Oh, so now you are attacking another poster to get at me because you think I am on the same "side" instead of a discussion based upon reality?
This empty ideologically motivated shit of dismissing an energy source merely because the party donors have another is annoying, depressing and makes you look like a complete and utter idiot.
So why keep on acting out the juvenile bullshit? BTW - what sort of background do you have, the bit about models having nothing to do with science implies very limited contact with anything practical so I'm curious as to how such a thing can come about. Political staffer or something? Accountant? How did you get so insular?
That was needed because the FBI at the time was corrupt but Capone had not thought of bribing the IRS. Others such as the scientologists have taken care of that angle as well as the law enforcement angle.
According to his user number he was born yesterday
A real name as a login is a bit of a major clue for that as well.
Why do kids do that today?
Unless you are a public figure that treats stuff you write here as carefully as a press release it is a very bad move to use your real name as a login.
You are confusing the method with the madness:) Bitcoin-like management of and existing currency is a concept which is why analogies of debit cards etc are being rolled out.
Bullshit is bullshit no matter what argument it is meant to support. Please keep that in mind. No matter what the benefits are of one thing it is very annoying when falsehoods are used to make other things appear far more inferior than they are to skew a comparison. Go ask a high school kids about a weather map and photos of cloud cover to get an idea of how you have reached deep into the realm of the ridiculous in the hope of forcibly pushing a point of view.
We have an energy mix for a reason. Those arguing for a monoculture are in my opinion either selling something or deluded fanboys.
Arguing against a distributed power network with situations that depend on the generation happening in one place (one dimensional thinking) indicate either trying to put something over on the ignorant and gullible or being ignorant and gullible yourself. I don't think I should walk past attempts to convince people via silly little verbal shell games to abandon technology for purely empty ideological reasons.
I keep forgetting that a popular high school team game for some people was to try to convince people of something that was not true - they called that debating as well. This is supposed to be a technical discussion site not politics, conspiracy theories or a recruiting ground to brainwash the gullible with lies.
So fluid mechanics is junk now? Did you not take science in high school due to too much mass debating or political bullshit?
I will accept your personal attacks as surrender of the topic
Since you started with an attack demeaning to everyone involved with science and engineering you are being a hypocrite playing that card. Poor little put upon liar getting called out on the lies and deliberate manipulation of readers here for ideological purposes - how sad. It's tough when a confidence trickster has to take responsiblity for their actions.
The fact is that model driven science is junk science
True - since your "authority" is a guy in politics when the topic is science. How about you write something you actually know about. It would be interesting to read how someone with technical interests became a science denier. We expect it from crystal healing anti-vaxxers but your story appears to be different - how did it happen? Were you frightened by Steven Hawking as a child?
An unexpected cloud that covers and entire continental grid? We'd better put something in space to spot things like that. Maybe we can put the pictures from that on TV every night as a side benefit. Sarcasm aside, please stop discussing this in a one dimensional manner. Power is generated at multiple points in a grid since it's not 1920. The tiny unit sizes of solar mean that losing output on a few has far less impact than a 500MW unit dropping out which is the sort of thing grids have to deal with on a regular basis (far too regular with some aging units out there).
but having to build out 2-3 times the needed capacity
We do that and more already. Peak loads are a pain, seasonal ones that may not come up every year more so.
However, powering everything when the wind is not blowing
Go ask a small child to show you a weather map and try to think in more than one dimension. It staggers me that an argument that depends on having windmills in one place is still argued by adults. I don't even like windmills, I'm from the coal and oil industry and used to work in coal fired power stations, but some things are just too ridiculous to be put up as a serious argument.
I think the idea is that the others will gradually be moved to backup the solar and wind generation.
No. While it may seem desirable to do so the reality is that thermal units (coal, nuclear and some others) take time to be brought on line so perform best when used continually. Attempting to do otherwise drives fuel costs through the roof and dramatically reduces the life of the units. Think about how much expansion you get by changing the temperature of a steel tube by 600C to get an idea of why things like thermal fatigue kill units that are run intermittently.
Some gas fired units are a different story but they are small and expensive to run per MWh unless the gas price has hit rock bottom.
All it takes is cheap power storage
The point is to follow demand and storage is always a loss. We talk about storage a lot now because there is a lot of "base load" generation overnight that only gets usage due to encouragement such as lower prices. With less capacity that is best run whether it's actually needed or not there is less requirement for storage. Why store and throw energy away from losses when you can match the demand?
It turns out that if you spread of lot of little generating sources around the consequences of failure of a single unit are less than large ones with major dependencies and network bottlenecks. Does that help? Are you looking for such a simple and honest answer based on education and experience or are you just playing some sort of debate game?
Cheaper batteries and continued price gouging by utilities are likely to make it become more common instead of less. Expect a trend of a lot of people going off grid if the Tesla battery factory lives up to the hype.
renewables get many times the subsidy of conventional sources if you calculate it on a per MWH basis
That's true, you can win if you move the goalposts over the top of the ball.
Meanwhile in the real world we have really fucked up by inventing the stuff then giving almost the entire solar game away to China for ideological reasons. What's wrong with a bit of help to give Americans a bit of an opportunity to get into the market and stop all the money from going offshore?
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You put up with the screed of models having nothing to do with science - did you expect such a stupid luddite pile of shit to go unanswered?
Oh, so now you are attacking another poster to get at me because you think I am on the same "side" instead of a discussion based upon reality?
This empty ideologically motivated shit of dismissing an energy source merely because the party donors have another is annoying, depressing and makes you look like a complete and utter idiot.
So why keep on acting out the juvenile bullshit?
BTW - what sort of background do you have, the bit about models having nothing to do with science implies very limited contact with anything practical so I'm curious as to how such a thing can come about. Political staffer or something? Accountant? How did you get so insular?
That was needed because the FBI at the time was corrupt but Capone had not thought of bribing the IRS.
Others such as the scientologists have taken care of that angle as well as the law enforcement angle.
A real name as a login is a bit of a major clue for that as well.
Why do kids do that today?
Unless you are a public figure that treats stuff you write here as carefully as a press release it is a very bad move to use your real name as a login.
I do not wish to be a professional liar so keep your mass debating to yourself.
Who wrote that complete and utter lie? Are you quoting a hairdresser now?
You are confusing the method with the madness :)
Bitcoin-like management of and existing currency is a concept which is why analogies of debit cards etc are being rolled out.
Wifi on the other hand. I get more than three days run time on my slightly aged phone with wifi off and less than a day with it on.
Bullshit is bullshit no matter what argument it is meant to support. Please keep that in mind. No matter what the benefits are of one thing it is very annoying when falsehoods are used to make other things appear far more inferior than they are to skew a comparison.
Go ask a high school kids about a weather map and photos of cloud cover to get an idea of how you have reached deep into the realm of the ridiculous in the hope of forcibly pushing a point of view.
We have an energy mix for a reason. Those arguing for a monoculture are in my opinion either selling something or deluded fanboys.
Arguing against a distributed power network with situations that depend on the generation happening in one place (one dimensional thinking) indicate either trying to put something over on the ignorant and gullible or being ignorant and gullible yourself.
I don't think I should walk past attempts to convince people via silly little verbal shell games to abandon technology for purely empty ideological reasons.
So those people out of work did not lose their jobs?
Of course it's real. Try reading a newspaper instead of making things up.
That number is actually totally irrelevant since it comes from when the grid requires a bit of extra input so a windmill is brought on line.
I keep forgetting that a popular high school team game for some people was to try to convince people of something that was not true - they called that debating as well.
This is supposed to be a technical discussion site not politics, conspiracy theories or a recruiting ground to brainwash the gullible with lies.
So fluid mechanics is junk now? Did you not take science in high school due to too much mass debating or political bullshit?
Since you started with an attack demeaning to everyone involved with science and engineering you are being a hypocrite playing that card.
Poor little put upon liar getting called out on the lies and deliberate manipulation of readers here for ideological purposes - how sad. It's tough when a confidence trickster has to take responsiblity for their actions.
So fluid mechanics is junk now?
Spot on - liars and people who are such assholes that they will call out a liar.
True - since your "authority" is a guy in politics when the topic is science.
How about you write something you actually know about. It would be interesting to read how someone with technical interests became a science denier. We expect it from crystal healing anti-vaxxers but your story appears to be different - how did it happen? Were you frightened by Steven Hawking as a child?
Assuming the FBI is privy to the NSA's capabilities.
No problem, just subcontract it via China since they will be privy to the NSA's capabilities.
Did you people really think a private contractor in Hawaii was likely to be the only leak from that bunch of toy soldiers?
We are discussing small distributed units on the solar/wind/etc side so please try again with something that applies.
An unexpected cloud that covers and entire continental grid? We'd better put something in space to spot things like that. Maybe we can put the pictures from that on TV every night as a side benefit.
Sarcasm aside, please stop discussing this in a one dimensional manner. Power is generated at multiple points in a grid since it's not 1920. The tiny unit sizes of solar mean that losing output on a few has far less impact than a 500MW unit dropping out which is the sort of thing grids have to deal with on a regular basis (far too regular with some aging units out there).
We do that and more already. Peak loads are a pain, seasonal ones that may not come up every year more so.
Go ask a small child to show you a weather map and try to think in more than one dimension. It staggers me that an argument that depends on having windmills in one place is still argued by adults. I don't even like windmills, I'm from the coal and oil industry and used to work in coal fired power stations, but some things are just too ridiculous to be put up as a serious argument.
No.
While it may seem desirable to do so the reality is that thermal units (coal, nuclear and some others) take time to be brought on line so perform best when used continually. Attempting to do otherwise drives fuel costs through the roof and dramatically reduces the life of the units. Think about how much expansion you get by changing the temperature of a steel tube by 600C to get an idea of why things like thermal fatigue kill units that are run intermittently.
Some gas fired units are a different story but they are small and expensive to run per MWh unless the gas price has hit rock bottom.
The point is to follow demand and storage is always a loss. We talk about storage a lot now because there is a lot of "base load" generation overnight that only gets usage due to encouragement such as lower prices. With less capacity that is best run whether it's actually needed or not there is less requirement for storage. Why store and throw energy away from losses when you can match the demand?
It turns out that if you spread of lot of little generating sources around the consequences of failure of a single unit are less than large ones with major dependencies and network bottlenecks.
Does that help? Are you looking for such a simple and honest answer based on education and experience or are you just playing some sort of debate game?
Cheaper batteries and continued price gouging by utilities are likely to make it become more common instead of less. Expect a trend of a lot of people going off grid if the Tesla battery factory lives up to the hype.
Do you replace your car every year? No? Then it's a pretty stupidly narrow constraint isn't it?
That's true, you can win if you move the goalposts over the top of the ball.
Meanwhile in the real world we have really fucked up by inventing the stuff then giving almost the entire solar game away to China for ideological reasons. What's wrong with a bit of help to give Americans a bit of an opportunity to get into the market and stop all the money from going offshore?