As far as I know, the Phil Jones affair was/completely/ overblown. What matters is how people acted, not how they expressed themselves in private emails. Try to articulate for yourself exactly what Phil Jones is accused of, and then read the context of the situation, and you will see that there is nothing substantive there at all.
I don't think there's a vast conspiracy among climate scientists, but the science was definitely politicized and oversold.
Trolling through 10 years of emails, and that is all you get -- from people trying to make the most unfavourable reading. This is just plain crazy.
Imagine getting really angry at someone, and then they say something short, after hours of listening to you harange them. Then you claim that the guy is hostile. That is what we are looking at here.
Why? It is the warmers who want us to spend trillions and accept a greatly lowered standard of living because of their claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and to date the warmers have none.
Interesting that you quote Sagan, who accepted climate science. There was consensus in the community by 1979, according to a NAS. Deniers just make a crap shoot of already discredited claims, and constantly shifting the bars of evidence. They are called deniers, because nothing will satisfy them. They cannot even make a coherent argument against what scientist say. It is all about having their way, and so far they have succeeded.
Meanwhile, humanity is still engaged in a huge geographcial experiment. Talk about irresponsible.
Violence is the last resort of the disempowered. Justice is said to belong to the courts -- a system that reduces violence in society a great deal. But if the courts fail...
When you talk everything away from someone, you eventually lose control over them, and then they turn on you.
Not saying that I support violence, but I *am* saying that we should consider a larger picture for why these things happen. That is, if you consider intelligence to be of some utility in preventing violent outbreaks from happening again.
It is very difficult to know what politicians really favour, because politics is the art of spin and backroom deals. It would be interesting to see what Obama got in return for going along with the Republicans, or if he got screwed because he was the weaker negotiator. Or he could really be a Republican trojan horse.
Now, we/did/ see Obama go up against the healthcare companies. So we know he believes in something.
You should really examine the confirmation bias before opening your mouth/ever/ again.
There are well accepted reasons for deficit spending. Bush/Cheney did it for no good reason other then getting the votes of jingoists and the elderly, and lining the pockets of big pharma. In eight years the created only 3 million jobs, the economy shrunk everywhere execpt the financial industry, and they dug a deep financial whole for when deficit spending was really necessary.
Bush's own treasurey secretary walked off the job in 2002. Heck, Bush himself admits that he is responssible for a lot of the current problems in the United States.
Not saying the Obama has a perfect record -- not by a long stretch -- but stop and smell the shit your shovelling.
My one main gripe with Republicans is their hipocracy over fiscal responsiblity. After Reagan, Bush H., and Bush W., it is amazing that anyone still believes it. At least the former two at the good sense to raise tax revenue.
Thanks to the confirmation bias, however, all these little drones run around talking about how fiscally irresponsible the Democrats are.
It is so bizarre that many women don't even realise that this is the case. They usually try to initiate somethine with one or two guys, get rejected, and then decide that guys don't like being approached. What they do not realise is that rejection is the rule when you approach someone. Women then tell each other that guys don't like being approached because it makes them feel insecure, and they like to be in control.
These is an unspoken chasm between the sexes, and I suspect nature intended it that way.
You have got to be kidding. The software patent system is a joke. Just what bizzaro planet do you live on.
In my entire life, I have *never* heard of a software developer going to a patent to find out how to do somthing.
Just what is the point of software patents anyway? Artificial barriers to entry that can be used as negotiating tools? Innovative bussines model for patent trolls? Job creation program for Lawyers?
This is so naive. The "students" you talk about are actually real students, and they are the chinese analogue of the tea-party. We have the human condition in common with the Chinese. Some people really believe in stuff, and a good indication is how fast their heart beats in there chest when you disagree with them.
You just made my point, but in a different way. Conformity is part of the human condition, and so is jingoism and authoritarianism. I believe that we should call them out for what they are.
Unions should not be thugs now -- and the GP's point was that Verizon's management may not be beyond a "false-flag" operation.
As for the equal-opportunity bigottory: "european americans" and "african americans" should both take steps to make sure institutionalised oppression is lessened over time. If you have no heart, then do it for pragmatic reasons.
Slashdot Mirror
As far as I know, the Phil Jones affair was /completely/ overblown. What matters is how people acted, not how they expressed themselves in private emails. Try to articulate for yourself exactly what Phil Jones is accused of, and then read the context of the situation, and you will see that there is nothing substantive there at all.
And for that reason, all of AGW is bunk. Climategate indeed.
What a joke.
wtf?
Almost 100%.
It can be attributed to human by looking at the relative concentrations of radioactive isotopes.
17% in 26 years is not 3%.
/sure/ you are right about everything to do with climate change.
Cognize this.
He lied, even if not intentionally.
As for the sensitivity of climate to CO2, that is a different issue. But consider this, a 50ng of botulinum will kill you.
But I am
Perhaps you should consider the fact that those coastal homes wont be flooding for 50 or more years.
I don't think there's a vast conspiracy among climate scientists, but the science was definitely politicized and oversold.
Trolling through 10 years of emails, and that is all you get -- from people trying to make the most unfavourable reading. This is just plain crazy.
Imagine getting really angry at someone, and then they say something short, after hours of listening to you harange them. Then you claim that the guy is hostile. That is what we are looking at here.
We NEED science
The scientists, as in the ones who actually do it, all agree with a very high level of fidelity. Something like 98%.
So... we need science, but the kind that produces the results you want to believe in? That is like Gobel's possition on free speech.
Why? It is the warmers who want us to spend trillions and accept a greatly lowered standard of living because of their claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and to date the warmers have none.
Interesting that you quote Sagan, who accepted climate science. There was consensus in the community by 1979, according to a NAS. Deniers just make a crap shoot of already discredited claims, and constantly shifting the bars of evidence. They are called deniers, because nothing will satisfy them. They cannot even make a coherent argument against what scientist say. It is all about having their way, and so far they have succeeded.
Meanwhile, humanity is still engaged in a huge geographcial experiment. Talk about irresponsible.
Science is NEVER settled
.
Scientist: "omg, the houes is burning down. Please save it."
Skeptic: "We don't quite know if it is burning at 749C or 749.5C, sorry, the science is settled yet.
Go home and smoke a hundred packets of cigarettes and die.
3%? Do you /really/ believe that?
Current estimates is about 392 ppm (as of 2011). It was 335 ppm in 1985. So that's at 17% increase in just 26 years.
I wonder how many "sceptics" will be fast and loose with the truth when responding to this article.
Violence is the last resort of the disempowered. Justice is said to belong to the courts -- a system that reduces violence in society a great deal. But if the courts fail...
When you talk everything away from someone, you eventually lose control over them, and then they turn on you.
Not saying that I support violence, but I *am* saying that we should consider a larger picture for why these things happen. That is, if you consider intelligence to be of some utility in preventing violent outbreaks from happening again.
so that means he must favor those things
It is very difficult to know what politicians really favour, because politics is the art of spin and backroom deals. It would be interesting to see what Obama got in return for going along with the Republicans, or if he got screwed because he was the weaker negotiator. Or he could really be a Republican trojan horse.
/did/ see Obama go up against the healthcare companies. So we know he believes in something.
Now, we
You should really examine the confirmation bias before opening your mouth /ever/ again.
There are well accepted reasons for deficit spending. Bush/Cheney did it for no good reason other then getting the votes of jingoists and the elderly, and lining the pockets of big pharma. In eight years the created only 3 million jobs, the economy shrunk everywhere execpt the financial industry, and they dug a deep financial whole for when deficit spending was really necessary.
Bush's own treasurey secretary walked off the job in 2002. Heck, Bush himself admits that he is responssible for a lot of the current problems in the United States.
Not saying the Obama has a perfect record -- not by a long stretch -- but stop and smell the shit your shovelling.
My one main gripe with Republicans is their hipocracy over fiscal responsiblity. After Reagan, Bush H., and Bush W., it is amazing that anyone still believes it. At least the former two at the good sense to raise tax revenue.
Thanks to the confirmation bias, however, all these little drones run around talking about how fiscally irresponsible the Democrats are.
It is so bizarre that many women don't even realise that this is the case. They usually try to initiate somethine with one or two guys, get rejected, and then decide that guys don't like being approached. What they do not realise is that rejection is the rule when you approach someone. Women then tell each other that guys don't like being approached because it makes them feel insecure, and they like to be in control.
These is an unspoken chasm between the sexes, and I suspect nature intended it that way.
So, the Left Wing is full of jingoists, and the Tea Party is full of people wanting to find peace in their lives.
Riiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt.
They should probably be more common
You have got to be kidding. The software patent system is a joke. Just what bizzaro planet do you live on.
In my entire life, I have *never* heard of a software developer going to a patent to find out how to do somthing.
Just what is the point of software patents anyway? Artificial barriers to entry that can be used as negotiating tools? Innovative bussines model for patent trolls? Job creation program for Lawyers?
This is so naive. The "students" you talk about are actually real students, and they are the chinese analogue of the tea-party. We have the human condition in common with the Chinese. Some people really believe in stuff, and a good indication is how fast their heart beats in there chest when you disagree with them.
You just made my point, but in a different way. Conformity is part of the human condition, and so is jingoism and authoritarianism. I believe that we should call them out for what they are.
While certainly the outcome is wildly different, that doesn't stop the mentality from being similar.
You mean, not conforming to existing power structures? You would have done well in Nazi Germany. Very conformist.
You know, there are some people out there who don't buy into the jingoist thing. Afterall, it is you guys that start most of the wars.
Also, learning Chinese will be essential in an engineering career.
I doubt that. After-all, you don't have to learn Japanese to be an engineer. And before that, you didn't have to learn German.
I am sure you will not get your healthcare plan back if Obamacare is repealed. I will not shed a tear for you if you vote Republican.
Why should the union benefit from non-union labor's productivity?
And precisely /how/ do you know that the profit is from non-union labor productivity? A wild guess? Thought so.
No and no.
Unions should not be thugs now -- and the GP's point was that Verizon's management may not be beyond a "false-flag" operation.
As for the equal-opportunity bigottory: "european americans" and "african americans" should both take steps to make sure institutionalised oppression is lessened over time. If you have no heart, then do it for pragmatic reasons.
Because the free market doesn't exist apart from politics, in the same way that politics doesn't exist apart from people.