1) This is news.
2) Alpha is a type of CPU. DEC made 'em and since spending US$9.5 Million on a Monday in 1998, Compaq make 'em.
3) NetBSD runs on many platforms
4) On this paricular platform (alpha), NetBSD has had Multiprocessor alpha for a little while, but it dosen't matter much until you can make it go multiuser.
5) This is news, because compaq make some "big-ass" alpha systems (32x Alpha = Floating Point like AMD and Intel dream of:-)
6) Our sweet lil OS (I run it on Alpha and VAX DEC equipment) runs on even more big systems, this may even be the biggest.
If you have a spare alpha + vt320, then so the lil box a favor and see http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/ then join port-alpha@netbsd.org.
Just a note of caution over the cheapest-o-the-cheap switches that are coming out these days...
I am sure some of them are good but some of them are just 2x 4 port shared curcuits that are switched [eg between port 1 & port 2 it is the same as a hub, between port 1 & port 5 it is a switch]
For my money, I'd go a good switch (in the basement, just for effect;-) and skimp on the hubs, but it's up to you, what suits your $, house, patents you may hold...
/bin/fsck_it, Just get a Cisco Microwave and Toaster:-)
This is great. I was just on my way down into a rut when I read this. Every coder needs to be told every now and then that the code that we write is good (lie if necessary:) and that we are all on the same team and all that...
this one always makes me giggle... Why is it that Outlook Exprs and Outlook share the same name but not a line of code? And then why is it that MSDE came from the SQL7 code but it's not called SQL Anything? Wouldn't it be better to call Outlook xprs "Just a mail client2000" and MSDE "not quite a database engine2000":)
hmmm, one of us is missing the point (could be me)
From my (little:) experience, the real value in an install fest is that the juniors (god luv 'em) among us can have a) exposure to things like bootp/dhcp servers & other distros (and OS's for that matter) that they would not normally have access to; and b) exposure to more experienced guys that can help 'em with the tricky things...
Otherwise, there is useually alot of a)beer, b) Hardware & c) nerds in one place at one time. Sounds like fun to me:)
In a business environment with windoze desktop machines and DB servers... Let us both tender for the job of the DB-front-end application, I'll propose to do it in VB and you propose to do it in C++ or Java.... Now change the situation to ANYTHING else and VB will be the last on the list (I hope:) -= That is my first point =- My second point is a bit more clear, but less serious: Don't we (as programmers/developers/etc) have anything else to "discus" (read: argue about) than this? If not the we are in a better world that I realised:) Just for the record (read: keep flames at bay:), I am a vb programmer by trade and that is why there is one windoze machine on my LAN.
Please think twice before bashing VB as a development platform. The fact as I see it is this:
* Linux makes good servers
* Win95 is EVERYWHERE as far as desktop machines in business is concerned
* MS VC++ is a powerful tool, but it takes alot of work to get the same result as a monkey can get in VB.
* What else are you gonna write the front end to your Linux server in if there is a room full of users with low comp. literacy who need their data quickly
* Sure it's not the most elegant soloution, but most importantly it's good for the purpose.
* Two other things in it's favour, any monkey can learn it, and the support is great. Both reducing the cost of maintenance
POINT: Less OS bashing guys, the two can play *together*
Having said that, my home network is still (all but one machine) Linux
What might be nice, is a free-ish sort of licence arangement like developers can take with IE, that is you get the SDK, register and muck with IE (to the limit allowed:) until it suites your particular installation. Then touch base with M$ every 6 months or so to hand over all your great ideas.
I see this as a major advantage for a business to take up IE, because it can be moulded it's easier to distribute and maintain.
At our place here, the field guys take laptops out so they can do data entry in one app, then take this back to the office and transfer it to the *real* db.
If we could mess with CE a bit (ie cut out the crap) we could have a small front end to our DB (existing front end in VB5) as a single use CE device for real lot cheaper (initial and maintenance) than a laptop.
This is the only advantage I can see to opening up CE, apart from seeing just how messy these guys code realy is:)
As unpalatable as this release may be to some, it is still a release. If it's development is halted here and no source is released and the group is disbanded, it is still a release.
Is it then unreasonable to assume that they are using US layers to inforce a US law?
I am walming a chair in Sydney Australia right now. What if, when I was 19 years old, I put up a 2 page confession to buying a case of beer, which to your US layes is a crime, but in Austalia they will help you to your car with it.
If I put this page up on say Geocities (US company) is that a crime? vs. say putting it on a server in my home land?
My point boils down to a matter of boundries. Can Pez(tm) drag me off this walm chair and half way accross the earth to be sued in an American court room for infringement of copywrite if my beer page is META'd up with PEZ references? I know they won't, but CAN they? I hope not, I hate your beer, no offence:)
Secondary point: You know we are all in the wrong game, don't you? What do you reckon these layers are being paid for their trivial persuits?
Just say, that through forces not yet fully understood by modern science the.gov here actually stops us looking at what they don't want us to see on the net, do they realise that we can just leave our keyboards and get as much drugs/porn/weapons etc from our local representative of the respective flourishing industries on the street?
Everyone repeat after me: "Lets all *pretend* that we are adults." (for those who are that is;)
Partly true. The story is like this. As of 2000, if it wouldn't be granted clasification as a book or movie (stuff with too much drugs, XXX or the like) then you can't host it in Oz, and if forign material it is identified by a panel as bad, ISP's must block it. I would still like to be treated like an adult and be alowed to *choose* what I look at and what I dont tho.
#1 I agree with the technical correctness of most of the answers given to this response. #2 I am suprised the 'use a router' answer didn't come sooner;) #3 I don't think that anyone should be responded to in a negative fashion for asking a question (yep, even the silly ones) 'cause there is no real value to knowledge if it is not shared. All IMHO of course;)
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Ok, some clarity seems to be needed here.
:-)
:-)
1) This is news.
2) Alpha is a type of CPU. DEC made 'em and since spending US$9.5 Million on a Monday in 1998, Compaq make 'em.
3) NetBSD runs on many platforms
4) On this paricular platform (alpha), NetBSD has had Multiprocessor alpha for a little while, but it dosen't matter much until you can make it go multiuser.
5) This is news, because compaq make some "big-ass" alpha systems (32x Alpha = Floating Point like AMD and Intel dream of
6) Our sweet lil OS (I run it on Alpha and VAX DEC equipment) runs on even more big systems, this may even be the biggest.
If you have a spare alpha + vt320, then so the lil box a favor and see http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/ then join port-alpha@netbsd.org.
It clensed my soul.
I am sure some of them are good but some of them are just 2x 4 port shared curcuits that are switched [eg between port 1 & port 2 it is the same as a hub, between port 1 & port 5 it is a switch]
For my money, I'd go a good switch (in the basement, just for effect ;-) and skimp on the hubs, but it's up to you, what suits your $, house, patents you may hold...
/bin/fsck_it, Just get a Cisco Microwave and Toaster :-)
I think the real issue is the government and technology being so out of step.
.au don't even know what the internet _is_!
The people who make the laws about technology down here in
Most think it's just a new type of pay-tv!
imagine a beo... oh, who cares any more :-9
This is great. I was just on my way down into a rut when I read this. Every coder needs to be told every now and then that the code that we write is good (lie if necessary :) and that we are all on the same team and all that...
:)
sounds silly, but it realy makes a difference
this one always makes me giggle... Why is it that Outlook Exprs and Outlook share the same name but not a line of code? And then why is it that MSDE came from the SQL7 code but it's not called SQL Anything? :)
Wouldn't it be better to call Outlook xprs "Just a mail client2000" and MSDE "not quite a database engine2000"
hmmm, one of us is missing the point (could be me)
:) experience, the real value in an install fest is that the juniors (god luv 'em) among us can have a) exposure to things like bootp/dhcp servers & other distros (and OS's for that matter) that they would not normally have access to; and b) exposure to more experienced guys that can help 'em with the tricky things ...
:)
From my (little
Otherwise, there is useually alot of a)beer, b) Hardware & c) nerds in one place at one time. Sounds like fun to me
In a business environment with windoze desktop machines and DB servers... Let us both tender for the job of the DB-front-end application, I'll propose to do it in VB and you propose to do it in C++ or Java.... Now change the situation to ANYTHING else and VB will be the last on the list (I hope :) -= That is my first point =- My second point is a bit more clear, but less serious: Don't we (as programmers/developers/etc) have anything else to "discus" (read: argue about) than this? If not the we are in a better world that I realised :) Just for the record (read: keep flames at bay :), I am a vb programmer by trade and that is why there is one windoze machine on my LAN.
Sorry for hittin' a raw nerve there, buddy :)
Please think twice before bashing VB as a development platform. The fact as I see it is this:
* Linux makes good servers
* Win95 is EVERYWHERE as far as desktop machines in business is concerned
* MS VC++ is a powerful tool, but it takes alot of work to get the same result as a monkey can get in VB.
* What else are you gonna write the front end to your Linux server in if there is a room full of users with low comp. literacy who need their data quickly
* Sure it's not the most elegant soloution, but most importantly it's good for the purpose.
* Two other things in it's favour, any monkey can learn it, and the support is great. Both reducing the cost of maintenance
POINT: Less OS bashing guys, the two can play *together*
Having said that, my home network is still (all but one machine) Linux
What might be nice, is a free-ish sort of licence arangement like developers can take with IE, that is you get the SDK, register and muck with IE (to the limit allowed :) until it suites your particular installation. Then touch base with M$ every 6 months or so to hand over all your great ideas.
:)
I see this as a major advantage for a business to take up IE, because it can be moulded it's easier to distribute and maintain.
At our place here, the field guys take laptops out so they can do data entry in one app, then take this back to the office and transfer it to the *real* db.
If we could mess with CE a bit (ie cut out the crap) we could have a small front end to our DB (existing front end in VB5) as a single use CE device for real lot cheaper (initial and maintenance) than a laptop.
This is the only advantage I can see to opening up CE, apart from seeing just how messy these guys code realy is
Because them legal types are clever in ways normal humans are not (they are also other things, but thats off topic :)
I will need to be guided by some one with a more firm understanding of the licence situation, BUT they might say...
a) If it was pre-installed, then it WAS used (seal broken), and thats what you paid for.
b) If it wasn't pre-installed (ie just handed over) and not used, then take it back to your vendor for a refund.
c) If you don't want a copy when you buy a machine, go to a vendor that gives you the option.
Arguments more stupid than the ones stated above have worked!
I am afraid that we must just grin and bare it and add it to the collection of coasters on the bar.
As unpalatable as this release may be to some, it is still a release. If it's development is halted here and no source is released and the group is disbanded, it is still a release.
This means that it _will_ be used. GPL or no GPL.
Thats my 5c
PEZ(tm) is a US company, right?
:)
Is it then unreasonable to assume that they are using US layers to inforce a US law?
I am walming a chair in Sydney Australia right now. What if, when I was 19 years old, I put up a 2 page confession to buying a case of beer, which to your US layes is a crime, but in Austalia they will help you to your car with it.
If I put this page up on say Geocities (US company) is that a crime? vs. say putting it on a server in my home land?
My point boils down to a matter of boundries. Can Pez(tm) drag me off this walm chair and half way accross the earth to be sued in an American court room for infringement of copywrite if my beer page is META'd up with PEZ references? I know they won't, but CAN they? I hope not, I hate your beer, no offence
Secondary point: You know we are all in the wrong game, don't you? What do you reckon these layers are being paid for their trivial persuits?
Remember the guts of the matter...
:)
If you like it, use it. If you don't like it, don't use it.
If you don't like it, and you don't use it, use something else or write something you _do_ like.
If you end up writing something else, GPL it _only_ if you want to.
Problem?
If I had two cents to rub together, this would be them.
Just say, that through forces not yet fully understood by modern science the .gov here actually stops us looking at what they don't want us to see on the net, do they realise that we can just leave our keyboards and get as much drugs/porn/weapons etc from our local representative of the respective flourishing industries on the street?
;)
/dev/null ;)
Everyone repeat after me:
"Lets all *pretend* that we are adults." (for those who are that is
Proposed soloution: mv *.gov
Two points from an Australian...
;)
1) I will not install anything that I don't want to on my LAN. (my next post will probabbly be from jail tho
2) This is what you get when you let people who can only just identify a computer by sight make your computer laws!
yep.
Partly true. The story is like this. As of 2000, if it wouldn't be granted clasification as a book or movie (stuff with too much drugs, XXX or the like) then you can't host it in Oz, and if forign material it is identified by a panel as bad, ISP's must block it. I would still like to be treated like an adult and be alowed to *choose* what I look at and what I dont tho.
#1 I agree with the technical correctness of most of the answers given to this response. #2 I am suprised the 'use a router' answer didn't come sooner ;) #3 I don't think that anyone should be responded to in a negative fashion for asking a question (yep, even the silly ones) 'cause there is no real value to knowledge if it is not shared. All IMHO of course ;)