It's not o.k. to do the same wrong onto people which those people have done onto you.
In this case, the people calling aren't even first checking to ensure that the telemarketer they're calling is one that's ever contacted them in the first place.
As I said to another slashdotter, if you're mugging someone because you believe they're in the habit of mugging others, or because you think they look like somebody who's mugged you in the past, I don't see where you've established the moral high ground.
Attacking these people's phone systems is just plain wrong.
I could come back with something on this but Dave allready did it so well, I'll just quote him: "Of course, you could use pretty much the same reasoning to argue that laws against mugging cause unemployment among muggers," he wrote. "But that would be unfair. Muggers rarely intrude into your home."
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that these are the telemarketers who've called you? Even once?
You want to mug somebody because you think they're in the habit of mugging others? I fail to see where you've established the moral high ground.
So, for every time a telemarketer calls, we are "allowed" to call back once. Publishing this phone number just allows us to extract this punishment.
Following your "logic", if telemarketers make 30 million calls a day (to individual people), they should expect to receive 30 million return calls. I think that should be sufficient to overwhelm their phonelines:-)
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that this is the telemarketer who's called you? Even once?
Actually, few passages in the Bible are as badly misunderstood as this one. The "eye for an eye" maxim is not about harshness; it's about proportional retribution.
Let me see if I can put it in context...
In ancient Palestine, offenses against one's honor were met with an escalating response. If someone stole one of your sheep, the manly thing to do was to go and kill five of his cows. If some careless bozo trampled a row of your corn with his ox-cart, you might go and set fire to his field. In other words, "teach 'em a lesson."
The eye-for-an-eye ethic put a lid on this escalating violence, insisting that punishment or restitution be proportional to the actual, demonstrable harm done, and that it not be determined by the rage of the party offended. For example, Leviticus 24:18 says, "And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast." The eye-for-an-eye principle placed rational limits on retribution and punishment.
Let's not. You're interfering with people's livelihoods here. And by expressing the desire to/. (DDOS) the phone network, you've just made it a crime.
Keep in mind that even if you block caller ID, when you call an 800 number, your number is still immediately available to the receiving party and is logged and provided as a list at the end of the month, even if they don't pick up.
If these folks decide to sue for this kind of activity, this wouldn't be the first suck suit filed and won.
Maybe we can simply get a dialing machine and have it call the telemarketers non-stop
In most every state, dialing machines are illegal except when used by non-profits -- this might even be federal law now. This is why the occasional commercial message you get from a dialing machine is usually "[Sleazy company who does this and offers this] is calling to be sure you know about some charity event! [Sleazy company continues pitch about their products]"
Good luck even finding a dialing machine, by the way. I don't think they're even being produced anymore, but rather being traded and sold second-hand. You'll see them go for upward of $10k on ebay now and again.
Oh come on here. I can see the immediate appeal of this kind of puerile action, but in the end you're just sinking to the telemarketers' level.
Dave has interfered with these people's ability to make a living. Indeed, he may well have cost a number of jobs with this article! At the end of the day, the innocent collateral damage is going to mean that many people don't eat because Dave went after another cheap laugh and went on the attack.
Do the ends justify the means? No. This is the kind of dangerous thinking that brings abortion clinic bombings, the ongoing fighting between northern and southern Ireland, the danger in the Middle East, and countless other bloodbaths.
Dave's had his fun and done his damage. Is this really something that needs to be worsened by giving ideas to the industrious- but idle-minded masses on slashdot? The damage can only be worsened here!
Laugh if you must, but sit back and don't make this any worse than it already is!
ok i was about to post a total troll/flamebait message...
Bless you.
I am turning the other cheek if you diddnt mean what you said... & if you actually meant what you said, yes, accept Jesus Christ as your Lord & Savior. Bless You All.
Sinner!!!
You turn the other cheek? You pretend this is an affront to Him, and then you turn the other cheek? You are not the Lord!
Even if you meant to turn it on his behalf, to pridefully state that this is what you are doing is to nullify the goodness in the action. James 4:6 declares "... God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
Be not proud. Be like a lamb unto Him, and He will guide you. But do not seek to guide others yourself, lest you lead them from the flock. Point to His word only.
And yes, I'm a Mormon, a member of a proselytizing religion. My aim is to save as many souls as I'm able and to spread the joy that is His word. Which of us seems the happier person without smoking his 420?
Look, J*h*v*h gave us the sun just like any other tool that we can exploit to our own advantage. I intend to make full use of it, when I have the resources to do so.
Show me where God mentions solar cells in his good book, and I will cede the argument.
The Lord didn't give us nuclear bombs either, though we've built them from His gifts.
The Lord gave all beasts unto man. If you'd read the bible, you would know this as it is in Genesis, the very first book.
No man can claim to be an atheist until he has read His word from cover to cover for he isn't an atheist, but merely ignorant. And I have yet to meet the man who still called himself an atheist after reading God's word, for the word of God is stronger than satan's draw.
Interesting. How does accepting Jesus fit into any of the quotes?
Please reread the parent. This was a reply to a sinful and emboldened proclamation of choosing hedonism over God's law. If you wish to accept Jesus into your heart, then God bless you! But that was not the content of this message.
You and the moderators both have shown an unwillingness to engage in intellectual debate.
My science and math can disprove your imaginings so fuck off!
Can your science create a universe from nothingness in seven days? The only science you need is the science of the Lord.
Can your math turn three loaves of break into enough to feed a thousand? The only math you need is the math of Jesus, your Savior.
These things are in the bible. Read the bible and the scales will fall away from your eyes. If only you knew how wretched you sounded! I wish I could reach out and embrace you, show you the wonders I and millions of other followers of Christ have come to witness!
BTW, I'm posting anonymously to avoid losing the karma
That you think God doesn't know who posted, you sorely misunderstand the breadth and depth of His powers. He is all-knowing, all-seeing, everywhere, in every one of us.
Please contact me out-of-band if you would like one of our representatives to visit you. It's nothing but a peaceful chat, and when we are done -- you will receive a complimentary copy of The Book of Mormon. It's never too late, and I'll call you friend for it.
Today is not a day for battling and puerile banter. And never is it a time to make jokes of parasites where He is concerned. If anything, we are parasites unto Him. For without Him, we are like so much dust. Without Him, we are not saved. Without Him, we are nothing.
So, according to you God doesn't mind us stinking up the planet with fossil fuels, but he objects to us using our God-given brains to figure out how to get energy directly from the Sun which He created? Funny, then, that He created trees, which employ a bunch of fancy chemistry in order to derive 100% of their required power from solar energy.
God also created the cow, which eats grass. And he made man the master of all beasts on land and in the sea, that we might use them for our needs. Man eats cow, but does cow eat man? Cows eat grass, but does that mean a man should eat grass?
No. God has not made man a grass eater. The natural order that is His law says that a cow eats grass, and a man eats cow. To try and remove the tree from the order is to usurp natural order in violation of His law.
Even at the risk of negative modding, I'll say that 'He' is BS to me and I'll use whatever power source I need to keep my computer running. No Him or Ra or He or Hades or other unproven believe of you or anyone else is gunna keep me from living how I want!!!
It's exactly this kind of hedonism that is pulling the most children away from the Church today. I've got a few scriptures I'd like you to read -- then ask yourself, is it really worth it? Is it okay to grab for myself without regard for natural law and His word? Is it better to select for convenience, or for life everlasting? I think the answer is clear.
Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves; do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. Philippians 2:3,4
Just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved. Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ. 1Corinthians 10:33,11:1
For I have no one else of kindred spirit who will genuinely be concerned for your welfare. For they all seek after their own interests, not those of Christ Jesus. Philippians 2:20,21
Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry. For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience, and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them. Colossians 3:5-7
Be devoted to one another in brotherly love; give preference to one another in honor; not lagging behind in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; Romans 12:10,11
What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures [hedone] that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures [hedone]. James 4:1-3
But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. (James 1:14,15)
For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures [hedone], spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. Titus 3:3
Let Jesus into your heart. Visit us on Glory Network Auspicious Achievements irc.efnet.net #gnaa and let God come unto you.
This is in danger of veering off topic, and I know I'm responding to a troll, but His word compels me even so...
Linux can be used for many things, just as a hammer can be used for many things. If a hammer is made of gold, and it is created to celebrate His glory, the hammer can still be used to sin. Strike a man dead, and the sin is no lesser for the use of His hammer than it would be for the most base and uncelebrated cudgel.
Nothing can save you from sin but His word. Accept Jesus into your heart and let your worry fade away.
well I kinda wondered about how it would work so well in NY cuz some buildings or in the shadow of others. Second, if this gets implemented and than a couple days of no sun pop up wouldn't it stress out the grid a bit more than normal
It's bound to fail eventually anyway. NY will be lucky not to even have the illusion of this working out. God's law does not permit the unnatural products of science. So long as this kind of power is the product of science and not His Will, I think we're pretty much going to have to stick to burning the timber, coal and fossil fuels He has given us.
A good man would write his power company to warn of a boycott should this sort of thing be deployed.
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In this case, the people calling aren't even first checking to ensure that the telemarketer they're calling is one that's ever contacted them in the first place.
As I said to another slashdotter, if you're mugging someone because you believe they're in the habit of mugging others, or because you think they look like somebody who's mugged you in the past, I don't see where you've established the moral high ground.
Attacking these people's phone systems is just plain wrong.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that these are the telemarketers who've called you? Even once?
You want to mug somebody because you think they're in the habit of mugging others? I fail to see where you've established the moral high ground.
and they have called all of us, so should we all cal them.
--from the b.b. king james bible fo the future.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that these are the telemarketers who've called you? Even once?
Following your "logic", if telemarketers make 30 million calls a day (to individual people), they should expect to receive 30 million return calls. I think that should be sufficient to overwhelm their phonelines :-)
Do you have any evidence whatsoever that this is the telemarketer who's called you? Even once?
Actually, few passages in the Bible are as badly misunderstood as this one. The "eye for an eye" maxim is not about harshness; it's about proportional retribution.
Let me see if I can put it in context...
In ancient Palestine, offenses against one's honor were met with an escalating response. If someone stole one of your sheep, the manly thing to do was to go and kill five of his cows. If some careless bozo trampled a row of your corn with his ox-cart, you might go and set fire to his field. In other words, "teach 'em a lesson."
The eye-for-an-eye ethic put a lid on this escalating violence, insisting that punishment or restitution be proportional to the actual, demonstrable harm done, and that it not be determined by the rage of the party offended. For example, Leviticus 24:18 says, "And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast." The eye-for-an-eye principle placed rational limits on retribution and punishment.
Let's not. You're interfering with people's livelihoods here. And by expressing the desire to /. (DDOS) the phone network, you've just made it a crime.
Keep in mind that even if you block caller ID, when you call an 800 number, your number is still immediately available to the receiving party and is logged and provided as a list at the end of the month, even if they don't pick up.
If these folks decide to sue for this kind of activity, this wouldn't be the first suck suit filed and won.
In most every state, dialing machines are illegal except when used by non-profits -- this might even be federal law now. This is why the occasional commercial message you get from a dialing machine is usually "[Sleazy company who does this and offers this] is calling to be sure you know about some charity event! [Sleazy company continues pitch about their products]"
Good luck even finding a dialing machine, by the way. I don't think they're even being produced anymore, but rather being traded and sold second-hand. You'll see them go for upward of $10k on ebay now and again.
Dave has interfered with these people's ability to make a living. Indeed, he may well have cost a number of jobs with this article! At the end of the day, the innocent collateral damage is going to mean that many people don't eat because Dave went after another cheap laugh and went on the attack.
Do the ends justify the means? No. This is the kind of dangerous thinking that brings abortion clinic bombings, the ongoing fighting between northern and southern Ireland, the danger in the Middle East, and countless other bloodbaths.
Dave's had his fun and done his damage. Is this really something that needs to be worsened by giving ideas to the industrious- but idle-minded masses on slashdot? The damage can only be worsened here!
Laugh if you must, but sit back and don't make this any worse than it already is!
You turn the other cheek? You pretend this is an affront to Him, and then you turn the other cheek? You are not the Lord!
Even if you meant to turn it on his behalf, to pridefully state that this is what you are doing is to nullify the goodness in the action. James 4:6 declares "... God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
Be not proud. Be like a lamb unto Him, and He will guide you. But do not seek to guide others yourself, lest you lead them from the flock. Point to His word only.
That's spelled you're.
And yes, I'm a Mormon, a member of a proselytizing religion. My aim is to save as many souls as I'm able and to spread the joy that is His word. Which of us seems the happier person without smoking his 420?
Show me where God mentions solar cells in his good book, and I will cede the argument.
The Lord didn't give us nuclear bombs either, though we've built them from His gifts.
No man can claim to be an atheist until he has read His word from cover to cover for he isn't an atheist, but merely ignorant. And I have yet to meet the man who still called himself an atheist after reading God's word, for the word of God is stronger than satan's draw.
Please reread the parent. This was a reply to a sinful and emboldened proclamation of choosing hedonism over God's law. If you wish to accept Jesus into your heart, then God bless you! But that was not the content of this message.
You and the moderators both have shown an unwillingness to engage in intellectual debate.
That's spelled MORMON, sir.
Can your science create a universe from nothingness in seven days? The only science you need is the science of the Lord.
Can your math turn three loaves of break into enough to feed a thousand? The only math you need is the math of Jesus, your Savior.
These things are in the bible. Read the bible and the scales will fall away from your eyes. If only you knew how wretched you sounded! I wish I could reach out and embrace you, show you the wonders I and millions of other followers of Christ have come to witness!
That you think God doesn't know who posted, you sorely misunderstand the breadth and depth of His powers. He is all-knowing, all-seeing, everywhere, in every one of us.
Please contact me out-of-band if you would like one of our representatives to visit you. It's nothing but a peaceful chat, and when we are done -- you will receive a complimentary copy of The Book of Mormon. It's never too late, and I'll call you friend for it.
Today is not a day for battling and puerile banter. And never is it a time to make jokes of parasites where He is concerned. If anything, we are parasites unto Him. For without Him, we are like so much dust. Without Him, we are not saved. Without Him, we are nothing.
God also created the cow, which eats grass. And he made man the master of all beasts on land and in the sea, that we might use them for our needs. Man eats cow, but does cow eat man? Cows eat grass, but does that mean a man should eat grass?
No. God has not made man a grass eater. The natural order that is His law says that a cow eats grass, and a man eats cow. To try and remove the tree from the order is to usurp natural order in violation of His law.
This can only lead to ruin.
It's exactly this kind of hedonism that is pulling the most children away from the Church today. I've got a few scriptures I'd like you to read -- then ask yourself, is it really worth it? Is it okay to grab for myself without regard for natural law and His word? Is it better to select for convenience, or for life everlasting? I think the answer is clear.
Let Jesus into your heart. Visit us on Glory Network Auspicious Achievements irc.efnet.net #gnaa and let God come unto you.
Linux can be used for many things, just as a hammer can be used for many things. If a hammer is made of gold, and it is created to celebrate His glory, the hammer can still be used to sin. Strike a man dead, and the sin is no lesser for the use of His hammer than it would be for the most base and uncelebrated cudgel.
Nothing can save you from sin but His word. Accept Jesus into your heart and let your worry fade away.
What has this to do with the story indeed...
It's not too late to accept Him into your heart.
It's bound to fail eventually anyway. NY will be lucky not to even have the illusion of this working out. God's law does not permit the unnatural products of science. So long as this kind of power is the product of science and not His Will, I think we're pretty much going to have to stick to burning the timber, coal and fossil fuels He has given us.
A good man would write his power company to warn of a boycott should this sort of thing be deployed.
Have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior?
ruebarb, you are surely a man after my own heart!
Moderate with threshhold set to -1 to spot abuse.