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  1. Re:What Internet Governance is really about on UN Wants To Regulate Internet · · Score: 1

    There've been a lot of press releases from groups like the WSIS (World Summit on the Information Society) about "internet governance" and similar topics, but what they're really doing is using the near-universal dislike for ICANN to accomplish other goals. Typical announcements talk about several things:

    Both WSIS and WGIG have some odd bedfellows. The registrars
    hate ICANN because of their perception that ICANN's methods
    for expanding the number of TLDs and assigning registries
    are contrary to their interests. The ITU hates ICANN because it
    assigns no power to governments (and despite all other parties
    that play in ITU, it is the vote of "sovereign states" that really
    counts). These people are playing together because of the
    old "enemy of my enemy" dictum, but it's mighty clear that
    they would not play well together once the enemy was gone.
    Most of the registrars would hate dealing on ITU terms
    (the few state monopoly ccTLD registrars excepted).

    The ITU also dislikes that all of the protocol work came out
    of the IETF, rather than its own study groups. It's now working with ETSI to create what it calls "NGN" (for Next generation Network", which is really an adaptation of the work done in
    3gpp and 3gpp2 for wireless (and those are largely adaptations
    of IETF core protocols, and much of the actual engineering
    of things like ROHC and SIP was done in the IETF). The crazy
    thing is that this is really just a service overlay network that
    they somehow believe will subsume the services currently
    running on the bit-pipe Internet we have now (where anyone
    can offer you content or services without a special deal with
    the operators). There is only one way that could happen,
    really--massive regulation that eliminated everything but
    the operator's approved services. They could try it and watch
    it fail, of course, but I personally am pretty concerned about
    the attempt.

  2. Re:and a Private US Company is better??? on UN Wants To Regulate Internet · · Score: 1

    Actually, that's not quite true. ICANN also provides the
    funding for IANA's other registries. Those registries are
    used by multiple protocols (SMTP, SIP, XMPP, and a long
    list of others). Go to http://www.iana.org/numbers.html for
    a full list. Those are assigned, however, under rules set
    up by the IETF and generally do not have the same kinds
    of political and property issues at stake.

    Geoff Huston, former Executive Director of the Internet
    Architecture Board, has proposed splitting those off from
    ICANN, so that political issues related to ICANN's other
    roles don't affect them. http://mirrors.isc.org/pub/www.watersprings.org/pu b/id/draft-huston-iana-00.txt
    has a copy of the -00 version of his proposal.

  3. CRISP/IRIS helps, but only some on Whois Record Falsification Closer To Illegality · · Score: 2, Informative

    The IETF's CRISP working group has developed a replacement for whois: IRIS (Internet Registry Information Service). IRIS allows for different levels of access, so that you don't have whois's "all or nothing" response any more. This will help protect record details like addresses from harvest by J. Random Abuser (spammer, what have you). This is goodness.

    I assume that the law enforcement agencies in the country in which the registry is domiciled would have to provide the highest level of access (equivalent to the current whois), but that other LEAs would have to go through the country of domicile.
    This is speculation, though; ICANN/registry/registrar policies may make it easier or harder.

  4. Re:Sender-ID was never about stopping spam on Apache Rejects Sender ID · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The main point in the above is correct: Sender-ID/Caller-ID/SPF
    is about forgery. Forged spam is a use case, but there never was an illusion that this would stop spam--a spammer can simply buy a $9 domain, enter a record, and send the mail. The spammer just can't send it as user@protected.example.net
    any more.

    But the "Microsoft can sue SPF out of existence" piece is not correct (sorry, dude!). SPF protects part of the envelope:
    the bounce address coded in the RFC 2821 MAIL-FROM;
    Caller-ID/Sender-ID protect the headers in the RFC 2822
    message (From:, Resent-From:, and the like). They do different
    things. The working group discussed which one to prioritize
    and picked the latter after Meng Wong and Mark Lentczner
    (SPF authors) met with the Microsoft authors (Harry Katz and
    Jim Lyons); this was discussed at the MARID
    Campbell interim meeting.

    Both are still interesting, but killing Sender-ID in favor of
    SPF, as many are now advocating means you're changing
    strategy; you're fundamentally changing what you're protecting.

    To go back to the main point, neither will stop spam.
    Write that down. .

  5. Re:A set of good articles on Apache Rejects Sender ID · · Score: 1

    Anyone who can't spell Jon Postel's name right shouldn't
    be trying to give a historical perspective on this problem.

    Yakov missed a great deal of previous activity on this
    topic in the IETF (viz. Sally Hambridge's efforts in the
    90s), and his take on the recent events is heavily colored
    by his previous position as the _IRTF_'s co-chair for
    the Anti-Spam Research Group. Note Well: _previous_
    position.

    The group, like all IETF groups, is public, and all of its
    email archives are available for your perusal. Why not
    read for yourself and make up your own mind?

  6. Re:IETF Global Perspective/IPR declarations page on MS Releases License For Sender-ID · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are lots of other examples at http://ietf.org/ipr.html with
    fairly similar "don't sue me and you can use it" terms. The IPR
    terms being offered here almost look like a cut and paste job, to
    be honest, and that may not be a bad thing. There actually
    can be advantages to someone holding a defensive patent:

    It means someone who wants to use a submarine patent to
    control this technology has to fight Microsoft's lawyers.

    Microsoft's grant is: 1) subject to any denial of claims by
    the USPTO, 2) Royalty-free (as in beer), 3) Non-discriminatory
    (anyone, anywhere, any time). Other submarine patents might
    not be nearly so nice, and I'd rather have the next guy along
    sue Microsoft than me.

    There are some pain in the rump aspects; it is not:
    sublicensable (everyone has to get their own free thing).
    It does require you license back whatever you have claims on
    that is needed for Sender-ID to get their thing needed
    for Sender-ID (this is common in the IPR declarations given
    to the IETF). That, in my humble not-a-lawyer opinion is
    why you have to let them know your use is under the free,
    global, yadda-yadda license rather than being an
    infringement of the patent.

    The good news: this does not require those deploying
    Sender-ID records to do anything. It does not
    require anyone using packaged binary software to do
    anything. It does not require anyone distributing
    packaged binary software to do anything.

    It's a minor pain for implementors and a hassle for distributors
    (who may, like Sendmail, have to put the Sender-ID code in a
    different distribution). Not ideal, but not enough of a pita,
    in my opinion, to go without the technology. Especially if
    their claims cover things like "storing MTA authorization records
    in the DNS" (and they could), rejecting this could mean rejecting
    the whole ball of wax as an anti-forgery tool.

    Who wins then?

  7. Not anti-Spam, anti-Forgery on Microsoft to Deploy SPF for Hotmail Users · · Score: 1

    SenderID and the LMAP proposals on which it is based are focussed on anti-Forgery, not anti-Spam.
    This is intended to make joe-jobs and phishing harder.

    Note that S/MIME and PGPMail (also standardized in the IETF)
    are better for this because they confirm it was a specific
    individual, rather than sourced from a specific domain. But this
    is a useful incremental step that may cut down things like
    spurious bounces *exactly because the SPAMMERS can work
    around it*. Since it does nothing agains the 9 dollar throwaway
    domain, it is not going to stop SPAM--just make SPAM purporting to be coming from you just a bit harder.

    The MASS birds of a feather session at the upcoming
    IETF is intended to look at cryptographic DNS records for a similar purpose (think DomainKeys).

    Both are things that reputation services can use as a substrate for further work.

    So, it is a useful piece of technology, but please don't judge it by "stops all Spam", or you will conclude it failed at a task it did not take on.

  8. Limited, but important. on Lead Developer of SPF Anti-Spam Scheme Interviewed · · Score: 1

    The general approach taken by SPF and friends does
    nothing directly to stop SPAM. As numerous other posters
    have pointed out, the throw-away domain is still available
    to spammers and it is easy for them to generate valid
    SPF records for those throw-away domains, even using
    zombie networks (with dynamic DNS, you can even limit
    the number of IP addresses in the records to mask
    the size of the network).

    It is useful, though, both immediately and in the medium
    term. The immediate usefulness is in bounce processing.
    An MTA whose role is to generate or forward bounces
    can check the SPF record before action and not send
    those for which there is no connection between the
    message and the target of the bounce. That's very
    useful, since it removes the clutter from the mailboxes
    of those who were the targets of joe jobs. (Note that
    an MTA forwarding a bounce can do this, as well as
    one originating a bounce--that means an enterprise
    can do this at the MTAs listed in the MX records).

    In the medium term, the SPF record can be used to
    limit certain kinds of forgery, making it harder for
    social engineering attacks to work. It's not perfect,
    by any means, since registration of domains like
    "companyname-support.com" will still fool some
    users. It also relies to some extent on the first
    MTA in a series to perform the checks, as the scheme
    gets weaker and weaker with the need to grovel
    through more headers to make an association.
    In other words, it works well when it is
    ORIGINMTA--DESTMTA, but less well when it
    is ORGINMTA--IntermediateMTA-IntermediateMTA-DESTMTA,
    since the RFC 2822 header (From:, Resent-From:, etc.)
    processing gets more complicated. Since the latter is a core
    part of the design of email (store and forward), there
    are limits to SPFs role in this arena--especially when
    spammers decide to pass there messages through multiple
    MTAs under their own control to generate the appearance
    of this complexity.

    In the long term, the hope is that it starts folks toward
    a more generic mechanism that allows the sending domain
    to describe the characteristics of its email (e.g. all mail
    is signed as S/MIME and all signatures derive from this CA)
    and the receiving domain to check the characteristics
    of the messages it's received against those.

    Again, though, this is all about forgery, not SPAM.

  9. Re:yep on Examining an Automated Spam Tool · · Score: 1

    URKI writes:

    >The reason why it has not been done is just that, IETF can't get their act together.

    The IETF is like a lot of other open-source communities: it depends on contributions from folks who have identified a problem and developed a solution to it. Unlike a lot of other communities: it is completely open, and it is consensus driven. Completely open means you can contribute your solution and get heard by the rest of the community as easily as, say, Harald Alvestrand. That's the upside. The downside is everyone else who has an interest can contribute gets to as well, and some of them may have solutions which don't work, are just as good as yours but different, or which have a different set of engineering trade-offs than yours so that different folks have an interest in seeing different ones succeed.

    And did I mention, the IETF was consensus driven? Though this is "rough consensus", the core idea of the IETF is still that you take the *intersection* of what people feel is a good idea rather than the *union* (common in many other groups). That has a lot of consequences when combined with completely open.

    That doesn't mean the IETF can't work on a problem. It does mean it probably isn't the place to engage in an arms race. In my humble opinion, spammers and anti-spammers are in an arms race.

    So you're not too discouraged, if you look at the development of protocols like SIMPLE or XMMP in the IETF, you'll see neat stuff like e2e message integrity and encryption, and (with the IMPP docs finally out) even some ability to pass things from one to the other. Passing a message in IM, in other words, will soon be better than email for things that make a lot of difference to spam diffusion. Those are new protocols, and a *new* any-to-any message protocol might get a lot of traction. But expecting the work on an existing protocol with millions of deployed nodes to be as quick misses how the entrenched interests of developers (many open source, some commercial) can affect a consensus driven process.

    But if you want to contribute, just do it. The IETF is still open enough and technical enough that a good hack from
    just about anyone will get its just props.