Wow, trash men get paid $9 an hour where I am... oh wait, you did say Microsoft COM+
That's not funny. For him to do more or make more, he would need to learn unix. That is a MAJOR barrier. With MS he probably took out a student loan for 12 grand and took several MS cert classes. With Unix he would need to own a 486 or better and DOWNLOAD Linux (or get a copy in a 13$ magazine. Then, he would have to join newsgroups etc...and download free software and learn it. Thank god for MS lowering the barriers of entry so that he can make 9$ an hour.
Sorry, it is just that really good programmers tend to be cross platform oriented. I am sure the kid has a super work ethic and a clean track record but hey he is stuck to his platform. Sad. I throughly despise THAT aspect of MS. They ruin a lot of careers with their courses.
Chicago. I never contract for less than 60$ and I hire PC techs for 25-30$. PC-Tech is what I consider breaking into the computer industry (that is barring PC techs with 10 yrs experience who choose to stay techs, those are a special kind of critter)
$25 an hour and they provide the hardware. flex time. try and get benefits too.
25$ ??? Where do you live? Venezuela? Seriously, if that is your project, don't settle for entry level.
A couple things to consider. Do you want to maintain control of the project? If so negotiate to sell them support but keep development seperate. If I hire you to develop, the goals I give you ARE your goals and the project direction can be wrestled from you. Use your skills to find work but keep your baby as your own.
I disabled a lot of stuff that autolaunches, like virus scanners, firewall, etc
Good idea. Virus scanners and firewalls use WAY too much overhead. Heck I used to run them and they interfered with my screen savers and stuff. Who needs em.
Thanks! Actually, it is not a vendor, he is the MIS Director. He worked on this software for 20 some years and it is HIGHLY polished, but very SCO. I have full access to the source but I have been told that it is a downtime project. So far I have written a new termcap as his was specific and RHs did not work. I have about 30 documented "it don't works" to look at. The termcap was the big one I think this may run on RH AS this summer. My point about red hat was that businesses our size like support from an even match. There are a few succesful Linux places in the 10-20 M$ range and then there is giant RH but in the 250 M$ range there is little available. Matching size with your support venndors might seem trivial but we have had EXCELLENT luck that way.
That is just my 1.5 cents.
BTW, did you pick the Solaris one;-}
This type of argument is why I and my peers have such a good time laughing at what emanates from Redmond and its associates
I do quite a bit of hiring. If you are having to wade through too much BS I will reiterate my point about slashdot as a hiring forum. Anyway, so sorry too confuse you on my main mission critical app, not only did I not specify that it was custom built but I also failed to mention that it runs on Sco Unix (not my fault). We have very odd problems when we try to run it on Linux (that is more than a little upsetting, I would happily run this app on Red Hat).
All of the RPC vulnerability worms affected the entire NT-kernel tree, including 2K3.
As the other recent viruses in the wild have been script kiddies looking for game passwords etc...These are the only ones worth mentioning. Welchia, blaster etc...
BTW...I patched for these well over a month before the virus came out. So anyone who leaves WIN 2K3 and goes to Linux over those viruses is a buffoon and will dilute your user base with shallow genes. I for one wish people who get known vulnerabilities exploited on their systems long after a patch is available would leave the industry.
A) You want quality support for Linux? Just post a job req. here on Slashdot and watch the resumes fly in. Or you could simply purchase an Enterprise package from RedHat.
B) Please name a "mission-critical app" that Linux can't run (or have a counterpart to) but is in wide use on Win32 (aside from some of the more dipshit mid-level CRM applications).
Thank you for a good example of why I and my peers aren't flocking to your throes. I posted a reasonable post explaining why I limit my use of linux and you give a smart ass response. Let me break it down:
First: post a job on slashdot LOL, sorry I know of no quality professionals who would look on slashdot for a job and am unwilling to weed through the BS.
Second: Red Hat is a good source of support but currently the ONLY national level support worth thinking about.
Finally: I do not care how many wide spread use Win32 apps Linux supports. Until it can run my 1.2 M $ custom made sales/warehouse and finance packages it is not worth talking about.
Really sorry about stepping in penguinshit.
IMHO, if these viruses keep coming around, one is BOUND to attack 2003 servers. Then the 5%'ll feel bad and then revert back.
IMHO as a corporate IT director (and home Linux user), if Linux was: a) easier to find quality support for b) able to run more mission critical apps I would use it in more places in my corporate network. (currently we use it for security and traffic monitoring). I know it is making strong headway, but it is not there yet. I am of course tempted to use it just to spite SCO, but that is not an entirely compelling business reason (the board does not accept your spiteful proposal).
Windows 2003 includes an incredible amount of changes bringing it more into the modular like world of Unix. It will displace some Linux I am sure. I am also sure that Linux will do something which will displace some Win 2K3 that is how this will go for a long while. BTW, understand what you quote about before you make a blatant quote like above. Most of the recent viruses attacked 2K3.
The stock would go right back up in a day or so. So the real plan is that DURING that day LINUX users around the world buy stock from all the scared SCO investors. What bad news that would be.
Sir, now it's not just the customers complaining. Apparently, the stockholders banded into something called a LUG and have voiced opposition.
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Wow, trash men get paid $9 an hour where I am ... oh wait, you did say Microsoft COM+
That's not funny. For him to do more or make more, he would need to learn unix. That is a MAJOR barrier. With MS he probably took out a student loan for 12 grand and took several MS cert classes. With Unix he would need to own a 486 or better and DOWNLOAD Linux (or get a copy in a 13$ magazine. Then, he would have to join newsgroups etc...and download free software and learn it. Thank god for MS lowering the barriers of entry so that he can make 9$ an hour.
Sorry, it is just that really good programmers tend to be cross platform oriented. I am sure the kid has a super work ethic and a clean track record but hey he is stuck to his platform. Sad. I throughly despise THAT aspect of MS. They ruin a lot of careers with their courses.
$25 dollars is entry level? where do you live?
Chicago. I never contract for less than 60$ and I hire PC techs for 25-30$. PC-Tech is what I consider breaking into the computer industry (that is barring PC techs with 10 yrs experience who choose to stay techs, those are a special kind of critter)
$25 an hour and they provide the hardware. flex time. try and get benefits too.
25$ ??? Where do you live? Venezuela? Seriously, if that is your project, don't settle for entry level.
A couple things to consider. Do you want to maintain control of the project? If so negotiate to sell them support but keep development seperate. If I hire you to develop, the goals I give you ARE your goals and the project direction can be wrestled from you. Use your skills to find work but keep your baby as your own.
Why would an embedded device need a firewall or virusscanner if it takes no input but from a certified source?
Read the parent post. The post I responded to was about 'something else' unless Compaq Armadas (a laptop) come with embedded Win98
I disabled a lot of stuff that autolaunches, like virus scanners, firewall, etc
Good idea. Virus scanners and firewalls use WAY too much overhead. Heck I used to run them and they interfered with my screen savers and stuff. Who needs em.
Good luck with your vendor!
;-}
Thanks! Actually, it is not a vendor, he is the MIS Director. He worked on this software for 20 some years and it is HIGHLY polished, but very SCO. I have full access to the source but I have been told that it is a downtime project. So far I have written a new termcap as his was specific and RHs did not work. I have about 30 documented "it don't works" to look at. The termcap was the big one I think this may run on RH AS this summer. My point about red hat was that businesses our size like support from an even match. There are a few succesful Linux places in the 10-20 M$ range and then there is giant RH but in the 250 M$ range there is little available. Matching size with your support venndors might seem trivial but we have had EXCELLENT luck that way.
That is just my 1.5 cents.
BTW, did you pick the Solaris one
This type of argument is why I and my peers have such a good time laughing at what emanates from Redmond and its associates
I do quite a bit of hiring. If you are having to wade through too much BS I will reiterate my point about slashdot as a hiring forum.
Anyway, so sorry too confuse you on my main mission critical app, not only did I not specify that it was custom built but I also failed to mention that it runs on Sco Unix (not my fault). We have very odd problems when we try to run it on Linux (that is more than a little upsetting, I would happily run this app on Red Hat).
All of the RPC vulnerability worms affected the entire NT-kernel tree, including 2K3.
As the other recent viruses in the wild have been script kiddies looking for game passwords etc...These are the only ones worth mentioning. Welchia, blaster etc...
BTW...I patched for these well over a month before the virus came out. So anyone who leaves WIN 2K3 and goes to Linux over those viruses is a buffoon and will dilute your user base with shallow genes. I for one wish people who get known vulnerabilities exploited on their systems long after a patch is available would leave the industry.
A) You want quality support for Linux? Just post a job req. here on Slashdot and watch the resumes fly in. Or you could simply purchase an Enterprise package from RedHat.
/warehouse and finance packages it is not worth talking about.
B) Please name a "mission-critical app" that Linux can't run (or have a counterpart to) but is in wide use on Win32 (aside from some of the more dipshit mid-level CRM applications).
Thank you for a good example of why I and my peers aren't flocking to your throes. I posted a reasonable post explaining why I limit my use of linux and you give a smart ass response. Let me break it down:
First: post a job on slashdot LOL, sorry I know of no quality professionals who would look on slashdot for a job and am unwilling to weed through the BS.
Second: Red Hat is a good source of support but currently the ONLY national level support worth thinking about.
Finally: I do not care how many wide spread use Win32 apps Linux supports. Until it can run my 1.2 M $ custom made sales
Really sorry about stepping in penguinshit.
IMHO, if these viruses keep coming around, one is BOUND to attack 2003 servers. Then the 5%'ll feel bad and then revert back.
IMHO as a corporate IT director (and home Linux user), if Linux was:
a) easier to find quality support for
b) able to run more mission critical apps
I would use it in more places in my corporate network. (currently we use it for security and traffic monitoring). I know it is making strong headway, but it is not there yet. I am of course tempted to use it just to spite SCO, but that is not an entirely compelling business reason (the board does not accept your spiteful proposal).
Windows 2003 includes an incredible amount of changes bringing it more into the modular like world of Unix. It will displace some Linux I am sure. I am also sure that Linux will do something which will displace some Win 2K3 that is how this will go for a long while. BTW, understand what you quote about before you make a blatant quote like above. Most of the recent viruses attacked 2K3.
The stock would go right back up in a day or so. So the real plan is that DURING that day LINUX users around the world buy stock from all the scared SCO investors. What bad news that would be.
Sir, now it's not just the customers complaining. Apparently, the stockholders banded into something called a LUG and have voiced opposition.