Now that THAT'S out of the way, I'll go on to say that I've actually tried Xfce (as opposed to just going out and looking at screenshots), and found that it does pretty much what it claims: it's an attractive, lightweight windowmanger that is backward compatible with kde and gnome.
In addition, it has the look and feel of cde. I don't care that much for CDE, but the dashboard is not always on top, it's easy to add apps to, and my newbie brother who just loaded linux on his old 233 doesn't have to sit around waiting for gnome to become un-io-bound.
If you want quick, out of the box ease-of-use and a desktop environment that leaves enough juice available on low-end hardware to do more than play with the perty widgets, check this out - and it's a hellofalot more stable than gnome on my (slightly) bigger iron, too.
I've nothing against gnome - in fact I rather like it - but it's got some distance to cover in terms of stability just yet.
Blessed Be
May the Force be with You
Live Long and Prosper
So what if you incorporated some armor for the harddrives, gave it mutliple independent processing modules, and clustered them all together making the robobrain a high availability application?
I don't think Micro$uck has a leg to stand on here. Apparently, -some- user they authorized to access the files in question has policies so lax as to allow them to post proprietary information to slashdot. It would seem that that user is compliant with the license in that regard. Consequently, that user has violated no precept of the security clause, and consequently slashdot is in no jeopardy.
That being said, fuck micro$quak.
Rob, stick to your guns, pal.
Now as to the debate over the kerberos extentions they did, it would seem to me that perhaps there is a demonstrable violation of the spirit in which kerberos was developed and deployed. If there is no legal ground by which they may be prosecuted, that's ok - time will prosecute them.
Their days are numbered, and it's their own doing.
Remember CP/M? It was squashed by microsoft; now its their turn.
Many have posted followups here mentioning that RAID 5 may not be your best avenue. To recap, this is because of the performance overhead associated with the calculation of parity data. Unless you have a reliability issue, RAID 5 is probably something to stay away from. An exception might be hardware RAID, but such solutions are expensive and will still involve a slight performance hit.
The multi-controller solution is probably best; someone mentioned the Sun StorEDGE product with the Cheetah drives. This is a great piece of gear, and coupled with some really good storage management software (might I suggest Veritas Software's File System/Volume Manager) you'll get a very flexible solution providing the most bang for the least buck. With the Veritas product you can manage the data on the fly over several drives, and monitor & tweak the configuration on the fly while in a production capacity; additionally, the Veritas product provides a journalled filesystem which will allow rapid restarts in the event of a crash and if you have the drives, can be configured to fail over to available spares.
Yes I am a Veritas Consultant =^) but that does not change the fact that this is an excellent product that would probably go a long way towards addressing your issues (which seem more performance oriented than reliability related) on your existing drives. Check out this link for more info: http://www.veritas.com/library/su/fsconceptwp.pdf
I have been using (and benefieting from) your work (and that of the linux community in general) for about six years. I'll take this sentence to say that the experience has been fantastic, from the first day; Thank You, and All.
My question is this: now that I've got a little experience under my belt, and I kind of 'have a clue', so to speak, where would you suggest I direct my efforts at this point to best further the effort? which is to say, what part of linux most desperately needs attention? I know quite a bit of perl, a lot of C, and never cracked the first book on C++...
If the various communities involved would take a little closer look at Richard Stallman's views, they might grok that software is stored knowedge, and not a product. The real value in the whole operation is the knowledge of how best to exploit the computer as opposed to software-as-product.
Fundamentally what the linux community has done is to demonstrate this fact - they've written a custom operating system collaboratively and modelled it on the most effective OS architecture to date: UNIX. Not only does it exploit the power of the hardware to the nth degree, it exploits the power of those who wrote it in a much more efficient way than any other operating system they didnt write ever could.
There's no denying that this has been headed this way from the first line Linus T. ever laid down. Its all been revolution against the powers that be from day one. An economic revolution.
UNIX is no longer the realm of the geek high priesthood. With linux, it's becoming a proletariat thing. And that's a good thing.
The success of MicroSoft is not due to the wonderfullness of their product =-p it's due to the sheer size of the market that mr. bill & co. have sewed up. This is the nature of the revolution: anybody can write software, and there's more than one way to do it.
This is as brilliant an idea as the NASA budget cuts are bad.
When will those beltway idiots get it? All of this came pretty directly from NASA. No doubt beltway idiots slowed it down a little with plenty of red tape and whatnot, but ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY came from the space program in one fashion or another.
What a bunch of idiots - worse, us for letting them stay in a position to do things of this sort...
I'm 36. I've been at it since I was 15. Didn't learn UNIX until my daughter was born about 6 years ago, and just at the right time.
I find I am in very high demand, and the forecast is that this won't change much for the next 36 years. I make great money, and its only getting better. Personally I think this is an urban myth perpetuated by people who are tired of acquiring new skills.
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Man, the signal to noise ratio in here sucks...
Now that THAT'S out of the way, I'll go on to say that I've actually tried Xfce (as opposed to just going out and looking at screenshots), and found that it does pretty much what it claims: it's an attractive, lightweight windowmanger that is backward compatible with kde and gnome.
In addition, it has the look and feel of cde. I don't care that much for CDE, but the dashboard is not always on top, it's easy to add apps to, and my newbie brother who just loaded linux on his old 233 doesn't have to sit around waiting for gnome to become un-io-bound.
If you want quick, out of the box ease-of-use and a desktop environment that leaves enough juice available on low-end hardware to do more than play with the perty widgets, check this out - and it's a hellofalot more stable than gnome on my (slightly) bigger iron, too.
I've nothing against gnome - in fact I rather like it - but it's got some distance to cover in terms of stability just yet.
Blessed Be
May the Force be with You
Live Long and Prosper
So what if you incorporated some armor for the harddrives, gave it mutliple independent processing modules, and clustered them all together making the robobrain a high availability application?
-V
Actually,
I don't think Micro$uck has a leg to stand on here. Apparently, -some- user they authorized to access the files in question has policies so lax as to allow them to post proprietary information to slashdot. It would seem that that user is compliant with the license in that regard. Consequently, that user has violated no precept of the security clause, and consequently slashdot is in no jeopardy.
That being said, fuck micro$quak.
Rob, stick to your guns, pal.
Now as to the debate over the kerberos extentions they did, it would seem to me that perhaps there is a demonstrable violation of the spirit in which kerberos was developed and deployed. If there is no legal ground by which they may be prosecuted, that's ok - time will prosecute them.
Their days are numbered, and it's their own doing.
Remember CP/M? It was squashed by microsoft; now its their turn.
-VideoRanger
Many have posted followups here mentioning that RAID 5 may not be your best avenue. To recap, this is because of the performance overhead associated with the calculation of parity data. Unless you have a reliability issue, RAID 5 is probably something to stay away from. An exception might be hardware RAID, but such solutions are expensive and will still involve a slight performance hit.
The multi-controller solution is probably best; someone mentioned the Sun StorEDGE product with the Cheetah drives. This is a great piece of gear, and coupled with some really good storage management software (might I suggest Veritas Software's File System/Volume Manager) you'll get a very flexible solution providing the most bang for the least buck. With the Veritas product you can manage the data on the fly over several drives, and monitor & tweak the configuration on the fly while in a production capacity; additionally, the Veritas product provides a journalled filesystem which will allow rapid restarts in the event of a crash and if you have the drives, can be configured to fail over to available spares.
Yes I am a Veritas Consultant =^) but that does not change the fact that this is an excellent product that would probably go a long way towards addressing your issues (which seem more performance oriented than reliability related) on your existing drives. Check out this link for more info: http://www.veritas.com/library/su/fsconceptwp.pdf
Good Luck!
-Videoranger
Alan,
I have been using (and benefieting from) your work (and that of the linux community in general) for about six years. I'll take this sentence to say that the experience has been fantastic, from the first day; Thank You, and All.
My question is this: now that I've got a little experience under my belt, and I kind of 'have a clue', so to speak, where would you suggest I direct my efforts at this point to best further the effort? which is to say, what part of linux most desperately needs attention? I know quite a bit of perl, a lot of C, and never cracked the first book on C++...
-videoranger
Hurts so good, that's what I say!
If the various communities involved would take a little closer look at Richard Stallman's views, they might grok that software is stored knowedge, and not a product. The real value in the whole operation is the knowledge of how best to exploit the computer as opposed to software-as-product.
Fundamentally what the linux community has done is to demonstrate this fact - they've written a custom operating system collaboratively and modelled it on the most effective OS architecture to date: UNIX. Not only does it exploit the power of the hardware to the nth degree, it exploits the power of those who wrote it in a much more efficient way than any other operating system they didnt write ever could.
There's no denying that this has been headed this way from the first line Linus T. ever laid down. Its all been revolution against the powers that be from day one. An economic revolution.
UNIX is no longer the realm of the geek high priesthood. With linux, it's becoming a proletariat thing. And that's a good thing.
The success of MicroSoft is not due to the wonderfullness of their product =-p
it's due to the sheer size of the market that mr. bill & co. have sewed up. This is the nature of the revolution: anybody can write software, and there's more than one way to do it.
This is as brilliant an idea as the NASA budget cuts are bad.
When will those beltway idiots get it? All of this came pretty directly from NASA. No doubt beltway idiots slowed it down a little with plenty of red tape and whatnot, but ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY came from the space program in one fashion or another.
What a bunch of idiots - worse, us for letting them stay in a position to do things of this sort...
I'm 36. I've been at it since I was 15. Didn't learn UNIX until my daughter was born about 6 years ago, and just at the right time.
I find I am in very high demand, and the forecast is that this won't change much for the next 36 years. I make great money, and its only getting better. Personally I think this is an urban myth perpetuated by people who are tired of acquiring new skills.
-da Video Ranger