> vi assumes the HJKL keys will be right next to each other. If they aren't anymore, then vi is no longer as fast for me.
I always found that reprogramming the keyboard was harder than remapping functions in an editor. And if you are using vile, vim, or another open/free software clone of vi, you can easily hardwire different keystrokes.
The biggest problem with remapping keyboards in my opinion is that you end up with something non-standard. That's ok if you always use your own computer, but not fine if you have to use other peoples keyboards as well. I already get annoyed if I go from a type5 keyboard to a PC one; let alone have to go from a personalized layout back to QWERTY.
> I don't know what little Universe you are living in, but for people on a limited budget, Solaris is not anywhere near the same cost as far as hardware goes. Solaris is pig dog slow on Intel stuff compared to Linux.
People on a limited budget are probably not looking at Oracle anyway. And whether or not Solaris is slow on Intel stuff is irrelevant. You would want to run Solaris on Sun hardware.
I'd go for Solaris. Reliable hardware, reliable OS, 64 bits, and scalable up to 64 CPUs. Oracle might still be 32 bits, but Sybase has a 64 bit server (supposedly supporting up to something like 4 TB of RAM), and I can't imagine it takes long before Oracle has a 64 bit version as well.
> can anyone guess what would happen if M$ where to run the test query 10 mins before anybody comes through the door - and then runs it again having done nothing in the meantime.
If M$ manages to cache 1 Tb of data using a $600.000 solution, I'd be very impressed.
-- Abigail
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You go and write a working kernel from scratch sometimes.
Even if you succeed in 5 years, Linus already did. How long has FSF been working on their kernel?
> The fact that someone else out of sheer luck could have decided to develop what was needed in the absence of FSF can not be used to dimish their role.
I am not dimishing their role. However, to follow your analogy, physics wouldn't have stopped advancing if Newton had died as a toddler.
> Reinventing a *massive* codebase is wheel-spinning.
So what? Being dependent on one code base is bad. Choice is good. Just because something is GPL-ed, or has an FSF stamp on it doesn't mean other alternatives can't be better (for whatever value of better you prefer; what's better for one can mean worse for someone else).
Why the fuck should Tom write some code *you* need? Write your own code. Come back by the time your contribution to the software community is as large as Tom's.
-- Abigail
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rlk wrote:
> And I suspect that if one looks at the core --/bin,/usr/bin, libc and such.
While I'll grant you that libc is a major effort, one should realize that/bin and/usr/bin are filled with trivial programs. Not all of them, but most of them.
-- Abigail
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Jon Peterson wrote:
> It's probably fair to say that if the FSF had never written a line of code, Linux would not exist, whereas if one of the other contributers (except Linus, obviously) had not written their code, someone else would have filled their place.
That's silly. The FSF isn't the only initiative to write free software. If there hadn't been GNU tools, Linus might have used BSD based tools. Some other group of people would have written a C compiler.
It's absurd to assume free/open tools wouldn't be available if there wasn't FSF/GNU.
> I love linux, but cannot find an ISP that will give me the same kind of access that I can get under Windows.
Huh? What else than PPP (or SLIP), and some standard TCP/IP and UPD/IP servers do you need? Or can you find only ISPs whose DNS server refuses to talk to non-Windows machines? That would be a silly hack....
Kaisyain suggests keeping track of IP addresses. But that would only work if ISPs cooperate. How else are you going to track down the several million of AOL customers going through a handful of proxies? And ISPs do not want to do this; doing this would mean they agree they are responsible for what their customers do. Unlike for instance phone companies, or the US postal service. You can't sue AT&T because someone phoned someone else and slandered. You can't sue the US postal service because you send an illegal copy of a book by mail.
A few years ago, the Church of Scientology sued half of the ISP's in the Netherlands, because they claimed they were responsible for their customers putting up websites with text the Co$ claimed to have copyright on. The court ruled that the ISPs cannot be held responsible - they are just couriers. An ISP might be held responsible if it can be proven one of their customers commits a crime, and the ISP doesn't react.
The law in the US is of course different. It would certainly be interesting to know how the court will rule in this case. I hope the court will rule yahoo cannot be held responsible.
> Gwydion Dylan has a nice Perl-compatible regexp library. Also in Dylan, methods can return more than one value.
So what? It has a compatible regexp library, and it returns more than one value from a method just like Perl. All I've been hearing about this Dylan are a handful of things it does the same as Perl.
If you want to promote Dylan, come up with something it does *different* from Perl. Perhaps you can think of something that it does better; but considering what you've written so far, I doubt there's anything.
You are wrong. Twice. First, the Artistic License is much freeer than the viral GPL. Second, Perl *is* distributed with the GPL. If you want to use Perl, you can do that under either GPL, or the Artistic License. It's *your* choice.
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Dundar Thelnept wrote:
> vi assumes the HJKL keys will be right next to each other. If they aren't anymore, then vi is no longer as fast for me.
I always found that reprogramming the keyboard was harder than remapping functions in an editor. And if you are using vile, vim, or another open/free software clone of vi, you can easily hardwire different keystrokes.
The biggest problem with remapping keyboards in my opinion is that you end up with something non-standard. That's ok if you always use your own computer, but not fine if you have to use other peoples keyboards as well. I already get annoyed if I go from a type5 keyboard to a PC one; let alone have to go from a personalized layout back to QWERTY.
-- Abigail
Kestrel wrote:
> I don't know what little Universe you are living in, but for people on a limited budget, Solaris is not anywhere near the same cost as far as hardware goes. Solaris is pig dog slow on Intel stuff compared to Linux.
People on a limited budget are probably not looking at Oracle anyway. And whether or not Solaris is slow on Intel stuff is irrelevant. You would want to run Solaris on Sun hardware.
I'd go for Solaris. Reliable hardware, reliable OS, 64 bits, and scalable up to 64 CPUs. Oracle might still be 32 bits, but Sybase has a 64 bit server (supposedly supporting up to something like 4 TB of RAM), and I can't imagine it takes long before Oracle has a 64 bit version as well.
-- Abigail
> Who TF can even afford the Sun machine they tested on??
Banks. I know banks that have bought 5 E10k's for over $50M, just to run Sybase and one suit of applications. (That of course includes the standby's)
-- Abigail
> can anyone guess what would happen if M$ where to run the test query 10 mins before anybody comes through the door - and then runs it again having done nothing in the meantime.
If M$ manages to cache 1 Tb of data using a
$600.000 solution, I'd be very impressed.
-- Abigail
You go and write a working kernel from scratch sometimes.
Even if you succeed in 5 years, Linus already did. How long has FSF been working on their kernel?
-- Abigail
I'm not demanding an FSF-free Linux.
I don't even use Linux....
-- Abigail
Pac wrote:
> The fact that someone else out of sheer luck could have decided to develop what was needed in the absence of FSF can not be used to dimish their role.
I am not dimishing their role. However, to follow your analogy, physics wouldn't have stopped advancing if Newton had died as a toddler.
-- Abigail
MoxCamel wrote:
> Reinventing a *massive* codebase is wheel-spinning.
So what? Being dependent on one code base is bad.
Choice is good. Just because something is GPL-ed, or has an FSF stamp on it doesn't mean other alternatives can't be better (for whatever value of better you prefer; what's better for one can mean worse for someone else).
-- Abigail
AC wrote:
> Shut up and write some code that we _need_,
Why the fuck should Tom write some code *you* need? Write your own code. Come back by the time your contribution to the software community is as large as Tom's.
-- Abigail
rlk wrote:
/bin, /usr/bin, libc and such.
/bin and /usr/bin are filled with trivial programs. Not all of them, but most of them.
> And I suspect that if one looks at the core --
While I'll grant you that libc is a major effort, one should realize that
-- Abigail
Jon Peterson wrote:
> It's probably fair to say that if the FSF had never written a line of code, Linux would not exist, whereas if one of the other contributers (except Linus, obviously) had not written their code, someone else would have filled their place.
That's silly. The FSF isn't the only initiative to write free software. If there hadn't been GNU tools, Linus might have used BSD based tools. Some other group of people would have written a C compiler.
It's absurd to assume free/open tools wouldn't be available if there wasn't FSF/GNU.
-- Abigail
> I love linux, but cannot find an ISP that will give me the same kind of access that I can get under Windows.
Huh? What else than PPP (or SLIP), and some standard TCP/IP and UPD/IP servers do you need? Or can you find only ISPs whose DNS server refuses to talk to non-Windows machines? That would be a silly hack....
-- Abigail
Kurt Gray writes:
> Do not allow Anonymous Cowards post more than 3 comments.
And how are you going to count?
-- Abigail
Kaisyain suggests keeping track of IP addresses. But that would only work if ISPs cooperate. How else are you going to track down the several million of AOL customers going through a handful of proxies? And ISPs do not want to do this; doing this would mean they agree they are responsible for what their customers do. Unlike for instance phone companies, or the US postal service. You can't sue AT&T because someone phoned someone else and slandered. You can't sue the US postal service because you send an illegal copy of a book by mail.
A few years ago, the Church of Scientology sued half of the ISP's in the Netherlands, because they claimed they were responsible for their customers putting up websites with text the Co$ claimed to have copyright on. The court ruled that the ISPs cannot be held responsible - they are just couriers. An ISP might be held responsible if it can be proven one of their customers commits a crime, and the ISP doesn't react.
The law in the US is of course different. It would certainly be interesting to know how the court will rule in this case. I hope the court will rule yahoo cannot be held responsible.
-- Abigail
Griffjon wrote:
> Who will be the first to have sex in outer space?
That's another space race the Russians won. They did that long time ago.
-- Abigail
> Mars can house an independent, self-supporting branch of human civilization.
But what if red isn't your colour?
-- Abigail
Christopher wrote:
> By whom? The resulting software must be given away, not sold, so there will be very little in the way of revenue to pay you with.
You can still be paid to write the software. You're not paid for a copy of the software, just the service of writing it.
-- Abigail
> Natural languages tend to me messes too, especially English.
Yet four years old children master English better than most people master C, Java, Python, or Dylan.
-- Abigail
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> Gwydion Dylan has a nice Perl-compatible regexp library. Also in Dylan, methods can return more than one value.
So what? It has a compatible regexp library, and it returns more than one value from a method just like Perl. All I've been hearing about this Dylan are a handful of things it does the same as Perl.
If you want to promote Dylan, come up with something it does *different* from Perl. Perhaps you can think of something that it does better; but considering what you've written so far, I doubt there's anything.
Is there a CDAN?
-- Abigail
You are wrong. Twice. First, the Artistic License is much freeer than the viral GPL. Second, Perl *is* distributed with the GPL. If you want to use Perl, you can do that under either GPL, or the Artistic License. It's *your* choice.
-- Abigail