Not may, is illegal. You're talking about fraud here, and whether the patent is valid or not, what you are suggesting would still be fraud and could land you with lawsuits, fines, and even jailtime. There's better ways to fight a patent if you feel its injust.
Well if you're going to argue over logic with him then you should reliase that comparing slavery to IP rights is not valid analogy, and therefore logically indifferent. They are two very different concepts.
If the linux box was set up properally it could probably do the same thing (I haven't tried personally so can't say for certain). We sell the product for those who don't want to have to set it up themselves.
Wow it must be too early in the morning for me to speak english. Sorry about that it should be:
If I remember correctly the smaller probes the lander was supposed to detach in orbit, had the equivlent of a cell phone that dialed into the global surveyor to relay a signel back to earth.
"Why couldn't they have given it a mobile phone ? "
Actually if I remember correctly when the lnader was supposed to land the smaller probes that detached from the lander basically had the equivlent of a cell phone that dialed the global surveyor to relay a signel back to earth.
"Its interesting that people get upset when they are asked to put in over 40 h/w. They are already working until sometime on Tuesday (or Wednesday if you're a high-achiever) for someone else and not themselves, but that doesn't seem to bother anyone as much as a few extra hours do."
I'm assuming you're refering to taxes, by saying working for someone else. Not to debate that but that's not all for someone else, you do see benifit to taxes.
A few extra hours bothers people because its just that, extra hours that you could use to spend with your family, or friends, or any outside work activity. There's tons of stuff I would love to do, but can't because I work everyday. And the last thing I want is to do even less of that stuff, because I'm at work all my waking hours.
"Furthermore I believe that when the "average" user plugs in his computer he would prefer assured security over a few added moments of ease."
Actually I think you're wrong. I'm sure if I asked the majority of non-techies I know they'd choose ease of use over security, every time. Try asking your friends and family who aren't computer users and see which they'd rather like.
"I do not understand how asking Steve Case to commandeer your computer's hard drive or, for that matter, attempting to imitate Microsoft's sloppy unintuitive programs, in any way helps the user in the long run"
It doesn't help them at all actually. The author never said that. What it does is give the users a familar environment to work in. The users know it already so they can be productive in it right away. People like what they're using, even if it is crappy. Asking them to switch to something knew takes a lot of convincing.
It has to be remembered that "average" user is next to clueless when put in front of a computer. They are going to look for what they know. If its different they're not going to want to use it. Hence as evil as it seems, AOL, and MS lookalike software is a good thing, to bring users into linux.
Yes of course its possible the did the entire thing. But likely, not in the least. Even MS isn't as stupid as to pull a stunt like this one, with the huge uproar its caused imagine the consequences of being caught. And if they had done it, it would come out eventually, remember the saying three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead.
"Expecting people to download a binary and run it as root, on the other hand, doesn't show much understanding of the culture."
Hacker culture no, but corporate culture it does. If you are maintaining a large group of computers and your boss comes down and tells you to run this program, you better run it if you want to keep your job. Don't forget its mainly corporations that have the large bandwidth needed for a DoS attack of this size.
Well if its possible to do this, it probably could be used as a weapon of mass destruction. But it would not reduce the threat of your enemy responding with convensional nukes. So your country would be radiated, there's would be destroyed but rebuildable.
Not like the laser work that has been done, on being able to shoot nukes down as they come in. Which prevents your enemy from responding in kinda to nuclear war.
"Lots of people get irked with these people that grab up their "trademarked" name. I'm sorry but the internet is a whole new ballgame and just because your name is copyrighted doesn't mean your domain name is."
I don't claim to be 100% sure on the law, but if you copyright something it usually extends to all possible media. If not then I could take a book someone wrote, type it online and redistribute it on a CDROM. Or read it and record it onto a tape and sell the tape.
The fact that a domain name, contains a trademarked name, is enough I'd think to disallow someone else from using it. That's what trademarks were for.
That definatly is immoral, and more then likely illegal. If everyone who worked for a company that did something wrong quit, we'd have a world full of unemployed people.
Also who is to judge when a company is doing something good or bad. We may both agree the RIAA is in the wrong here, but do we have the power to then condem every one of their employees.
You have to remember in the computer field we may get more freedom to choose our own employment, but I have many friends that are happy working for whereever they can, because quite simply they need the money.
"Is anyone else tired of Microsoft paid or founded companies releasing poll data and benchmarks that are in their favor? "
Well MS is hardly the only one who ever releases stats in their favour. In fact you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't. It is so easy to bend statistics to your cause, that is why anytime you read a stat you should investigate exactly how it was come by. Its amazing how a small change in wording can effect the outcome.
Just look at the Quebec referendom in Canada, the question was very confusing, refering to an econmic partnership with Canada, it was not an outright, do you wish to leave. So the vote came out almost 50/50, meanwhile in every other survey that asked the question more clearly, do you wish to leave Canada, the results were much more slanted to staying in Canada.
Its true when they say you can prove anything with statistics.
From what I know they're not aimed at ISA even, you can just get the adapter cards only in ISA. They're designed as PCMCIA cards because the devices that would benifit the most from wireless are small devices you want to carry around with you, which have PCMCIA slots.
Well from what the article said, there might be less psychological problems then you would think, because the nanobots could simulate the feeling of having a body, and even moving in it. It might even be a total virtual world. Who needs space exploration when we can literally create worlds with our thoughts...
Okay if they open source it I'm wondering what improvments can be made? I know there is the obvious of improving how it looks and the graphics. But the math being ran by this program is fairly advanced and I'm sure they don't want anyone being able to compile a client which screws this part of it up.
Also what would people to do ensure data files being sent back are valid? And is there anyway to do this if the entire client is opened.
"What does it matter WHY the bog down takes place? If everyone is downloading *BSD, Linux, or whatever and they have a "legitimate" reason for doing it, and your connection suffers because of it are you going to bitch to the admins to ban *.*linux*.* and *.*bsd*.* connections from being made? "
It does matter because of the simple fact hundreds of students downloading pirated mp3s is illegal, and downloading linux isn't, espically if its for a legitimate educational reason.
Well for starters at least in Canada students only pay for about 30% of the universities budget. So only 30% of the BW is your dime. And even then if you use that logic only your small percentage, out of all the students, is your dime. If I'm having problems connecting to sites I need for assignments, because someone is downloading mp3s, I wouldn't be too happy either.
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Well I know in Canada CAnet3 is up and running, and right now they don't know what to do with all the bandwidth it has. The National Film Board supposedly has a DVD on demand system where you can watch any of their movies over the web now.
"Why do you people act like this is so new and so bad??? Software companies have been depending upon this for years and years. Do you think id software would have been built by doom and quake if just anyone could clone their game??? NO. Why was it a big deal to a lot of people when they open sourced quake? BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BEFORE THAT!!!!"
What your talking about is outright ripping off the code, which is already illegal. What the new law would prohibit is someone even reverse engineering the saved files, which happens for every word processor out there. How would you like to have a word processor that could open its format only. If your friend has a different word processor you would not be able to open your document on his computer.
Also from everything I've experienced game companies letting people examine their files and modify them (for non cheating purposes at least) helps the game. And as long as someone doesn't try to sell these "expansions" for money I don't see what the problem would be. Instead of being able to just play the set game that I love, I can now go and modify it, try to improve it, and just have more fun with it.
And as others have mentioned the whole thing about being able to put basically whatever they want into the license isn't that great either. Maybe they'll start asking for our firstborns.
I'd be interested to know, if such a bad law went into effect, would it still be legal to do the reverse engineering in another country, and then use the data gained from that to develop another proudct in the US itself, or if the product would even then be legal in the US.
"Linux now appears in enough different varieties and is produced by so many companies that the term "Linux" cannot rightly belong to anyone."
Actually that's not true. Look at other examples like Kleenex, its a trademarked term, but is now used in common language. But someone still owns the trademark to the word kleenex, hence why other companies advertise their products as "facial tissues".
While I agree, and to some degree have seen, women get more opportunity at the starting levels, the problem comes after that. No one wants to be an entry level coder their whole life. But when it comes time for someone to be promoted then the "old boys club" attitude can have an affect. I know it doesn't happen everywhere, but I doubt that men ever run into that type of wall trying to move up.
"Do what again, you say? How about messing up with landing zone data, for starters? I believe that if they are not entirely sure about the success of landing equipment, then they should do further research instead of going off half-cocked and launching it anyways, and hoping that everything works out."
If NASA had to be entirely sure about anything on any space mission, nothing would ever get launched. I think most people in the space program readily agree, craft will be lost, and as sad as it is human lives as well. In parallel look back to when North America was first colonized, whole colonies died out. Exploration is a dangerous and far from sure thing, if we had to wait till we knew it was perfectly safe it would never happen.
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"but faking prior may be illegal though"
Not may, is illegal. You're talking about fraud here, and whether the patent is valid or not, what you are suggesting would still be fraud and could land you with lawsuits, fines, and even jailtime. There's better ways to fight a patent if you feel its injust.
Well if you're going to argue over logic with him then you should reliase that comparing slavery to IP rights is not valid analogy, and therefore logically indifferent. They are two very different concepts.
If the linux box was set up properally it could probably do the same thing (I haven't tried personally so can't say for certain). We sell the product for those who don't want to have to set it up themselves.
The company I work for actually sells gateways too www.wilinx.com
Wow it must be too early in the morning for me to speak english. Sorry about that it should be:
If I remember correctly the smaller probes the lander was supposed to detach in orbit, had the equivlent of a cell phone that dialed into the global surveyor to relay a signel back to earth.
"Why couldn't they have given it a mobile phone ? "
Actually if I remember correctly when the lnader was supposed to land the smaller probes that detached from the lander basically had the equivlent of a cell phone that dialed the global surveyor to relay a signel back to earth.
"Its interesting that people get upset when they are asked to put in over 40 h/w. They are already working until sometime on Tuesday (or Wednesday if you're a high-achiever) for someone else and not themselves, but that doesn't seem to bother anyone as much as a few extra hours do."
I'm assuming you're refering to taxes, by saying working for someone else. Not to debate that but that's not all for someone else, you do see benifit to taxes.
A few extra hours bothers people because its just that, extra hours that you could use to spend with your family, or friends, or any outside work activity. There's tons of stuff I would love to do, but can't because I work everyday. And the last thing I want is to do even less of that stuff, because I'm at work all my waking hours.
"Furthermore I believe that when the "average" user plugs in his computer he would prefer assured security over a few added moments of ease."
Actually I think you're wrong. I'm sure if I asked the majority of non-techies I know they'd choose ease of use over security, every time. Try asking your friends and family who aren't computer users and see which they'd rather like.
"I do not understand how asking Steve Case to commandeer your computer's hard drive or, for that matter, attempting to imitate Microsoft's sloppy unintuitive programs, in any way helps the user in the long run"
It doesn't help them at all actually. The author never said that. What it does is give the users a familar environment to work in. The users know it already so they can be productive in it right away. People like what they're using, even if it is crappy. Asking them to switch to something knew takes a lot of convincing.
It has to be remembered that "average" user is next to clueless when put in front of a computer. They are going to look for what they know. If its different they're not going to want to use it. Hence as evil as it seems, AOL, and MS lookalike software is a good thing, to bring users into linux.
Yes of course its possible the did the entire thing. But likely, not in the least. Even MS isn't as stupid as to pull a stunt like this one, with the huge uproar its caused imagine the consequences of being caught. And if they had done it, it would come out eventually, remember the saying three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead.
"Expecting people to download a binary and run it as root, on the other hand, doesn't show much understanding of the culture."
Hacker culture no, but corporate culture it does. If you are maintaining a large group of computers and your boss comes down and tells you to run this program, you better run it if you want to keep your job. Don't forget its mainly corporations that have the large bandwidth needed for a DoS attack of this size.
Well if its possible to do this, it probably could be used as a weapon of mass destruction. But it would not reduce the threat of your enemy responding with convensional nukes. So your country would be radiated, there's would be destroyed but rebuildable.
Not like the laser work that has been done, on being able to shoot nukes down as they come in. Which prevents your enemy from responding in kinda to nuclear war.
"Lots of people get irked with these people that grab up their "trademarked" name. I'm sorry but the internet is a whole new ballgame and just because your name is copyrighted doesn't mean your domain name is."
I don't claim to be 100% sure on the law, but if you copyright something it usually extends to all possible media. If not then I could take a book someone wrote, type it online and redistribute it on a CDROM. Or read it and record it onto a tape and sell the tape.
The fact that a domain name, contains a trademarked name, is enough I'd think to disallow someone else from using it. That's what trademarks were for.
That definatly is immoral, and more then likely illegal. If everyone who worked for a company that did something wrong quit, we'd have a world full of unemployed people.
Also who is to judge when a company is doing something good or bad. We may both agree the RIAA is in the wrong here, but do we have the power to then condem every one of their employees.
You have to remember in the computer field we may get more freedom to choose our own employment, but I have many friends that are happy working for whereever they can, because quite simply they need the money.
"Is anyone else tired of Microsoft paid or founded companies releasing poll data and benchmarks that are in their favor? "
Well MS is hardly the only one who ever releases stats in their favour. In fact you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't. It is so easy to bend statistics to your cause, that is why anytime you read a stat you should investigate exactly how it was come by. Its amazing how a small change in wording can effect the outcome.
Just look at the Quebec referendom in Canada, the question was very confusing, refering to an econmic partnership with Canada, it was not an outright, do you wish to leave. So the vote came out almost 50/50, meanwhile in every other survey that asked the question more clearly, do you wish to leave Canada, the results were much more slanted to staying in Canada.
Its true when they say you can prove anything with statistics.
From what I know they're not aimed at ISA even, you can just get the adapter cards only in ISA. They're designed as PCMCIA cards because the devices that would benifit the most from wireless are small devices you want to carry around with you, which have PCMCIA slots.
Well from what the article said, there might be less psychological problems then you would think, because the nanobots could simulate the feeling of having a body, and even moving in it. It might even be a total virtual world. Who needs space exploration when we can literally create worlds with our thoughts...
Okay if they open source it I'm wondering what improvments can be made? I know there is the obvious of improving how it looks and the graphics. But the math being ran by this program is fairly advanced and I'm sure they don't want anyone being able to compile a client which screws this part of it up.
Also what would people to do ensure data files being sent back are valid? And is there anyway to do this if the entire client is opened.
"What does it matter WHY the bog down takes place? If everyone is downloading *BSD, Linux, or whatever and they have a "legitimate" reason for doing it, and your connection suffers because of it are you going to bitch to the admins to ban *.*linux*.* and *.*bsd*.* connections from being made? "
It does matter because of the simple fact hundreds of students downloading pirated mp3s is illegal, and downloading linux isn't, espically if its for a legitimate educational reason.
Well for starters at least in Canada students only pay for about 30% of the universities budget. So only 30% of the BW is your dime. And even then if you use that logic only your small percentage, out of all the students, is your dime. If I'm having problems connecting to sites I need for assignments, because someone is downloading mp3s, I wouldn't be too happy either.
Well I know in Canada CAnet3 is up and running, and right now they don't know what to do with all the bandwidth it has. The National Film Board supposedly has a DVD on demand system where you can watch any of their movies over the web now.
"Why do you people act like this is so new and so bad??? Software companies have been depending upon this for years and years. Do you think id software would have been built by doom and quake if just anyone could clone their game??? NO. Why was it a big deal to a lot of people when they open sourced quake? BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BEFORE THAT!!!!"
What your talking about is outright ripping off the code, which is already illegal. What the new law would prohibit is someone even reverse engineering the saved files, which happens for every word processor out there. How would you like to have a word processor that could open its format only. If your friend has a different word processor you would not be able to open your document on his computer.
Also from everything I've experienced game companies letting people examine their files and modify them (for non cheating purposes at least) helps the game. And as long as someone doesn't try to sell these "expansions" for money I don't see what the problem would be. Instead of being able to just play the set game that I love, I can now go and modify it, try to improve it, and just have more fun with it.
And as others have mentioned the whole thing about being able to put basically whatever they want into the license isn't that great either. Maybe they'll start asking for our firstborns.
I'd be interested to know, if such a bad law went into effect, would it still be legal to do the reverse engineering in another country, and then use the data gained from that to develop another proudct in the US itself, or if the product would even then be legal in the US.
"Linux now appears in enough different varieties and is produced by so many companies that the term "Linux" cannot rightly belong to anyone."
Actually that's not true. Look at other examples like Kleenex, its a trademarked term, but is now used in common language. But someone still owns the trademark to the word kleenex, hence why other companies advertise their products as "facial tissues".
While I agree, and to some degree have seen, women get more opportunity at the starting levels, the problem comes after that. No one wants to be an entry level coder their whole life. But when it comes time for someone to be promoted then the "old boys club" attitude can have an affect. I know it doesn't happen everywhere, but I doubt that men ever run into that type of wall trying to move up.
"Do what again, you say? How about messing up with landing zone data, for starters? I believe that if they are not entirely sure about the success of landing equipment, then they should do further research instead of going off half-cocked and launching it anyways, and hoping that everything works out."
If NASA had to be entirely sure about anything on any space mission, nothing would ever get launched. I think most people in the space program readily agree, craft will be lost, and as sad as it is human lives as well. In parallel look back to when North America was first colonized, whole colonies died out. Exploration is a dangerous and far from sure thing, if we had to wait till we knew it was perfectly safe it would never happen.