They behave instinctively whereas humans are able to make decisions from reasonable thought.
There are things in the universe billions of years older than either of our races. They're vast, timeless, and if they're aware of us at all, it is as little more than ants, and we have as much chance of communicating with them as an ant has with us. We know, we've tried, and we've learned that we can either stay out from underfoot or be stepped on. - G'Kar
A bit early to be making predictions, isn't it? For all we know the GOP nominee could turn out to be some State Senator with no executive experience....
Obama didn't beat Hillary. Hillary beat Hillary. She and her advisers arrogantly amused that the primary process was a coronation and had no plan for the long haul. After they realized they were in for a fight they started making it up as they went along -- but by then they had too much of a delegate hole to dig out of.
Barlow also said that President Barack Obama's election, driven largely by small donations
Obama's election wasn't driven by "small donations". It was driven by the fact that the country was sick of GWB and the GOP. Any Democrat not named Jane Fonda would have won in 2008. Obama's fund-raising achievements were very impressive but I wouldn't credit them with securing his victory.
Timing is everything in politics. If John McCain had beaten Bush in 2000 he would have gone on to be President (and the last eight years would have been very different, but that's another discussion). If Obama had run in 2004 he would have gotten creamed.
You don't see the inherent conflict in relying on news media to expose governmental abuses of power when said news media is dependent on government to remain in operation?
I think a nebulous ideal good that has no specific benefit to society should be compromised in the face of a specific, demonstrable harm adherence to that ideal creates.
Using that line of reasoning we can gut the 1st amendment. After all, it allows the KKK to speak....
The actual evidence from history contradicts this belief.
That was the 50s and 60s. Today is the 21st century. Do you seriously believe that a business that put up a "No Negros" sign would remain in business very long?
Now, if you want to argue that there is some demonstrable good to society (that I admit I don't see) from allowing discrimination that outweighs the demonstrated harm
IMHO, the "demonstrated harm" is irrelevant. If you believe in free association then you can't condone a policy that compels people to associate with one another.
Businesses should be allowed to discriminate against black people. We have freedom of association in this country. That also includes the right not to associate. What are you so worried about anyway? No business that did this would keep it's doors open for very long. They would be boycotted out of existence.
BTW, I'm not a "Conservative", at least in the current American sense of the word and I'm tempted to tell you to go fuck yourself for questioning my patriotism. I didn't attack yours, why are you attacking mine?
What's interesting is that I didn't hear any of these leftists throwing around the 'S' word when Bush was in office and the progressives were musing about leaving the union.
I was just in eastern TN last weekend and saw a bumper sticker on a traffic light box that read, "Secession before socialism." I'm glad that the FBI is checking up on these things, because I have no desire to see any assassinations in this country.
Wow, the nerve of that person to exercise his 1st amendment rights by having a bumper sticker that you might not agree with. Pray tell, what does such a bumper sticker have to do with assassinations?
I'm also tired of hearing of people espousing sedition.
I have family out in Salt Lake. I loved it when I went out there. The air was a bit dry for my tastes (I think I had four nosebleeds in two weeks...) but I absolutely love your politics and the fact that I was able to carry my firearm wherever I wanted without fear of breaking some poorly documented state or local law.
WTF does any of what you just said have to do with the point that we can't trust the news media to be objective if it's dependent on the government to remain in business?
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They behave instinctively whereas humans are able to make decisions from reasonable thought.
There are things in the universe billions of years older than either of our races. They're vast, timeless, and if they're aware of us at all, it is as little more than ants, and we have as much chance of communicating with them as an ant has with us. We know, we've tried, and we've learned that we can either stay out from underfoot or be stepped on. - G'Kar
human beings have a propensity to violence.
And that makes us different from the rest of the animal kingdom in what way?
since 1994 when the republicans took over congress, we have systematically taken away governmental regulatory powers over the economy
Hey, who was the President from 1992 to 2000 that signed all of that into law?
I think the first debate should be whether the right should be given at the federal or state level.
I take it you've never read the 14th amendment?
If we find that the Feds need to do more, amend the Constitution!
Now why would you go through that silly process when you can claim that it's a "living document" instead?
A bit early to be making predictions, isn't it? For all we know the GOP nominee could turn out to be some State Senator with no executive experience....
Hillary blew it for Hillary. It had little to do with Obama. If Hillary had run a competent campaign Obama would still be a Junior US Senator.
Obama didn't beat Hillary. Hillary beat Hillary. She and her advisers arrogantly amused that the primary process was a coronation and had no plan for the long haul. After they realized they were in for a fight they started making it up as they went along -- but by then they had too much of a delegate hole to dig out of.
Barlow also said that President Barack Obama's election, driven largely by small donations
Obama's election wasn't driven by "small donations". It was driven by the fact that the country was sick of GWB and the GOP. Any Democrat not named Jane Fonda would have won in 2008. Obama's fund-raising achievements were very impressive but I wouldn't credit them with securing his victory.
Timing is everything in politics. If John McCain had beaten Bush in 2000 he would have gone on to be President (and the last eight years would have been very different, but that's another discussion). If Obama had run in 2004 he would have gotten creamed.
You don't see the inherent conflict in relying on news media to expose governmental abuses of power when said news media is dependent on government to remain in operation?
We ought not to weigh risks vs. rewards with regards to civil liberties.
I think a nebulous ideal good that has no specific benefit to society should be compromised in the face of a specific, demonstrable harm adherence to that ideal creates.
Using that line of reasoning we can gut the 1st amendment. After all, it allows the KKK to speak....
The idea that you have the right to non-association is nonsense.
False.
It would create segregated pockets within the country.
Those pockets already exist. They are just based on economic factors rather than racial ones.
The actual evidence from history contradicts this belief.
That was the 50s and 60s. Today is the 21st century. Do you seriously believe that a business that put up a "No Negros" sign would remain in business very long?
Now, if you want to argue that there is some demonstrable good to society (that I admit I don't see) from allowing discrimination that outweighs the demonstrated harm
IMHO, the "demonstrated harm" is irrelevant. If you believe in free association then you can't condone a policy that compels people to associate with one another.
If we can make fun of the POTUS
What are you, some sort of racist or something?
You don't have to tell me ;)
Since the troll you replied to brought up Israel it's only fair to make a joke about the school shooting holes in said laptops ;)
Businesses should be allowed to discriminate against black people. We have freedom of association in this country. That also includes the right not to associate. What are you so worried about anyway? No business that did this would keep it's doors open for very long. They would be boycotted out of existence.
BTW, I'm not a "Conservative", at least in the current American sense of the word and I'm tempted to tell you to go fuck yourself for questioning my patriotism. I didn't attack yours, why are you attacking mine?
I don't think you can claim that a "Secession before socialism." bumper sticker equates to giving the enemies of the United States aid or comfort.
Wide scale economic disaster is happening right now, largely as a result of too much government. Haven't you been watching the news?
What's interesting is that I didn't hear any of these leftists throwing around the 'S' word when Bush was in office and the progressives were musing about leaving the union.
It's called freedom of speech. Sorry if that notion offends some of you.
I was just in eastern TN last weekend and saw a bumper sticker on a traffic light box that read, "Secession before socialism." I'm glad that the FBI is checking up on these things, because I have no desire to see any assassinations in this country.
Wow, the nerve of that person to exercise his 1st amendment rights by having a bumper sticker that you might not agree with. Pray tell, what does such a bumper sticker have to do with assassinations?
I'm also tired of hearing of people espousing sedition.
This country was founded on sedition.
I have family out in Salt Lake. I loved it when I went out there. The air was a bit dry for my tastes (I think I had four nosebleeds in two weeks...) but I absolutely love your politics and the fact that I was able to carry my firearm wherever I wanted without fear of breaking some poorly documented state or local law.
WTF does any of what you just said have to do with the point that we can't trust the news media to be objective if it's dependent on the government to remain in business?