We have a lot in common. because
i see dumb dimwitted slow moving, but well intentioned bumblers. Also.
And judging by your comments, you believe the official story of 911, Oklahoma, etc, I don't. That's the difference. Have you spent hours researching each element, I have. On 9/12 I was gung-ho, right wing consitutional republican, blow them up, etc. The only difference is when someone tells me something outlandish, I actually take the time to do the research, which most don't. Not because their bad people, not because their stupid, they simply may not have the time, energy, or assume that everyone is like them, good people, which I also did. I'd say, I wouldn't do something that evil, therefore, they couldn't either. The thing I always ask myself however is, does it matter. If what X says is true, does it affect how I react to the world. The answer to that question in regard to the loss of 3000+ of my countrymen is yes. If you are not aware of the specifics of an alternative view, then you cannot logically refute them. The simple fact is, the world does not exist in the manner you think it does. I didn't believe it either, and I wish it wasn't true, and that you are right. Because I want a normal life just as you think it to exist, just like everyone else. And hopefully for the rest of world, I am crazy, and suffer from a grand delusion.
Yet I think your problem is that you believe America is innately a benevolent government with occasional mistakes, but never intentional. As were my thoughts. However, the constitutional debates of 1787 was based upon that opposite principal, and rather as Pane would put it "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."
The constitution by design limited that intolerable evil, but not destroyed it. And further by design, we should see that tyranny coming form government was not only anticipated, but expected.
The question that should logically arise is what makes us any different from any other tyrannical republic (structurally, not historically). For after all, Hitler was elected, and Germany, as America, was a republic. Hitler, under the guise of terrorism suspended civil liberties which was thought to be "temporary" to cope with a terrorist threat, caused by the burned down the Reichstag (Parliament) building which was blamed on the Communists to justify such actions, as have been the attempt in our case via the Patriot Act, Executive orders, NSD, etc, etc.
I'm not suggesting that our soldiers, congress, police are in some elite plot to abuse the people, just I as assert that German soldiers and politicians didn't want to exterminate jews and other plights. No large body will consciously perpetrate such notorieties, largely because their difficult to keep secret ( in addition, I don't think their that many evil people in the world). Nevertheless, these things have and do happen so what makes us any different? Certainly not our constitution (which was the correct answer), that document hasn't been used for sometime (apprx 1945+). It's only paid lip service because if you think your free, you won't fight for freedom. Too simple, I know.
The Christians during the crusades killed many sinners for noble cause, to spread the truth and tranquility and most importantly, salvation. They hear, your family will respect and love you; you will go to heaven with honor when you die. We kill people and surrender our liberties to spread freedom, also another noble cause. No solider is ever told their going to kill for land, money, and power, and that their cause for war was a hoax, for their would no volunteers as no man would leave their family, kill another mans family, for fruits he will never receive or for a cause most would find immoral.
Nor do I suggest that America, in any form, is trying to conquer the world as Germany did, rather I imply America is a delusion that "we the people suffer" from, not the elite that run it and other nations. (as with most forms of natio
Thank you for your sincere and honest comments. In an ideal politic, and if identification for the sake of the prevention of REAL terrorism, I would think your right. However, the SSN card was never to be used for identification, which was actually at the time printed on the front of the card "i.e. Not to be used for ID", yet now I can do nothing without having one (which upsets me). It's the frog in the pot, if you know what I mean. This card is about being liked in, not about fighting terrorism. It is the excuse, not the reason. As to States rights, frankly, from and a constitutional and history standpoint, It is only rights you have. I'd rather be subject to the power of the State than of the Federal kind, for if they were to offend my liberties so severely without form of redress, I'd simply move to the next one. Yet federal poison kills the roots of the nation, and not a mere State. You may review what Forefathers thought of this in Federalist Paper #10. And without diverging two much from topic, I believe researching how FED/IRS/monetary/tax system actually works, as apposed to popular thought on the matter help anyone in doubt understand the REAL reason and not the popular excuse; yet I will not shove it down your throat. I will however leave you with food for thought. If our goal was to fight terrorism and defend this country against the perceived enemies, how could we send troops all across the world to fight terrorism, which is a great controversial divide among both parties and expensive, yet can't send a few troops south to our borders, which both parties agree upon tremendously. As different as the parties may be, you won't find ONE voter in either that would disagree upon this measure. Yet, they remain open, for a magical reason... Does a nation ID card provide more safety than preventing the terrorist and an easy means to enter in the first place? After all, the alleged terrorist possessed passports. This is not a war in defense of your country, it is a war for your minds.
No offense friend, but you trust the Government too much. Haven't you learned anything from 1984? Could you ever imagine technology like this if Hitler was in power, after all, he was elected. I think people think just because they live in what they believe to be a free Country, such as America, that you are immune to these types of realities. No me, no way, I'll walk.
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We have a lot in common. because i see dumb dimwitted slow moving, but well intentioned bumblers. Also.
And judging by your comments, you believe the official story of 911, Oklahoma, etc, I don't. That's the difference. Have you spent hours researching each element, I have. On 9/12 I was gung-ho, right wing consitutional republican, blow them up, etc. The only difference is when someone tells me something outlandish, I actually take the time to do the research, which most don't. Not because their bad people, not because their stupid, they simply may not have the time, energy, or assume that everyone is like them, good people, which I also did. I'd say, I wouldn't do something that evil, therefore, they couldn't either. The thing I always ask myself however is, does it matter. If what X says is true, does it affect how I react to the world. The answer to that question in regard to the loss of 3000+ of my countrymen is yes. If you are not aware of the specifics of an alternative view, then you cannot logically refute them. The simple fact is, the world does not exist in the manner you think it does. I didn't believe it either, and I wish it wasn't true, and that you are right. Because I want a normal life just as you think it to exist, just like everyone else. And hopefully for the rest of world, I am crazy, and suffer from a grand delusion.
Yet I think your problem is that you believe America is innately a benevolent government with occasional mistakes, but never intentional. As were my thoughts. However, the constitutional debates of 1787 was based upon that opposite principal, and rather as Pane would put it "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one."
The constitution by design limited that intolerable evil, but not destroyed it. And further by design, we should see that tyranny coming form government was not only anticipated, but expected.
The question that should logically arise is what makes us any different from any other tyrannical republic (structurally, not historically). For after all, Hitler was elected, and Germany, as America, was a republic. Hitler, under the guise of terrorism suspended civil liberties which was thought to be "temporary" to cope with a terrorist threat, caused by the burned down the Reichstag (Parliament) building which was blamed on the Communists to justify such actions, as have been the attempt in our case via the Patriot Act, Executive orders, NSD, etc, etc.
I'm not suggesting that our soldiers, congress, police are in some elite plot to abuse the people, just I as assert that German soldiers and politicians didn't want to exterminate jews and other plights. No large body will consciously perpetrate such notorieties, largely because their difficult to keep secret ( in addition, I don't think their that many evil people in the world). Nevertheless, these things have and do happen so what makes us any different? Certainly not our constitution (which was the correct answer), that document hasn't been used for sometime (apprx 1945+). It's only paid lip service because if you think your free, you won't fight for freedom. Too simple, I know.
The Christians during the crusades killed many sinners for noble cause, to spread the truth and tranquility and most importantly, salvation. They hear, your family will respect and love you; you will go to heaven with honor when you die. We kill people and surrender our liberties to spread freedom, also another noble cause. No solider is ever told their going to kill for land, money, and power, and that their cause for war was a hoax, for their would no volunteers as no man would leave their family, kill another mans family, for fruits he will never receive or for a cause most would find immoral.
Nor do I suggest that America, in any form, is trying to conquer the world as Germany did, rather I imply America is a delusion that "we the people suffer" from, not the elite that run it and other nations. (as with most forms of natio
Thank you for your sincere and honest comments. In an ideal politic, and if identification for the sake of the prevention of REAL terrorism, I would think your right. However, the SSN card was never to be used for identification, which was actually at the time printed on the front of the card "i.e. Not to be used for ID", yet now I can do nothing without having one (which upsets me). It's the frog in the pot, if you know what I mean. This card is about being liked in, not about fighting terrorism. It is the excuse, not the reason. As to States rights, frankly, from and a constitutional and history standpoint, It is only rights you have. I'd rather be subject to the power of the State than of the Federal kind, for if they were to offend my liberties so severely without form of redress, I'd simply move to the next one. Yet federal poison kills the roots of the nation, and not a mere State. You may review what Forefathers thought of this in Federalist Paper #10. And without diverging two much from topic, I believe researching how FED/IRS/monetary/tax system actually works, as apposed to popular thought on the matter help anyone in doubt understand the REAL reason and not the popular excuse; yet I will not shove it down your throat. I will however leave you with food for thought. If our goal was to fight terrorism and defend this country against the perceived enemies, how could we send troops all across the world to fight terrorism, which is a great controversial divide among both parties and expensive, yet can't send a few troops south to our borders, which both parties agree upon tremendously. As different as the parties may be, you won't find ONE voter in either that would disagree upon this measure. Yet, they remain open, for a magical reason... Does a nation ID card provide more safety than preventing the terrorist and an easy means to enter in the first place? After all, the alleged terrorist possessed passports. This is not a war in defense of your country, it is a war for your minds.
No offense friend, but you trust the Government too much. Haven't you learned anything from 1984? Could you ever imagine technology like this if Hitler was in power, after all, he was elected. I think people think just because they live in what they believe to be a free Country, such as America, that you are immune to these types of realities. No me, no way, I'll walk.