One could also argue that United Nations sponsorship of Israel represents an act of war against the entire region that didn't want Israel put there in the first place.
Rights, inalienable or otherwise, really don't mean a lot to the person holding all of the guns.
That's why the civilian population should be armed.
You can parrot on about your rights as much as you want, but they'll just shoot you in the head.
Yeah, they can shoot me. They can shoot my neighbor and his neighbor as well. Eventually though the population will start shooting back -- provided we are talking about a country where the population has already been disarmed in the name of "safety" or some other such nonsense.
It's not the fact that he didn't "take them on" that shakes my confidence. From the account of the incident that I read it wasn't as simple as him handing over his wallet and going on his way. He went with them off the main drag into an alleyway, surrendered his wallet/car keys/cell phone/etc and was then clubbed over the head and left for dead.
Anyone that would allow such a thing to happen to themselves while they still draw breath is not someone who has any business teaching self-defense. I would happily surrender my wallet to avoid a confrontation. I'd hand it over even if I knew I could win, because a wallet is not worth killing or maiming someone over.
I draw the line at going with them. If someone demands that you go with them you should fight as though your life depends on it. Whatever they intend to do to you they obviously aren't comfortable doing it in your current location. It's sheer dumb luck that the instructor lived through this incident. He surrendered control of the situation and left himself at the mercy of criminal thugs. The fact that he's still in business amazes me.
You carry yourself differently when you can easily rip off someone's ears and shove them in their nose
I don't know that I'd have that much confidence in karate. It's a great activity for the kids (builds self-confidence and discipline) and even adults (for the cardio workout if nothing else) but as a self-defense discipline many have found it lacking. Personally I felt like I came away with more from a single class of unarmed self-defense taught by ex-cops than I did from a year and a half of karate. Whatever confidence I did have in karate evaporated when our 6th DAN instructor got mugged by two teenage thugs armed with knives.
Faraday cages aren't exactly high tech and would defeat this also (if you wanted to abduct a kid a van with wire mesh on the inside would do just nicely).
Doesn't a Faraday cage have to be grounded in order to be effective? How would you ground a moving vehicle whose only connection to the earth is rubber tires?
Let's take an example. Who is responsible for keeping you safe from criminals? Most would say "the police". But are you aware that, legally, the police are NOT responsible for that?
Warren v. District of Columbia is a U.S. Court of Appeals case in which three rape victims sued the District of Columbia because of negligence on the part of the police. Two of three female roommates were upstairs when they heard men break in and attack the third. After repeated calls to the police over half an hour, the roommate's screams stopped, and they assumed the police had arrived. They went downstairs and were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, and forced to commit sexual acts upon one another and to submit to the attackers' sexual demands for 14 hours. The police had lost track of the repeated calls for assistance. DC's highest court ruled that the police do not have a legal responsibility to provide personal protection to individuals, and absolved the police and the city of any liability.
Cute, isn't it? The police "lose" the phone calls, don't respond for hours and then get absolved of all liability for the hell that those people had to go through. Remember that story the next time you are talking to someone who tells you that the police will protect you. They won't -- even if you live somewhere with a police force that's more competent than DC, it will still take them several minutes to arrive. Until they get there you are on your own. You'd best be prepared.
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Taking a gun to a political rally sends the message "agree with me or I shoot you".
It only sends that message if you are paranoid enough to regard anyone carrying a gun as violent enough to want to murder you for disagreeing with them. I've gotten into my share of arguments with people with guns (usually over their selection of firearm;) and I haven't been shot yet. Amazing, isn't it?
Personally I can't distinguish between someone with a political chip on their shoulder vs a complete nutjob.
Hint: The guy with the sign at the political protest is likely someone with a chip on his shoulder. The guy who asks you for directions to the book depositary is likely a nutjob;)
I do understand what you are saying but what do you purpose doing about it? Outlawing open carry? Good luck with that in states like New Hampshire or Arizona.
Who gives a damn who is organizing it? Why was "organizing" such a great thing just a few months ago when Obama was doing it but is suddenly a bad thing because the political opposition is doing it?
You're not being cynical enough.
I'm plenty cynical. I'm cynical enough to doubt that throwing a tens of millions of people into a broken health care system is going to magically fix it. If the Democrats had a single idea on the table that actually fixed our health care system then I'd be supporting them. But they aren't interested in fixing the health care system. That would require them to take on too much entrenched interests. Instead they are only interested in creating a new government program to fix the problem of uninsured Americans. That's a laudable enough goal but it simply isn't sustainable unless you fix the underlying problems in the entire system -- but as I said, they have no desire to do this. Hence my support of the opposition on this particular issue.
And also sorry to hear that to you, "speaking out" seems to mean "shouting loud enough so no one else can be heard".
Shouting is part of our political process. If you don't like it go somewhere else. Shouting is about the only way to get a gerrymandered Congress-critter who is guaranteed re-election to hear what you have to say. You got a better idea?
How insightful. Did you have to think real hard to come up with such a gem?
BTW, I didn't say I had any faith whatsoever. Find me a single case of someone being arrested under Bush for carrying a gun near one of his events and I'll shut up. Otherwise you are just blowing smoke and trying to distract from current events by beating the anti-Bush drum.
Fox is only "hate on demand" if you think opposition to leftist ideas qualifies as "hate". I haven't seen much "hate" on Fox. They certainly don't like Obama very much and aren't inclined to give him a fair shake but then MSNBC treated GWB in exactly the same manner, didn't they?
Personally I regard Fox more as a tabloid network than a politically biased one. I spent a few hours in the ER earlier this month where the only channel worth watching was Fox News. I wasn't paying that much attention but about 80% of the coverage consisted of stories and discussion about the Dugard kidnapping. Apparently they had found a bone in the neighbors yard. Nobody knew at that time if it was human or not but apparently this fact was worth three hours of prime time coverage and a few discussion panels.
Fox is a tabloid network first, an echo chamber second.
When you're carrying a gun somewhere that guns are not usually carried, other people think something's up.
Sounds like those people have a problem. Guns are "usually" carried almost everywhere in the United States. Grocery stores, public streets, shopping malls, restaurants, etc, etc.
While being part of a riled up mob -- threatening.
Do you have a single example of that "riled up" mob using guns to commit violence?
Personally I wouldn't openly carry under any circumstance other than hunting or competition (mainly because I don't want to give away the fact that I'm armed and become a target) but I'm not afraid of those that do.
Seriously, what do you think would have happened to someone carrying a gun and an anti-Bush sign anywhere within a mile of where Bush, or any Republican politician, was speaking?
The same thing that happened here: Nothing, provided it's legal to do so under the laws of that State. Sorry if that doesn't fit into your paranoia regarding the previous administration.
That's why I said he's a jackass. But I'm rather sick of hearing Democrats and their supporters condemning the people who show up at Town Hall meetings. I didn't hear any of this condemnation from them when left-wing groups exercised their 1st amendment rights while Bush was in office.
No one has a Constitutional right, 2nd Amendment or otherwise, to threaten someone else.
Carrying a gun != threatening someone else. A holstered/slung firearm represents no threat to anyone except hoplophobes that pass out at the mere sight of weaponry. If you have evidence that someone threatened another human being at a town hall meeting then I suggest you call the authorities and report it.
Go to a town hall, exercise your 1st amendment right of free speech. Stand outside the town hall and exercise your 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms. Sit in Congress and exercise your 1st amendment right to be a jackass.
Fixed that for you. Sorry if you find the political opposition speaking out to be inconvenient for you.
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One could also argue that United Nations sponsorship of Israel represents an act of war against the entire region that didn't want Israel put there in the first place.
Fixed that for you.
Rights, inalienable or otherwise, really don't mean a lot to the person holding all of the guns.
That's why the civilian population should be armed.
You can parrot on about your rights as much as you want, but they'll just shoot you in the head.
Yeah, they can shoot me. They can shoot my neighbor and his neighbor as well. Eventually though the population will start shooting back -- provided we are talking about a country where the population has already been disarmed in the name of "safety" or some other such nonsense.
Iran hasn't committed a war of aggression in more that 200 years.
One could argue that their sponsorship of Hezbollah represents acts of wars against Israel and Lebanon.
The United States government saying ANYTHING about Iran silencing dissent is hypocrisy of the worst kind.
What makes you think I have anything to do with the United States Government? Nice bit of redirection ya got there though.
It's not the fact that he didn't "take them on" that shakes my confidence. From the account of the incident that I read it wasn't as simple as him handing over his wallet and going on his way. He went with them off the main drag into an alleyway, surrendered his wallet/car keys/cell phone/etc and was then clubbed over the head and left for dead.
Anyone that would allow such a thing to happen to themselves while they still draw breath is not someone who has any business teaching self-defense. I would happily surrender my wallet to avoid a confrontation. I'd hand it over even if I knew I could win, because a wallet is not worth killing or maiming someone over.
I draw the line at going with them. If someone demands that you go with them you should fight as though your life depends on it. Whatever they intend to do to you they obviously aren't comfortable doing it in your current location. It's sheer dumb luck that the instructor lived through this incident. He surrendered control of the situation and left himself at the mercy of criminal thugs. The fact that he's still in business amazes me.
And if Iran was the USA, you'd have a point.
What part of "inalienable rights" is so hard to understand?
Jews control everything, didn't you know?
I thought it was the Scientologists?
You carry yourself differently when you can easily rip off someone's ears and shove them in their nose
I don't know that I'd have that much confidence in karate. It's a great activity for the kids (builds self-confidence and discipline) and even adults (for the cardio workout if nothing else) but as a self-defense discipline many have found it lacking. Personally I felt like I came away with more from a single class of unarmed self-defense taught by ex-cops than I did from a year and a half of karate. Whatever confidence I did have in karate evaporated when our 6th DAN instructor got mugged by two teenage thugs armed with knives.
Faraday cages aren't exactly high tech and would defeat this also (if you wanted to abduct a kid a van with wire mesh on the inside would do just nicely).
Doesn't a Faraday cage have to be grounded in order to be effective? How would you ground a moving vehicle whose only connection to the earth is rubber tires?
Let's take an example. Who is responsible for keeping you safe from criminals? Most would say "the police". But are you aware that, legally, the police are NOT responsible for that?
Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the pertinent cases on this subject. From the link:
Warren v. District of Columbia is a U.S. Court of Appeals case in which three rape victims sued the District of Columbia because of negligence on the part of the police. Two of three female roommates were upstairs when they heard men break in and attack the third. After repeated calls to the police over half an hour, the roommate's screams stopped, and they assumed the police had arrived. They went downstairs and were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, and forced to commit sexual acts upon one another and to submit to the attackers' sexual demands for 14 hours. The police had lost track of the repeated calls for assistance. DC's highest court ruled that the police do not have a legal responsibility to provide personal protection to individuals, and absolved the police and the city of any liability.
Cute, isn't it? The police "lose" the phone calls, don't respond for hours and then get absolved of all liability for the hell that those people had to go through. Remember that story the next time you are talking to someone who tells you that the police will protect you. They won't -- even if you live somewhere with a police force that's more competent than DC, it will still take them several minutes to arrive. Until they get there you are on your own. You'd best be prepared.
"If you spend all your time childproofing the world you won't have any time to worldproof your child."
I saw that in a sig awhile ago. Don't remember from who. It's a great one though.
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So just put up a EULA that forbids people from looking at the web page source code. Geez, do I have to figure out everything for you? ;)
Taking a gun to a political rally sends the message "agree with me or I shoot you".
It only sends that message if you are paranoid enough to regard anyone carrying a gun as violent enough to want to murder you for disagreeing with them. I've gotten into my share of arguments with people with guns (usually over their selection of firearm ;) and I haven't been shot yet. Amazing, isn't it?
Personally I can't distinguish between someone with a political chip on their shoulder vs a complete nutjob.
Hint: The guy with the sign at the political protest is likely someone with a chip on his shoulder. The guy who asks you for directions to the book depositary is likely a nutjob ;)
I do understand what you are saying but what do you purpose doing about it? Outlawing open carry? Good luck with that in states like New Hampshire or Arizona.
Look at who is actually organizing these things.
Who gives a damn who is organizing it? Why was "organizing" such a great thing just a few months ago when Obama was doing it but is suddenly a bad thing because the political opposition is doing it?
You're not being cynical enough.
I'm plenty cynical. I'm cynical enough to doubt that throwing a tens of millions of people into a broken health care system is going to magically fix it. If the Democrats had a single idea on the table that actually fixed our health care system then I'd be supporting them. But they aren't interested in fixing the health care system. That would require them to take on too much entrenched interests. Instead they are only interested in creating a new government program to fix the problem of uninsured Americans. That's a laudable enough goal but it simply isn't sustainable unless you fix the underlying problems in the entire system -- but as I said, they have no desire to do this. Hence my support of the opposition on this particular issue.
And also sorry to hear that to you, "speaking out" seems to mean "shouting loud enough so no one else can be heard".
Shouting is part of our political process. If you don't like it go somewhere else. Shouting is about the only way to get a gerrymandered Congress-critter who is guaranteed re-election to hear what you have to say. You got a better idea?
How insightful. Did you have to think real hard to come up with such a gem?
BTW, I didn't say I had any faith whatsoever. Find me a single case of someone being arrested under Bush for carrying a gun near one of his events and I'll shut up. Otherwise you are just blowing smoke and trying to distract from current events by beating the anti-Bush drum.
Fox is only "hate on demand" if you think opposition to leftist ideas qualifies as "hate". I haven't seen much "hate" on Fox. They certainly don't like Obama very much and aren't inclined to give him a fair shake but then MSNBC treated GWB in exactly the same manner, didn't they?
Personally I regard Fox more as a tabloid network than a politically biased one. I spent a few hours in the ER earlier this month where the only channel worth watching was Fox News. I wasn't paying that much attention but about 80% of the coverage consisted of stories and discussion about the Dugard kidnapping. Apparently they had found a bone in the neighbors yard. Nobody knew at that time if it was human or not but apparently this fact was worth three hours of prime time coverage and a few discussion panels.
Fox is a tabloid network first, an echo chamber second.
When you're carrying a gun somewhere that guns are not usually carried, other people think something's up.
Sounds like those people have a problem. Guns are "usually" carried almost everywhere in the United States. Grocery stores, public streets, shopping malls, restaurants, etc, etc.
While being part of a riled up mob -- threatening.
Do you have a single example of that "riled up" mob using guns to commit violence?
What's wrong with a political statement?
Personally I wouldn't openly carry under any circumstance other than hunting or competition (mainly because I don't want to give away the fact that I'm armed and become a target) but I'm not afraid of those that do.
Seriously, what do you think would have happened to someone carrying a gun and an anti-Bush sign anywhere within a mile of where Bush, or any Republican politician, was speaking?
The same thing that happened here: Nothing, provided it's legal to do so under the laws of that State. Sorry if that doesn't fit into your paranoia regarding the previous administration.
Yeah... and institute mandatory daily Two-Minute Hate sessions while we are on it.
Fox News is already on 24/7.
Keith Olbermann is doing his two minute hate sessions on Fox? When did this happen?
That's why I said he's a jackass. But I'm rather sick of hearing Democrats and their supporters condemning the people who show up at Town Hall meetings. I didn't hear any of this condemnation from them when left-wing groups exercised their 1st amendment rights while Bush was in office.
You forgot the <blink> tags ;)
No one has a Constitutional right, 2nd Amendment or otherwise, to threaten someone else.
Carrying a gun != threatening someone else. A holstered/slung firearm represents no threat to anyone except hoplophobes that pass out at the mere sight of weaponry. If you have evidence that someone threatened another human being at a town hall meeting then I suggest you call the authorities and report it.
Go to a town hall, exercise your 1st amendment right of free speech. Stand outside the town hall and exercise your 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms. Sit in Congress and exercise your 1st amendment right to be a jackass.
Fixed that for you. Sorry if you find the political opposition speaking out to be inconvenient for you.