Well, if that's as close as you can get to understanding an omnipotent, omniscient, loving God, I'll take it. After all, I'm assuming that like most of the rest of us you *liked* Walt Disney.
You are proving my point. I was saying that you can't copyright the Bible as in the original Bible because 1. It was written by somebody else 2. It is really old
As I already said, translations are different.
As far as a GPL or BSD Bible I wonder if you really understand how offensive that is. The Bible is viewed by believers as Divinely inspired. You can change things around but then it is no longer the Bible, merely a book that bears a resemblence to the original.
As for how peeved people can get, try looking up the history and responses to heresy. I'm not defending either side as Jesus is about love and fidelity to God not the auto de fe, but I suspect you didn't realize the extent of your flamebaiting.
Let's say it slowly, "That dual Xeon system will be... much cheaper [than a Mac]". What are you talking about? The MP Macs aren't out yet and somehow you know that the overpriced gold plate that is Xeon will automagically be superior in price and in speed.
Your upgrade options for old 486 machines at this point are to replace motherboard, CPU, power supply (486 power supplies aren't stable enough for Intel's current chips), in short, everything but the case and you probably will have to drill new holes in the case to accomodate your replacement motherboard. This is hardly a $100 upgrade.
You cannot copyright the bible but unless you are publishing in the original greek/aramaic texts there is a translator's work in there. A translation can be copyrighted and very often is separate from the original copyright.
Though according to US law, the original copyright shouldn't have expired since the author (God) is not dead. His copyists, of course, have all gone to the great beyond.
There is something out there that is not strictly technological, but also not marketing which I'm labelling the user experience. What's the value of a system where everybody uses the same clipboard, where all generic keyboard equivalents match, where all the little things fit in just so... This is obviously going to change from person to person but the artistic enhancements that separate Macs out from the PC crowd aren't marketing, they are physical aspects of the machine or they are methods of software interactivity that PCs just don't get.
There is something else out there, perhaps it's user experience, perhaps it's craftsmanship, I don't know how to come up with the right word but I *do* know that the innovation of the iMac is neither marketing or technology.
Perhaps you didn't see it but what struck me as most clever in his response is what he did not say.
He did not make any refusals to do anything about Microsoft's demands at all. He did not say that Slashdot would comply or not comply. You cannot be in serious defiance of the law when you are making good faith efforts to separate out true, lawful claims from the false ones. IMO Microsoft made both and probably hoped that a panicked slashdot crew would just fold entirely.
Beyond the wise use of silence on matters that aren't ripe, he also asked several important questions to determine the legality of some of MS's demands, specifically, the demands to take down links and instructions on getting around the clickwrap license. There currently isn't any injunction filed, time is on the side of right and light for now so the more questions asked the better. The answers are mostly known from external observation but to bring them up now is going to aid in creating useful stipulations of fact later (i.e. when MS does get a friendly judge to slap an injunction on) when time is not on our side. Stipulations of fact take away territory that MS can use to delay when they have the upper hand and wish to drag things out.
It *is* innovative, just not in the traditional nerd sense. Making people feel better and increasing the universe of computer users through those non-geek innovations of enhancing user experience is an innovative process.
This impacts geeks indirectly, it's not a non-event. Every geek idea has to fight for a critical mass of users before it becomes commercially viable or at least interesting (imagine how boring slashdot would be with only 5 users 2 of them chanting hot grits). As the universe of computer users expands the number of applications/ideas/technologies that can reach critical mass increases and the entire utility of the internet increases as these computers come online.
Honestly, could you give me an example of a low end consumer PC of any company that is innovative technologically? The high end is where all the new tech gets introduced traditionally.
Do you really think that Steve Jobs will be junking the NetBoot technology that he hyped not too long ago? I don't think so. NetBoot implies a server. It may be the current Mac OS X client on steroids but there will be a Mac OS X server.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. You certainly can have Apple quality components (after all these are commodities at this point)but do you get them at a discount to the Apple price?
What you don't get at any price without Apple is a bunch of flaming anal-retentives concentrating on all the little details to make the hardware/software combo work nicely together so you don't have to worry about it. Now some people put the value of that little fact at $0 and that's OK, that's not Apple's market. But for the other 95% of people it does have a monetary value and Apple's growing marketshare is demonstrating that it more than covers the price difference for like quality x86 hardware.
The inerrancy of all translations of the Bible is simply not the case as any serious scholar could tell you. Early church set the canon and generally kept things stable until the protestants came along and threw out seven books! Even among protestants, there are many translation differences amongst the various denominations and that doesn't even go to the more unusual issues raised by the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses (I would pay to be called on by both groups simultaneously).
Ignoring the wounds in Christ's body caused by the disunity of his followers is not fitting for a true christian.
Actually, what got Galileo in trouble with the church is his application of his heliocentric theory to the Bible. He had ticked off a great many people (think Stallman cubed) including his greatest supporters, the Jesuits. All in all it wasn't the proudest moment of the Catholic Church which is probably one reason why they eventually apologized. The Pope (JP II) actually ordered the issuing of two commemorative stamps as I recall as penance.
W/regards to the torture statements, this happened in some cases but the relevant rules on such trials forbade it. Galileo was tried in Rome right under the noses of those cardinals who wrote the rules. You can be pretty sure (and most serious scholarship supports this) that they didn't do anything but go strictly by the book on procedural matters (including torture or threats thereof).
Galileo ended up under house arrest and was limited to one servant but had no limitations on visitors. Not good, not an acceptable imitation of Christ that we are called to do as Christians, but not the bloodthirsty, ignorant savagery that some people make it out to be.
On marketshare, the numbers are clear it is just under 20-1 in favor of windows. Then again, last year, it was over 20-1 in favor of windows. The reality is that Apple is gaining in marketshare, in large part due to the iMac/iBook.
Now let me see if I understand your beef. You don't like the current crop of Macs because they are too similar to PCs? So you were buying NuBus slotted, ADB I/O, SCSI on the MB Macs before the changes? I didn't think so. The cost of peripherals was sky high.
As for Windows 98 driving USB sales I have one little thought to pop that bubble - safe mode. It kind of blows when your USB keyboard won't register with your OS when you are trying to recover from a crash.
The ultimate question is whether you can install Mac OS X on a Darwin system. If so, then any Darwin install (including alternate hardware ports) should be able to be upgraded. The higher level systems shouldn't be talking directly to the hardware at all and low level device drivers only need to talk to the already publicly available Darwin layer.
Then the question would be, if Apple doesn't want to let that happen, how would they stop it?
You bought the software, could Apple really issue cease and desist orders that would stick if someone figured a way to fool the installer?
Get a clue! I'm not going to bother trumpeting my level of faith over yours but you do our Savior a disservice and drive waverers into the heart of the enemy by your silly post. What the mechanism that God used to put us here is infinitely less important than living our lives in imitation of the selfless love that Christ showed us.
Go take your Sola Scriptura and really LOOK! at the Bible. You might be surprised to find what isn't in there - including Sola Scriptura.
Catholic and proud fan of Darwin (the OS) DB
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Fail, what failure? Until one or another side gives up, no victory is permanent. This will be rammed home when the Netscape 6 Mozilla variant ships (as if the rebirth of Apple wasn't enough to beat this point to death).
BSD is likely to have more penetration on the desktop by mid 2001 than Linux because Mac OS is going to start counting as a BSD install come 1/1/01. Where it will stand on the server end is going to be the interesting question.
The first question shouldn't be who benefits (rich or poor) but is there a benefit? Is the proposed change going to improve things for some people over the proposed costs.
I would suggest to you that if we were to chop 15% off of medical expenses because doctors stop ordering uneccessary tests, the poor and middle class would benefit immensely. The problem of this insane tort system is that the costs are all too often distributed far beyond the ability of most to trace them and thus people assign blame inappropriately and choose bad solutions.
As for your suggestion that suits would not be filed by the poor, I think that you would find a brisk business being done in loans to the poor to allow them to sue. Nobody would grant such a loan in the expectation that they would lose it which would weed out the nuisance suits but they could do it in the case of true injustice and share in the winnings. The wealthy would, of course, self-finance and maybe some of the middle class but in all cases you would lose the attitude of "hey let's take a crap shoot, we can always settle for $100k".
As I said in another comment Microsoft shouldn't be broken up. Bill Gates and his assistants should be in jail for committing a massive and successful conspiracy to defraud computer ISV's among many others. MS would survive in one piece but the impulse to harm others would be deterred by the real threat of becoming a jailbird.
There are legitimate uses for the violence of the state but the list is very short and advancing the interests of corporations over individuals (or some corporations above others) is definetly not one of them.
IANAL but I believe that you have to know that it was false or have a reckless disregard for the truth. If he honestly thought it was true, he's pretty well covered from a perjury rap.
Actually there's a very good case to be made that MS is massively guilty of fraud. They lie to their ISV developers all the time. They say, here's all of the Win32 API, here's the exact same tools that MS has to develop so you can compete with us. It's a lie and they extract money out of thousands of software development companies because of that lie.
This is criminal fraud on a massive scale and a perfectly respectable libertarian response is to jail Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, and the other people who went along with this long term criminal fraud. You end up with MS in one piece but no more memos instructing people to break interoperability etc.
The problem with the Republicans is that they don't want to recognize that MS committed a crime. The problem with the Democrats is that they want to convict MS of the wrong crime. The problem with the Libertarians is that they don't have any power at all so that justice could be done.
Given that Office for the Macintosh is going to go to Carbon or Cocoa for the next version, it is likely to be trivial to make it run on other Unix operating systems beyond the Darwin based Mac OS X.
If Microsoft wanted to maximize revenue, they could always outsource the port to a software house that specializes in such things and just watch the checks come in.
... is that people like me (IT admin) are going to become annoyed enough about it all that we start recommending shifting out of MS software and into something where we only have to worry about the technology, not the license.
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Sure, but why would I?
DB
Well, if that's as close as you can get to understanding an omnipotent, omniscient, loving God, I'll take it. After all, I'm assuming that like most of the rest of us you *liked* Walt Disney.
God bless
DB
You are proving my point. I was saying that you can't copyright the Bible as in the original Bible because
1. It was written by somebody else
2. It is really old
As I already said, translations are different.
As far as a GPL or BSD Bible I wonder if you really understand how offensive that is. The Bible is viewed by believers as Divinely inspired. You can change things around but then it is no longer the Bible, merely a book that bears a resemblence to the original.
As for how peeved people can get, try looking up the history and responses to heresy. I'm not defending either side as Jesus is about love and fidelity to God not the auto de fe, but I suspect you didn't realize the extent of your flamebaiting.
DB
Let's say it slowly, "That dual Xeon system will be ... much cheaper [than a Mac]". What are you talking about? The MP Macs aren't out yet and somehow you know that the overpriced gold plate that is Xeon will automagically be superior in price and in speed.
Your upgrade options for old 486 machines at this point are to replace motherboard, CPU, power supply (486 power supplies aren't stable enough for Intel's current chips), in short, everything but the case and you probably will have to drill new holes in the case to accomodate your replacement motherboard. This is hardly a $100 upgrade.
DB
I would agree that Crusoe rules if the Crusoe in question is running a PPC firmware set and running Mac OS X
Yummy.
DB
"Can I bring my laptop?"
Yes, but you can only run one of the following operating systems
Windows 3.0
Windows NT 3.1
It is, after all, hell
DB
You cannot copyright the bible but unless you are publishing in the original greek/aramaic texts there is a translator's work in there. A translation can be copyrighted and very often is separate from the original copyright.
Though according to US law, the original copyright shouldn't have expired since the author (God) is not dead. His copyists, of course, have all gone to the great beyond.
DB
There is something out there that is not strictly technological, but also not marketing which I'm labelling the user experience. What's the value of a system where everybody uses the same clipboard, where all generic keyboard equivalents match, where all the little things fit in just so... This is obviously going to change from person to person but the artistic enhancements that separate Macs out from the PC crowd aren't marketing, they are physical aspects of the machine or they are methods of software interactivity that PCs just don't get.
There is something else out there, perhaps it's user experience, perhaps it's craftsmanship, I don't know how to come up with the right word but I *do* know that the innovation of the iMac is neither marketing or technology.
DB
Perhaps you didn't see it but what struck me as most clever in his response is what he did not say.
He did not make any refusals to do anything about Microsoft's demands at all. He did not say that Slashdot would comply or not comply. You cannot be in serious defiance of the law when you are making good faith efforts to separate out true, lawful claims from the false ones. IMO Microsoft made both and probably hoped that a panicked slashdot crew would just fold entirely.
Beyond the wise use of silence on matters that aren't ripe, he also asked several important questions to determine the legality of some of MS's demands, specifically, the demands to take down links and instructions on getting around the clickwrap license. There currently isn't any injunction filed, time is on the side of right and light for now so the more questions asked the better. The answers are mostly known from external observation but to bring them up now is going to aid in creating useful stipulations of fact later (i.e. when MS does get a friendly judge to slap an injunction on) when time is not on our side. Stipulations of fact take away territory that MS can use to delay when they have the upper hand and wish to drag things out.
All in all a good effort. Bravo
DB
It *is* innovative, just not in the traditional nerd sense. Making people feel better and increasing the universe of computer users through those non-geek innovations of enhancing user experience is an innovative process.
This impacts geeks indirectly, it's not a non-event. Every geek idea has to fight for a critical mass of users before it becomes commercially viable or at least interesting (imagine how boring slashdot would be with only 5 users 2 of them chanting hot grits). As the universe of computer users expands the number of applications/ideas/technologies that can reach critical mass increases and the entire utility of the internet increases as these computers come online.
DB
Honestly, could you give me an example of a low end consumer PC of any company that is innovative technologically? The high end is where all the new tech gets introduced traditionally.
DB
Do you really think that Steve Jobs will be junking the NetBoot technology that he hyped not too long ago? I don't think so. NetBoot implies a server. It may be the current Mac OS X client on steroids but there will be a Mac OS X server.
DB
You can't have your cake and eat it too. You certainly can have Apple quality components (after all these are commodities at this point)but do you get them at a discount to the Apple price?
What you don't get at any price without Apple is a bunch of flaming anal-retentives concentrating on all the little details to make the hardware/software combo work nicely together so you don't have to worry about it. Now some people put the value of that little fact at $0 and that's OK, that's not Apple's market. But for the other 95% of people it does have a monetary value and Apple's growing marketshare is demonstrating that it more than covers the price difference for like quality x86 hardware.
DB
The inerrancy of all translations of the Bible is simply not the case as any serious scholar could tell you. Early church set the canon and generally kept things stable until the protestants came along and threw out seven books! Even among protestants, there are many translation differences amongst the various denominations and that doesn't even go to the more unusual issues raised by the Mormons and the Jehovah's Witnesses (I would pay to be called on by both groups simultaneously).
Ignoring the wounds in Christ's body caused by the disunity of his followers is not fitting for a true christian.
DB
Actually, what got Galileo in trouble with the church is his application of his heliocentric theory to the Bible. He had ticked off a great many people (think Stallman cubed) including his greatest supporters, the Jesuits. All in all it wasn't the proudest moment of the Catholic Church which is probably one reason why they eventually apologized. The Pope (JP II) actually ordered the issuing of two commemorative stamps as I recall as penance.
W/regards to the torture statements, this happened in some cases but the relevant rules on such trials forbade it. Galileo was tried in Rome right under the noses of those cardinals who wrote the rules. You can be pretty sure (and most serious scholarship supports this) that they didn't do anything but go strictly by the book on procedural matters (including torture or threats thereof).
Galileo ended up under house arrest and was limited to one servant but had no limitations on visitors. Not good, not an acceptable imitation of Christ that we are called to do as Christians, but not the bloodthirsty, ignorant savagery that some people make it out to be.
DB
On marketshare, the numbers are clear it is just under 20-1 in favor of windows. Then again, last year, it was over 20-1 in favor of windows. The reality is that Apple is gaining in marketshare, in large part due to the iMac/iBook.
Now let me see if I understand your beef. You don't like the current crop of Macs because they are too similar to PCs? So you were buying NuBus slotted, ADB I/O, SCSI on the MB Macs before the changes? I didn't think so. The cost of peripherals was sky high.
As for Windows 98 driving USB sales I have one little thought to pop that bubble - safe mode.
It kind of blows when your USB keyboard won't register with your OS when you are trying to recover from a crash.
DB
The ultimate question is whether you can install Mac OS X on a Darwin system. If so, then any Darwin install (including alternate hardware ports) should be able to be upgraded. The higher level systems shouldn't be talking directly to the hardware at all and low level device drivers only need to talk to the already publicly available Darwin layer.
Then the question would be, if Apple doesn't want to let that happen, how would they stop it?
You bought the software, could Apple really issue cease and desist orders that would stick if someone figured a way to fool the installer?
DB
Get a clue! I'm not going to bother trumpeting my level of faith over yours but you do our Savior a disservice and drive waverers into the heart of the enemy by your silly post. What the mechanism that God used to put us here is infinitely less important than living our lives in imitation of the selfless love that Christ showed us.
Go take your Sola Scriptura and really LOOK! at the Bible. You might be surprised to find what isn't in there - including Sola Scriptura.
Catholic and proud fan of Darwin (the OS)
DB
Fail, what failure? Until one or another side gives up, no victory is permanent. This will be rammed home when the Netscape 6 Mozilla variant ships (as if the rebirth of Apple wasn't enough to beat this point to death).
BSD is likely to have more penetration on the desktop by mid 2001 than Linux because Mac OS is going to start counting as a BSD install come 1/1/01. Where it will stand on the server end is going to be the interesting question.
DB
The first question shouldn't be who benefits (rich or poor) but is there a benefit? Is the proposed change going to improve things for some people over the proposed costs.
I would suggest to you that if we were to chop 15% off of medical expenses because doctors stop ordering uneccessary tests, the poor and middle class would benefit immensely. The problem of this insane tort system is that the costs are all too often distributed far beyond the ability of most to trace them and thus people assign blame inappropriately and choose bad solutions.
As for your suggestion that suits would not be filed by the poor, I think that you would find a brisk business being done in loans to the poor to allow them to sue. Nobody would grant such a loan in the expectation that they would lose it which would weed out the nuisance suits but they could do it in the case of true injustice and share in the winnings. The wealthy would, of course, self-finance and maybe some of the middle class but in all cases you would lose the attitude of "hey let's take a crap shoot, we can always settle for $100k".
DB
There are legitimate uses for the violence of the state but the list is very short and advancing the interests of corporations over individuals (or some corporations above others) is definetly not one of them.
DB
IANAL but I believe that you have to know that it was false or have a reckless disregard for the truth. If he honestly thought it was true, he's pretty well covered from a perjury rap.
DB
Actually there's a very good case to be made that MS is massively guilty of fraud. They lie to their ISV developers all the time. They say, here's all of the Win32 API, here's the exact same tools that MS has to develop so you can compete with us. It's a lie and they extract money out of thousands of software development companies because of that lie.
This is criminal fraud on a massive scale and a perfectly respectable libertarian response is to jail Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, and the other people who went along with this long term criminal fraud. You end up with MS in one piece but no more memos instructing people to break interoperability etc.
The problem with the Republicans is that they don't want to recognize that MS committed a crime. The problem with the Democrats is that they want to convict MS of the wrong crime. The problem with the Libertarians is that they don't have any power at all so that justice could be done.
Politics can suck
DB
Given that Office for the Macintosh is going to go to Carbon or Cocoa for the next version, it is likely to be trivial to make it run on other Unix operating systems beyond the Darwin based Mac OS X.
If Microsoft wanted to maximize revenue, they could always outsource the port to a software house that specializes in such things and just watch the checks come in.
DB
... is that people like me (IT admin) are going to become annoyed enough about it all that we start recommending shifting out of MS software and into something where we only have to worry about the technology, not the license.
DB