Do I have to give English lessons? It's annoying paperwork they may not want to do, but they know it's a very good idea so they do it anyway. It's just like not wanting to brush your teeth.
WTF is your issue? The original question (go on, look it up, the words and thread hasn't changed) was "how to enable permanent swap" . The answer was, and still is, set the correct level of swappiness for the swap
"swapon" is the correct answer, yours is an answer to a different question (that was not asked) about tuning it.
Your failure to understand and conflation of "I dinna calculate RAM demand" with "lucky I have swap" is your own problem. Have you heard of planning?
You really are pushing that "did you think my tech creds are playing video games?" line pretty hard aren't you? Obviously swap is part of planning for when more RAM gets used than you have calculated - stop acting like you got all your tech skillz from playing video games and try wandering back to reality.
Grow the fuck up. What are you, 16?
So says the guy who led with the platform hate attack and followed with the weirdness about systems turned off. What is your game here? Why go rabid over little quotes from linux memory management for newbies?
Yes I have dumbed things down a lot with each post since you have had so much trouble working out what I have written. I don't think I can dumb things down far enough for you one dimensional race card boy.
the answer is have a swap partition/file and set swappiness.
Which is why I can't understand the bile of "Your Windows "knowledge"" and the deliberate stupidity about powered off systems when I made a few short comments right out of linux memory management for newbies. Did you get me mixed up with another poster or were you looking for a fight? What was so deeply offensive about "If the system knows it has swap it will eventually use it unless you tell it not to"?
did you think my tech creds are playing video games?
Considering you wrote "Your Windows "knowledge" does not translate" to me, and your deliberate stupidity with the powered off thing how do you think it looks? On topic again, back when SSDs had very short read-write lifetimes it was a bad idea to use them for swap. The world has moved on but some tech journalists etc got left behind, as probably did the bargain basement VPS deals too. Just because it's a cheap deal doesn't mean it's a good idea if you want stuff to stay up.
THAT'S IT! The rest, should be left to each state.
That's the bit that always confused me about libertarians until I finally found out that by government they always mean Federal. Good luck with your 13 colonies and King George running the military - worked so well last time. I've got no idea why you people want to get rid of the best thing the USA has going for it.
From elsewhere the term just makes whoever uses it look like an inbred idiot anyway and I've given up trying to work out what it actually means in English. Which part of the USA does that slang come from anyway? Is that odd sounding insult a withdrawal symptom from not being able to use the other "N" word?
Considering Senator Peter T. King (New York) proudly supported the IRA (including financially) when it was blowing up people in England and he's a prominent member of that committee things are ridiculous.
Pilots don't want to use checklists either, but they put up with it because the checklists are written by other pilots and not HR folk, administrators or medical students given a task because everyone else is too busy. It is slowly happening in some areas (trauma medicine) because it's being done well and being rejected in others because it is not.
More petty bullying and an empty bluff. If you had tried a bit harder in school it's possible that I could have taught you some engineering subjects in the 1990s before I went back into industry. Funny how you keep on going on about reality and defy it at every step.
It appears your statement of "The claimed advantages of launching deep in the Southern Hemisphere are bunk" is dependant on Russia giving up on space entirely leaving no options for other players to get stuff to the ISS or descendants. That's a very idiotic assumption in my opinion and explains why you've been growling and flailing about like a dying beast.
With respect, it's reducing the chance of outages at the cost of some possible slight lifetime loss on the SSD and has nothing at all to do with saving on RAM because sometimes things go wrong and whatever RAM you have is never enough. That's why whatever tech journalist who fed you the line about your mythical industry default is incorrect. Some people do it but the downsides are too great for it to be widespread.
Lennart is professional programmer who has had great success. You sound jealous
Yes to the first, but why did we have to be subjected to them for so long when they were still alpha quality? The second, no, I took a different path so cannot compare myself to him even when he's done stuff I would have considered utterly stupid at the age he did it at despite not being so much of a professional programmer. Pulseaudio mostly works, which is about what you can say about computer audio on most platforms so that's a shining success. NetworkManager is a good fit for laptops, servers not so much but apart from odd glitches it works, which is more than can be said for MS networking so it's a success. Systemd - still not as good as what it is meant to replace and the non-professional bits of Lennart's behaviour mean it's deployed where it shouldn't be and many valid bug reports are discarded as if they are irrelevant.
Do you have something reliable to back up that statement?
I've been using the ganglia monitoring suite on clusters for a bit over a decade and on several hundred occasions I have noted that eventually cached stuff ends up in swap even if there's still some free memory. It's part of what it is for, getting stuff out of the way so you've plenty of memory to use.
how the fuck will a swap file/partition get written to... if there's no power
WTF? Is this some sort of game where you NEED to win and are prepared to go beyond the far side of crazy to do so? If so just play with yourself and leave me out of it since I'm having a discussion not a game.
The default setup for modern Linux servers running on SSD (of which there are millions in production use) is no swap files or partitions.
It has always been an option and not bad for desktops but the default on servers - no that's just stupid since swap is often the difference between eventually getting something done or a complete crash leading to possibly hours of downtime.
The Russians HAVE to because they do not have control over a lower latitude launch location does not make it an advantage, it makes high latitude launch locations (& thus ISS orbital inclination) a necessary evil
Which then OBVIOUSLY means that if you are going to keep sending stuff to that location for years on end then there is a NEED for such launch sites. Did I use small enough words or should I try again? Which race card are you going to play next as a distraction to hide your lack of understanding of this topic that makes my limited understanding look like expertise?
Clearly your "The claimed advantages of launching "deep in the Southern Hemisphere" are bunk" is bullshit because you have descended to aggression, name calling and playing the race card on someone merely asking you a question to avoid answering it.
I think I get it. I think you know so little about the topic that you didn't know about non-equatorial orbits and didn't know the ISS, the thing most rockets are going to recently, is in one. All this aggression is just to try to cover that up. It won't be hard to prove that wrong - just answer the question if you can. It's looking very much like you can't and that some computer network guy with a one dimensional understanding of orbits is bluffing to try to look important when nobody cares whether you really know your shit or not so long as you are honest about it.
NetworkManager, PulseAudio and systemd were internal Red Hat projects run by a guy called Lennart who will tell you that they are all far better than linux itself, which he would apparently have done himself only far better if he was only a little bit older. Red Hat didn't pick them from a list, they did them and were stuck with them. The others were surrounded by the most noise.
you keep mistaking my popping your pie in the sky bubbles for ranting
Considering that I don't give a shit either way about rocket labs and have barely heard of them there is clearly no mistake. Are you going to keep on attempting pathetic bullying or are you going to back up or abandon your words above? Let's hear something that actually justifies your rubbishing of my mostly forgotten classes in orbital mechanics. Are you going to answer or do I just file you under clueless windbag who knows fuckall about the topic and just likes to verbally attack strangers?
So your mention of Argentina was a setup for your current avoidance tactic, so little trap in some game or something? How weird. As should be obvious by now I'm only on this thread to get some clarification of this statement:
The claimed advantages of launching "deep in the Southern Hemisphere" are bunk.
You've given me nothing to support that. I didn't mention the RL's Electron - you did as an avoidance tactic.
Are you someone who is prepared to back up their statements or are you just a fool shouting into the darkness attacking anyone who asks the meaning of what you are shouting about?
"the only bit of the question that actually matters"
Since I'm the one that asked the question what is wrong with that? I'm not dragging you away from some sort of prepared script, I'm asking you what you meant by the quoted words above.
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Quote it to me.
Do I have to give English lessons? It's annoying paperwork they may not want to do, but they know it's a very good idea so they do it anyway. It's just like not wanting to brush your teeth.
"swapon" is the correct answer, yours is an answer to a different question (that was not asked) about tuning it.
You really are pushing that "did you think my tech creds are playing video games?" line pretty hard aren't you?
Obviously swap is part of planning for when more RAM gets used than you have calculated - stop acting like you got all your tech skillz from playing video games and try wandering back to reality.
So says the guy who led with the platform hate attack and followed with the weirdness about systems turned off. What is your game here? Why go rabid over little quotes from linux memory management for newbies?
Yes I have dumbed things down a lot with each post since you have had so much trouble working out what I have written.
I don't think I can dumb things down far enough for you one dimensional race card boy.
Which is why I can't understand the bile of "Your Windows "knowledge"" and the deliberate stupidity about powered off systems when I made a few short comments right out of linux memory management for newbies. Did you get me mixed up with another poster or were you looking for a fight?
What was so deeply offensive about "If the system knows it has swap it will eventually use it unless you tell it not to"?
Considering you wrote "Your Windows "knowledge" does not translate" to me, and your deliberate stupidity with the powered off thing how do you think it looks?
On topic again, back when SSDs had very short read-write lifetimes it was a bad idea to use them for swap. The world has moved on but some tech journalists etc got left behind, as probably did the bargain basement VPS deals too. Just because it's a cheap deal doesn't mean it's a good idea if you want stuff to stay up.
That's the bit that always confused me about libertarians until I finally found out that by government they always mean Federal.
Good luck with your 13 colonies and King George running the military - worked so well last time. I've got no idea why you people want to get rid of the best thing the USA has going for it.
From elsewhere the term just makes whoever uses it look like an inbred idiot anyway and I've given up trying to work out what it actually means in English. Which part of the USA does that slang come from anyway? Is that odd sounding insult a withdrawal symptom from not being able to use the other "N" word?
Considering Senator Peter T. King (New York) proudly supported the IRA (including financially) when it was blowing up people in England and he's a prominent member of that committee things are ridiculous.
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Pilots don't want to use checklists either, but they put up with it because the checklists are written by other pilots and not HR folk, administrators or medical students given a task because everyone else is too busy.
It is slowly happening in some areas (trauma medicine) because it's being done well and being rejected in others because it is not.
Turning up while sick is not good at getting the job done but it keeps them in a job.
You said useless and disproved it yourself when you remembered that orbits other than equatorial ones are used.
More petty bullying and an empty bluff. If you had tried a bit harder in school it's possible that I could have taught you some engineering subjects in the 1990s before I went back into industry.
Funny how you keep on going on about reality and defy it at every step.
In terms of getting into those orbitals, yes.
It appears your statement of "The claimed advantages of launching deep in the Southern Hemisphere are bunk" is dependant on Russia giving up on space entirely leaving no options for other players to get stuff to the ISS or descendants. That's a very idiotic assumption in my opinion and explains why you've been growling and flailing about like a dying beast.
With respect, it's reducing the chance of outages at the cost of some possible slight lifetime loss on the SSD and has nothing at all to do with saving on RAM because sometimes things go wrong and whatever RAM you have is never enough. That's why whatever tech journalist who fed you the line about your mythical industry default is incorrect. Some people do it but the downsides are too great for it to be widespread.
Yes to the first, but why did we have to be subjected to them for so long when they were still alpha quality? The second, no, I took a different path so cannot compare myself to him even when he's done stuff I would have considered utterly stupid at the age he did it at despite not being so much of a professional programmer.
Pulseaudio mostly works, which is about what you can say about computer audio on most platforms so that's a shining success. NetworkManager is a good fit for laptops, servers not so much but apart from odd glitches it works, which is more than can be said for MS networking so it's a success. Systemd - still not as good as what it is meant to replace and the non-professional bits of Lennart's behaviour mean it's deployed where it shouldn't be and many valid bug reports are discarded as if they are irrelevant.
I've been using the ganglia monitoring suite on clusters for a bit over a decade and on several hundred occasions I have noted that eventually cached stuff ends up in swap even if there's still some free memory. It's part of what it is for, getting stuff out of the way so you've plenty of memory to use.
WTF? Is this some sort of game where you NEED to win and are prepared to go beyond the far side of crazy to do so? If so just play with yourself and leave me out of it since I'm having a discussion not a game.
It has always been an option and not bad for desktops but the default on servers - no that's just stupid since swap is often the difference between eventually getting something done or a complete crash leading to possibly hours of downtime.
Which then OBVIOUSLY means that if you are going to keep sending stuff to that location for years on end then there is a NEED for such launch sites. Did I use small enough words or should I try again? Which race card are you going to play next as a distraction to hide your lack of understanding of this topic that makes my limited understanding look like expertise?
No you failed at that due to a series of assumptions that had nothing at all to do with my question - transparent avoidance tactics.
Trying the race card TWICE?
Clearly your "The claimed advantages of launching "deep in the Southern Hemisphere" are bunk" is bullshit because you have descended to aggression, name calling and playing the race card on someone merely asking you a question to avoid answering it.
I think I get it. I think you know so little about the topic that you didn't know about non-equatorial orbits and didn't know the ISS, the thing most rockets are going to recently, is in one. All this aggression is just to try to cover that up.
It won't be hard to prove that wrong - just answer the question if you can. It's looking very much like you can't and that some computer network guy with a one dimensional understanding of orbits is bluffing to try to look important when nobody cares whether you really know your shit or not so long as you are honest about it.
NetworkManager, PulseAudio and systemd were internal Red Hat projects run by a guy called Lennart who will tell you that they are all far better than linux itself, which he would apparently have done himself only far better if he was only a little bit older. Red Hat didn't pick them from a list, they did them and were stuck with them.
The others were surrounded by the most noise.
Considering that I don't give a shit either way about rocket labs and have barely heard of them there is clearly no mistake. Are you going to keep on attempting pathetic bullying or are you going to back up or abandon your words above? Let's hear something that actually justifies your rubbishing of my mostly forgotten classes in orbital mechanics. Are you going to answer or do I just file you under clueless windbag who knows fuckall about the topic and just likes to verbally attack strangers?
As should be obvious by now I'm only on this thread to get some clarification of this statement:
You've given me nothing to support that. I didn't mention the RL's Electron - you did as an avoidance tactic.
Are you someone who is prepared to back up their statements or are you just a fool shouting into the darkness attacking anyone who asks the meaning of what you are shouting about?
Since I'm the one that asked the question what is wrong with that? I'm not dragging you away from some sort of prepared script, I'm asking you what you meant by the quoted words above.