If I take a Sears hammer, drive an extra weight in the end to give it better balance, does that make the underlying hammer mine? No. The individual hammer has to be bought or the design has to be licensed.
There is a progression of law in all aspects of society where unwritten customs get challenged by some asshole and then, in annoyance, things get hashed out and formal codes are developed. Most of these areas of human endeavor are so old, we've forgotten about when customary, unwritten, or common law was the only law around. But computers are a new field and MS is the asshole challenging the informal, low overhead system of everybody trying to adhere to the standards or at least not trying to wreck them.
Capitalism and communism are economic systems, both are enhanced or encumbered by whether an informal/formal legal system is used.
I think your mind is a bit on the short attention span side. Sticking to an OS for awhile is just fine and dandy but Mr. Gates doesn't like that and he'll try to make your life miserable as soon as possible so you start sending him more money.
If you are going to inhabit the MS universe, it's not a wise strategy to stray off the paths they set up for you.
At a certain point they are just not going to make Win2k stuff anymore. Just look at Win 3.1 for an object lesson on how far behind you can fall with that sort of strategy.
Face it, if you go Windows, Bill Gates makes it his life mission to get you to upgrade your OS. Steve Jobs, OTOH wants you to buy a new box.
Just make sure that your particular jurisdiction has appropriate laws. DO NOT reverse engineer anything in a jurisdiction where it is illegal. Of course that brings up the point, if the computer you are reverse engineering is in a jurisdiction where reverse engineering *is* legal, whose laws apply?
I'm sure that you could fix that with a dns hack, pointing windowsmedia.com to the site of your choice. Let's face it, no marketing scheme over the internet is safe from somebody who controls the physical box and the dns servers it points to.
Since IE 5 for Mac OS X doesn't seem to have a system registry (and the Mac OS X version would probably be the code base from which a linux port would be made), I would guess that a registry is unnecessary for IE.
Now the whole, XP thing is likely to be interesting, since this is the, what 7th Windows operating system (98, 98SE, NT 3.1, NT 3.51, NT 4, Win2k, ME) that is trying to match the stability of Unix. I wonder if they've made it this time.
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The NSA had its fingerprints all across several initiatives to keep encryption limited. That, IMO, puts them in my personal opposition.
Actually, for the really paranoid of mind, the backdoor hack might not be in this piece of code but might be spread across several major patches, sort of like what the satellite broadcasters did to the descramblers recently. I'm sure that patches are audited but how well are they regression tested?
Never think that *any* statement can't have a sinister conspiracy attached to it.
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And what makes you think that fascist organizations are ineffective at preventing nuclear war or invasion of the US? The effectiveness of the NSA at doing its job is completely unrelated to the threat it poses to our liberties.
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I sort of doubt that Apple to this point has any major drivers that don't already have teams on them. Some of the drivers were done in time, others were not. To add people to a particular driver team in order to speed it up so that cd/rw drives have a generalized driver is going to get you sub par results in terms of efficiency perhaps to the point where adding people makes the code come out later.
In your terms, I have X parallel jobs with X parallel teams on them. Y% of those teams are behind schedule so I should add people to those teams that fall in group Y and I will get an arithmetical improvement in efficiency. Bzzt, that's a recipe for disaster and very much the subject of "The Mythical Man Month".
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What I'm saying is that if the very drivers are the problem (as some of the rumor sites are saying), throwing more workers at that problem isn't likely to fix it. In fact past experience in the industry has shown that you are actually likely to get a slowdown as people have to take time to get the new people up to speed instead of coding. There's a religious war, but it's not OS specific.
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$1000 gets you the professional burner package which gives you the ability to burn commercial level disks. The MPAA would still have hives if it doesn't have some sort of copy protection.
Yeah, they could do a carve out but it would be cheaper, more permanent,do less self-inflicted damage, just to kill inevitable disclosure in the crib. That way the regular folk would just stop fighting them on the issue. Why leave an issue on the table when all of these lobbyists really don't care about inevitable disclosure anyway?
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"DVD playback and CD burning are so integral to Apple's current marketing that their lack suggests a deeper problem -- that is, there may be some technical reason that these things can't be done on the current release of Mac OS X. If it were just a matter of driver support, it could have been solved by throwing contractors at the problem. It may be something more architectural, something that was realized too late and that would have ripple effects throughout the system. "
Ah, throw contractors at a problem, Hah! With that attitude you probably think that 9 women can make a baby in a month. Try to dig up and read "The Mythical Man Month". It might wake you up.
Sorry, you're going to have to wait for MSIE to go to Cocoa, not Carbon to have a prayer of getting MSIE on even PPC Linux and even then you are going to have to get a very advanced gnustep running that mimics the vagaries of Cocoa.
What do you get out of OS X that you don't have in Linux...
MS-Office, Photoshop and a hundred other graphics applications, and a better graphics subsystem than X while also retaining the ability to run X and just about every other Linux app around (including the exact same JDK as Linux).
Learning the Gimp isn't going to get you past an art director who asks you flat out, "do you know Photoshop?" at the job interview. The Gimp's a great program and is perfectly fine to teach computer art skills for K-12 but you shouldn't strangle the teacher's lesson plan because you like or don't like an OS. That's bigotry.
If you look at the parent, I was complaining that it was wrong to lie about Windows and Mac, saying you can't do thin terminal solutions with them.
Nice attempt at changing the subject to money. To say that there are areas where Linux is not appropriate is not the same as to say that Linux is never appropriate. Obviously, budget constraints are a big selling point for Linux.
Actually, I was thinking about late high school. If I was concerned with elementary school stuff I would have talked about the lack of reader rabbit for Linux and, well, it escapes me what's lacking for mac in that arena but some windows head could probably come up with a title or two.
Now kids may not care about CALs but schools do and should. They are government entities and if anybody shouldn't appropriate software without paying it should be government bodies.
As for the inherent interest of one OS over the other, I would suspect that Windows would be very interesting for kids that like to make things go boom, and some of the things you can do with a mac and resedit are just downright diabolical.
While it would be a good thing to avoid specific applications for exactly those reasons there are two areas where your approach wouldn't be wise, for people who aren't going to go past high school but want to get a leg up into low level IT, learning MS-Office, Photoshop, and Quark in the 12th grade is a way to get the basic elements necessary to get hired at a starter job in 9 months. I also wouldn't handicap a teacher by saying you can't/shouldn't use windows if their lesson plans were developed around it.
Inevitable disclosure, if applied to high officials in government service could eliminate their ability to become lobbyists. File a few public interest lawsuits against Henry Kissinger, George Stephanopolous, and anybody else who trades on their inside government info.
I think you would be amazed at how politically unpopular inevitable disclosure would become, and very quickly too.
Actually, I'm suggesting that there are some situations where Linux is inappropriate for the classroom and that people shouldn't fib and say that a like solution is unavailable for other platforms when it is available.
A graphics class teaching photoshop can't use the linux solution. A business class using MS Project can't use Linux or Mac. Don't even think of mentioning WINE here as it's not stable enough to bet your class plan on it. In the end, an OS needs to not only be cheap, it needs to have the right applications. Macintosh happens to be my preferred middle ground (less expensive than Windows but runs most apps you might teach to in a school setting) but I could install all three solutions.
Nice FUD. Everybody expects the bugs to be worked out of the carbonized burner software momentarily and then be made available using iDisk (which coincidentally will shoot iDisk adoption through the roof). What other computer company gives you free disk space on their servers? With a reboot into 9.1, you can still burn disks for the few days while you are waiting for the software to be finished.
The part where you are attacking Apple for providing a user friendly transition to Unix without, for the most part, rebooting, was an especially cute bit of poison.
If it didn't run classic apps, you would complain about it. If OS X were to engulf the Mac OS 9.1 CD into its own code so they weren't seperable, you would complain (rightly) that this approach made it likely that there would be more errors generated by this unnecessary change. Take a look at the 680x0 -> PPC transition. It was the smoothest transition between chip families ever. Apple's doing it again and providing a superior transition on the OS side. Yet here you are complaining.
Thank you Mr. Exchange admin. As an MCSE, I'm quite ashamed that somebody could be so ignorant of statistics and still make it through training. Read my post again, I'm basing this on objective salary surveys that span years. Unix admins get paid more money. They always have. Linux is a good stepping stone to that highly paid Solaris, AIX, or True64 Unix job. The fact that you prefer your individual perceptions over industry salary surveys says a lot. Maybe you should go read "The Millionaire Next Door" as well. Ostentatious displays of wealth are atypical for those on the millionaire track.
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If I take a Sears hammer, drive an extra weight in the end to give it better balance, does that make the underlying hammer mine? No. The individual hammer has to be bought or the design has to be licensed.
There is a progression of law in all aspects of society where unwritten customs get challenged by some asshole and then, in annoyance, things get hashed out and formal codes are developed. Most of these areas of human endeavor are so old, we've forgotten about when customary, unwritten, or common law was the only law around. But computers are a new field and MS is the asshole challenging the informal, low overhead system of everybody trying to adhere to the standards or at least not trying to wreck them.
Capitalism and communism are economic systems, both are enhanced or encumbered by whether an informal/formal legal system is used.
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I think your mind is a bit on the short attention span side. Sticking to an OS for awhile is just fine and dandy but Mr. Gates doesn't like that and he'll try to make your life miserable as soon as possible so you start sending him more money.
If you are going to inhabit the MS universe, it's not a wise strategy to stray off the paths they set up for you.
DB
At a certain point they are just not going to make Win2k stuff anymore. Just look at Win 3.1 for an object lesson on how far behind you can fall with that sort of strategy.
Face it, if you go Windows, Bill Gates makes it his life mission to get you to upgrade your OS. Steve Jobs, OTOH wants you to buy a new box.
DB
Just make sure that your particular jurisdiction has appropriate laws. DO NOT reverse engineer anything in a jurisdiction where it is illegal. Of course that brings up the point, if the computer you are reverse engineering is in a jurisdiction where reverse engineering *is* legal, whose laws apply?
DB
I'm sure that you could fix that with a dns hack, pointing windowsmedia.com to the site of your choice. Let's face it, no marketing scheme over the internet is safe from somebody who controls the physical box and the dns servers it points to.
DB
Since IE 5 for Mac OS X doesn't seem to have a system registry (and the Mac OS X version would probably be the code base from which a linux port would be made), I would guess that a registry is unnecessary for IE.
Now the whole, XP thing is likely to be interesting, since this is the, what 7th Windows operating system (98, 98SE, NT 3.1, NT 3.51, NT 4, Win2k, ME) that is trying to match the stability of Unix. I wonder if they've made it this time.
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The NSA had its fingerprints all across several initiatives to keep encryption limited. That, IMO, puts them in my personal opposition.
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Actually, for the really paranoid of mind, the backdoor hack might not be in this piece of code but might be spread across several major patches, sort of like what the satellite broadcasters did to the descramblers recently. I'm sure that patches are audited but how well are they regression tested?
Never think that *any* statement can't have a sinister conspiracy attached to it.
DB
And what makes you think that fascist organizations are ineffective at preventing nuclear war or invasion of the US? The effectiveness of the NSA at doing its job is completely unrelated to the threat it poses to our liberties.
I sort of doubt that Apple to this point has any major drivers that don't already have teams on them. Some of the drivers were done in time, others were not. To add people to a particular driver team in order to speed it up so that cd/rw drives have a generalized driver is going to get you sub par results in terms of efficiency perhaps to the point where adding people makes the code come out later.
In your terms, I have X parallel jobs with X parallel teams on them. Y% of those teams are behind schedule so I should add people to those teams that fall in group Y and I will get an arithmetical improvement in efficiency. Bzzt, that's a recipe for disaster and very much the subject of "The Mythical Man Month".
DB
What I'm saying is that if the very drivers are the problem (as some of the rumor sites are saying), throwing more workers at that problem isn't likely to fix it. In fact past experience in the industry has shown that you are actually likely to get a slowdown as people have to take time to get the new people up to speed instead of coding. There's a religious war, but it's not OS specific.
DB
$1000 gets you the professional burner package which gives you the ability to burn commercial level disks. The MPAA would still have hives if it doesn't have some sort of copy protection.
DB
Yeah, they could do a carve out but it would be cheaper, more permanent,do less self-inflicted damage, just to kill inevitable disclosure in the crib. That way the regular folk would just stop fighting them on the issue. Why leave an issue on the table when all of these lobbyists really don't care about inevitable disclosure anyway?
DB
"DVD playback and CD burning are so integral to Apple's current marketing that their lack suggests a deeper problem -- that is, there may be some technical reason that these things can't be done on the current release of Mac OS X. If it were just a matter of driver support, it could have been solved by throwing contractors at the problem. It may be something more architectural, something that was realized too late and that would have ripple effects throughout the system. "
Ah, throw contractors at a problem, Hah! With that attitude you probably think that 9 women can make a baby in a month. Try to dig up and read "The Mythical Man Month". It might wake you up.
DB
Sorry, you're going to have to wait for MSIE to go to Cocoa, not Carbon to have a prayer of getting MSIE on even PPC Linux and even then you are going to have to get a very advanced gnustep running that mimics the vagaries of Cocoa.
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What do you get out of OS X that you don't have in Linux...
MS-Office, Photoshop and a hundred other graphics applications, and a better graphics subsystem than X while also retaining the ability to run X and just about every other Linux app around (including the exact same JDK as Linux).
DB
Learning the Gimp isn't going to get you past an art director who asks you flat out, "do you know Photoshop?" at the job interview. The Gimp's a great program and is perfectly fine to teach computer art skills for K-12 but you shouldn't strangle the teacher's lesson plan because you like or don't like an OS. That's bigotry.
DB
If you look at the parent, I was complaining that it was wrong to lie about Windows and Mac, saying you can't do thin terminal solutions with them.
Nice attempt at changing the subject to money. To say that there are areas where Linux is not appropriate is not the same as to say that Linux is never appropriate. Obviously, budget constraints are a big selling point for Linux.
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Actually, I was thinking about late high school. If I was concerned with elementary school stuff I would have talked about the lack of reader rabbit for Linux and, well, it escapes me what's lacking for mac in that arena but some windows head could probably come up with a title or two.
Now kids may not care about CALs but schools do and should. They are government entities and if anybody shouldn't appropriate software without paying it should be government bodies.
As for the inherent interest of one OS over the other, I would suspect that Windows would be very interesting for kids that like to make things go boom, and some of the things you can do with a mac and resedit are just downright diabolical.
DB
While it would be a good thing to avoid specific applications for exactly those reasons there are two areas where your approach wouldn't be wise, for people who aren't going to go past high school but want to get a leg up into low level IT, learning MS-Office, Photoshop, and Quark in the 12th grade is a way to get the basic elements necessary to get hired at a starter job in 9 months. I also wouldn't handicap a teacher by saying you can't/shouldn't use windows if their lesson plans were developed around it.
DB
Inevitable disclosure, if applied to high officials in government service could eliminate their ability to become lobbyists. File a few public interest lawsuits against Henry Kissinger, George Stephanopolous, and anybody else who trades on their inside government info.
I think you would be amazed at how politically unpopular inevitable disclosure would become, and very quickly too.
DB
Does this mean that GNUStep apps will be recognized as Cocoa apps on Mac OS X or did I get relationship between the two wrong?
Interesting.
Actually, I'm suggesting that there are some situations where Linux is inappropriate for the classroom and that people shouldn't fib and say that a like solution is unavailable for other platforms when it is available.
A graphics class teaching photoshop can't use the linux solution. A business class using MS Project can't use Linux or Mac. Don't even think of mentioning WINE here as it's not stable enough to bet your class plan on it. In the end, an OS needs to not only be cheap, it needs to have the right applications. Macintosh happens to be my preferred middle ground (less expensive than Windows but runs most apps you might teach to in a school setting) but I could install all three solutions.
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Nice FUD. Everybody expects the bugs to be worked out of the carbonized burner software momentarily and then be made available using iDisk (which coincidentally will shoot iDisk adoption through the roof). What other computer company gives you free disk space on their servers? With a reboot into 9.1, you can still burn disks for the few days while you are waiting for the software to be finished.
The part where you are attacking Apple for providing a user friendly transition to Unix without, for the most part, rebooting, was an especially cute bit of poison.
If it didn't run classic apps, you would complain about it. If OS X were to engulf the Mac OS 9.1 CD into its own code so they weren't seperable, you would complain (rightly) that this approach made it likely that there would be more errors generated by this unnecessary change. Take a look at the 680x0 -> PPC transition. It was the smoothest transition between chip families ever. Apple's doing it again and providing a superior transition on the OS side. Yet here you are complaining.
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Thank you Mr. Exchange admin. As an MCSE, I'm quite ashamed that somebody could be so ignorant of statistics and still make it through training. Read my post again, I'm basing this on objective salary surveys that span years. Unix admins get paid more money. They always have. Linux is a good stepping stone to that highly paid Solaris, AIX, or True64 Unix job. The fact that you prefer your individual perceptions over industry salary surveys says a lot. Maybe you should go read "The Millionaire Next Door" as well. Ostentatious displays of wealth are atypical for those on the millionaire track.
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