Democrats, the party who WON'T let you vote as a form of punishment. Talk about a lot of kicking and screaming school yard childishness. Such a wonderful 2-party system we have in America. I'm just waiting to see who the Libertarian will be. Maybe there will be someone worth voting for.
I find it rather interesting that you are waiting to see who the Libertarian will be (hint: it's Bob Barr) because you are angry that the Democrats (and Republicans?) won't let people vote as a form of punishment. Last time I checked, the Libertarian Party just nominated someone without holding a single primary or allowing a single (normal) person to vote.
I'm kind of pissed at the DNC for overacting but if you want to have a primary process (as opposed to say anointing a candidate the way the Libertarians apparently do), then you need to have some sort of control over that process.
It may not be fair that Iowa and New Hampshire always get to go first but it's also not fair for a single state legislature (including Iowa and New Hampshire!) to try and put themselves first either. If the DNC and RNC allowed this to happen then we'd be having primaries in July of the proceeding year as opposed to January (which is already way too early).
She is now campaigning for the White House 2012, when McCain will be 76 and almost certainly showing it, and Obama the loser will be a lame duck.
Minor nitpick, but Hillary's seat is actually the one up in 2012, not Obama's. He would be up for re-election in 2010.
I'll have to check New York election law and see if she could run for Senate and POTUS at the same time. It'd be fucking great if she couldn't and was forced to choose between them.
2 people who vote for things they can't pay for.
I'm tending towards McCain
I find it ironic that you are worried about fiscal responsibility but are leaning towards voting for the man who intends to keep us in Iraq for the foreseeable future, which is costing us about $4,000 - $5,000 per second.
I can't pretend that my party has the best record on fiscal responsibility but it was Reagan and GWB that ran up the national credit card to previously unprecedented amounts.
I love it. I'm "against" Barrack Obama's, so therefore I MUST BE in favor of Hillary Clinton.
*shrug*, you reply to a discussion about the Democratic race, bad-mouthing one of the candidates without saying anything about the other, WTF are people supposed to think?
Maybe if Mike Gravel gains the Libertarian nod, I will vote for him.
Maybe you should try following the news, because the Libertarian 'nod' went to Bob Barr two days ago.
Gotcha. I have to say, you picked a great example in Access; I have seen more crap db design come from somebody that "knows databases, b/c [he] put together a library of my DVDs using Access". THAT definitely does not count for anything.
That's not as bad as the guy that "knows databases" because he put together a library of his DVDs using Excel;)
Exactly when did I say that? I said that I'm not going to be scared out of voting for Obama because of the fears of what some racists might do if he is at the top of the ticket. How the hell do you make the leap from that statement to "Your a racist if you don't vote for him"?
I guarantee that will be the cry if he loses.
What of it? The cry is going to be sexism when Hillary loses. That doesn't make it true in either scenario.
Some people believe in Manifest Destiny. I contend that the greater legacy would be halting Humanity, the Galactic Plague.
This is completely offtopic and I won't fault anyone who mods it as such but I've never understood this idea that humanity is some sort of plague on Earth or the Universe.
What makes humanity any different from any other life form that will expand as long as resources permit and do everything in it's power to eliminate/marginalize the competition? The only thing that separates us from the other apex predators is the human brain and the technological achievements that it has given us.
One of my favorite fictional quotes ever: "If there is one thing the history of evolution has taught us it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, expands to new territory, and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously."
Why is it a "good thing" if that life is a cute baby seal but a bad thing it's a human beings looking to expand across previously unknown frontiers?
How would you know? They're obviously not going to say anything.
Well, there's been a fair number of off the record interviews with Hillary staffers. There's also been a fair number of comments recorded by Hillary supporters -- not the least of which came from my Governor, whom said that she's acting pretty desperate -- hardly a ringing endorsement of her chances.
I think it might just be because American laws allow partisan hacks to be appointed to run your elections.
"American" laws is a misnomer. What many people (both Americans and others) don't remember is that the United States is a Republic. Each State remains a sovereign entity and has a wide amount of latitude (subject to the limitations of our Constitution) in how they write and implement their own laws.
Here in New York that embarrassment never would have happened -- at each level of our electoral process (from the polling station all the way to the State Board of Elections) we have at least two people in charge, one from each of the major parties.
I'm not sure that's the best system in the World but at least it recognizes that no human being is truly impartial. You won't see a Kathrine Harris in my state.
What about the Democratic love affair with John McCain? It wasn't uncommon to hear Democrats talk about how much they liked him and how they would even possibly vote for him. Now that it's game time, it's interesting to listen to the silence.
If the John McCain from 2000 was running he'd had a serious shot at my vote in spite of my support for Senator Obama.
The John McCain that we all know and loved seemed to have been replaced somewhere around the 2004 election. I stopped listening to him when he started kissing Jerry Falwell's ass and went on the campaign trail for the man that accused him of fathering an illegitimate black child to torpedo his chances in South Carolina.
(To be fair, I did start listening to him again when he stood against his party on torture -- but you don't hear him talking too much about that lately, do you?)
My point is, contrary to the "conventional wisdom", racism is still very well alive in the US.
Oh, I don't think anybody would honestly dispute that. We like to crow about how much progress we've made but anyone who isn't blind can see that racism still exists. I saw it with my own two eyes whilst campaigning for Obama and getting doors slammed in my face to the tune of "I'll never vote for that nigger muslim"
but the writing's been on the wall since she joined the Senate.
Don't remind me, I voted for her both times. Of course it helped that she was running against completemorons, but still..... wish I had voted for the Green Party guy in 2006. I did vote against her in the primary that year, for what that's worth.
it's obviously still a pretty big deal for a lot of Americans.
And it remains to be seen whether or not those Americans can actually swing the election.
I for one refuse to base my vote off of the fear of what racists might do. That Hillary is reduced to using this piece of FUD to make her case says volumes about how far she has fallen.
Both of these candidates, however, are abstaining quite a bit in the recent votes to avoid alienating any swing groups.
Could it be that those abstentions have more to do with being away from the Senate and out on the campaign trail than they do with trying to avoid alienating people?
compare him to FDR, our most facist dictator of a president - and the biggest failure
Yeah, I have a hard time sleeping at night whenever I think about all of FDR's failures. His failures were probably the biggest contributing factor to the Allied defeat during WW2.
Yeah well... Unlike pirating music smoking pot IS a crime
Actually, pot-smoking is not a crime. Possession of pot may be a crime, depending upon your state. Here in New York it's considered a civil offense and will cost you less than the typical speeding ticket.
Just because you want it to be legal to smoke yourself stupid and lazy to the detriment to society doesn't change the fact that your breaking the law and law breakers go to jail.
Just because you want to ride in the front of the bus and be treated like any other human being doesn't change the fact that your breaking the law and law breakers go to jail.
There, fixed that for you. And no, I'm not comparing Rosa Parks to pot-smokers (of which I am one) -- only pointing out the folly of your argument.
It's been a key factor in setting staggering fund raising records this primary.
Not to mention the behind the scenes stuff that most people don't see. They use that website (they call it MBO) for everything -- coordinating volunteers and logistics, calling voters, fund-raising, voter outreach, etc, etc, etc.
I've worked on a fair number of political campaigns in recent years and I've never seen one that leveraged technology quite as effectively as the Obama campaign. It was probably the margin of victory over Hillary -- especially in the beginning when nobody else had a clue how well organized Obama was.
Exactly. I swear, about the only thing that could take Obama down at this point, would be the revelation that he regularly attended the sermons of some preacher who, like, claims that the government engineered AIDS to wipe out blacks or something!
The fact that even that didn't "take him down" should be conclusive proof to anyone with a brain that Hillary's arguments don't hold water. How long can you keep claiming to be more electable with a straight face while losing elections?
The ballot that was designed by a Democrat and approved by a Democrat controlled elections board?
It doesn't matter who designed it. The fact that but for that ballot Al Gore would have won the state should mean something to you. Even Pat Buchanan had the class to say that he felt really bad about getting votes that weren't intended for him.
Gore lost his home state that had elected him Senator before
Yeah, Gore ran a lousy campaign. I fail to see how that has any relevance to the unfortunate outcome in Florida though.
Bush stole the election...
I don't know for a fact that he stole it or not. I do know that we'll never know the answer to this question. I do know that lots of people on both sides were more interested in making sure their man won then they were in counting the votes. I do know that elections officials acted more like partisan hacks then impartial judges.
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I find it rather interesting that you are waiting to see who the Libertarian will be (hint: it's Bob Barr) because you are angry that the Democrats (and Republicans?) won't let people vote as a form of punishment. Last time I checked, the Libertarian Party just nominated someone without holding a single primary or allowing a single (normal) person to vote.
I'm kind of pissed at the DNC for overacting but if you want to have a primary process (as opposed to say anointing a candidate the way the Libertarians apparently do), then you need to have some sort of control over that process.
It may not be fair that Iowa and New Hampshire always get to go first but it's also not fair for a single state legislature (including Iowa and New Hampshire!) to try and put themselves first either. If the DNC and RNC allowed this to happen then we'd be having primaries in July of the proceeding year as opposed to January (which is already way too early).
Minor nitpick, but Hillary's seat is actually the one up in 2012, not Obama's. He would be up for re-election in 2010.
I'll have to check New York election law and see if she could run for Senate and POTUS at the same time. It'd be fucking great if she couldn't and was forced to choose between them.
I can't speak for how black America would vote but Powell is one of the few Republicans that would have my vote in a heartbeat.
My political wet dream is him as Obama's veep for a unity ticket. It won't happen but we can dream, right?
I find it ironic that you are worried about fiscal responsibility but are leaning towards voting for the man who intends to keep us in Iraq for the foreseeable future, which is costing us about $4,000 - $5,000 per second.
I can't pretend that my party has the best record on fiscal responsibility but it was Reagan and GWB that ran up the national credit card to previously unprecedented amounts.
*shrug*, you reply to a discussion about the Democratic race, bad-mouthing one of the candidates without saying anything about the other, WTF are people supposed to think?
Maybe if Mike Gravel gains the Libertarian nod, I will vote for him.Maybe you should try following the news, because the Libertarian 'nod' went to Bob Barr two days ago.
That's not as bad as the guy that "knows databases" because he put together a library of his DVDs using Excel ;)
Exactly when did I say that? I said that I'm not going to be scared out of voting for Obama because of the fears of what some racists might do if he is at the top of the ticket. How the hell do you make the leap from that statement to "Your a racist if you don't vote for him"?
I guarantee that will be the cry if he loses.What of it? The cry is going to be sexism when Hillary loses. That doesn't make it true in either scenario.
The best judgment would have been not invading the country in the first place. So how did McCain vote on the authorization for military force?
This is completely offtopic and I won't fault anyone who mods it as such but I've never understood this idea that humanity is some sort of plague on Earth or the Universe.
What makes humanity any different from any other life form that will expand as long as resources permit and do everything in it's power to eliminate/marginalize the competition? The only thing that separates us from the other apex predators is the human brain and the technological achievements that it has given us.
One of my favorite fictional quotes ever: "If there is one thing the history of evolution has taught us it's that life will not be contained. Life breaks free, expands to new territory, and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously."
Why is it a "good thing" if that life is a cute baby seal but a bad thing it's a human beings looking to expand across previously unknown frontiers?
Well, there's been a fair number of off the record interviews with Hillary staffers. There's also been a fair number of comments recorded by Hillary supporters -- not the least of which came from my Governor, whom said that she's acting pretty desperate -- hardly a ringing endorsement of her chances.
Careful, that's a pretty big demographic to offend ;)
(Yeah, I'm going to hell)
"American" laws is a misnomer. What many people (both Americans and others) don't remember is that the United States is a Republic. Each State remains a sovereign entity and has a wide amount of latitude (subject to the limitations of our Constitution) in how they write and implement their own laws.
Here in New York that embarrassment never would have happened -- at each level of our electoral process (from the polling station all the way to the State Board of Elections) we have at least two people in charge, one from each of the major parties.
I'm not sure that's the best system in the World but at least it recognizes that no human being is truly impartial. You won't see a Kathrine Harris in my state.
If the John McCain from 2000 was running he'd had a serious shot at my vote in spite of my support for Senator Obama.
The John McCain that we all know and loved seemed to have been replaced somewhere around the 2004 election. I stopped listening to him when he started kissing Jerry Falwell's ass and went on the campaign trail for the man that accused him of fathering an illegitimate black child to torpedo his chances in South Carolina.
(To be fair, I did start listening to him again when he stood against his party on torture -- but you don't hear him talking too much about that lately, do you?)
Oh, I don't think anybody would honestly dispute that. We like to crow about how much progress we've made but anyone who isn't blind can see that racism still exists. I saw it with my own two eyes whilst campaigning for Obama and getting doors slammed in my face to the tune of "I'll never vote for that nigger muslim"
but the writing's been on the wall since she joined the Senate.Don't remind me, I voted for her both times. Of course it helped that she was running against complete morons, but still..... wish I had voted for the Green Party guy in 2006. I did vote against her in the primary that year, for what that's worth.
A lot of people who DO work for her think it's pretty unlikely.
You mean like how Hillary sucked up to them by saying that FL and MI "won't count for anything"? Don't take my word for it -- it's her own quote.
Planning for short-term gains at the expense of the long-term is precisely a quality I DO NOT want in a president.Then I'd guess that you don't want the candidate who ignored the caucus states and whom assumed the coronation^Wrace would be over on Super Tuesday?
And it remains to be seen whether or not those Americans can actually swing the election.
I for one refuse to base my vote off of the fear of what racists might do. That Hillary is reduced to using this piece of FUD to make her case says volumes about how far she has fallen.
Did you forget how the deregulation of the media and telecommunications industries were signed into law by President Clinton?
Could it be that those abstentions have more to do with being away from the Senate and out on the campaign trail than they do with trying to avoid alienating people?
Run for office?
Yeah, I have a hard time sleeping at night whenever I think about all of FDR's failures. His failures were probably the biggest contributing factor to the Allied defeat during WW2.
Actually, pot-smoking is not a crime. Possession of pot may be a crime, depending upon your state. Here in New York it's considered a civil offense and will cost you less than the typical speeding ticket.
Just because you want it to be legal to smoke yourself stupid and lazy to the detriment to society doesn't change the fact that your breaking the law and law breakers go to jail.Just because you want to ride in the front of the bus and be treated like any other human being doesn't change the fact that your breaking the law and law breakers go to jail.
There, fixed that for you. And no, I'm not comparing Rosa Parks to pot-smokers (of which I am one) -- only pointing out the folly of your argument.
Not to mention the behind the scenes stuff that most people don't see. They use that website (they call it MBO) for everything -- coordinating volunteers and logistics, calling voters, fund-raising, voter outreach, etc, etc, etc.
I've worked on a fair number of political campaigns in recent years and I've never seen one that leveraged technology quite as effectively as the Obama campaign. It was probably the margin of victory over Hillary -- especially in the beginning when nobody else had a clue how well organized Obama was.
The fact that even that didn't "take him down" should be conclusive proof to anyone with a brain that Hillary's arguments don't hold water. How long can you keep claiming to be more electable with a straight face while losing elections?
It doesn't matter who designed it. The fact that but for that ballot Al Gore would have won the state should mean something to you. Even Pat Buchanan had the class to say that he felt really bad about getting votes that weren't intended for him.
Gore lost his home state that had elected him Senator beforeYeah, Gore ran a lousy campaign. I fail to see how that has any relevance to the unfortunate outcome in Florida though.
Bush stole the election...I don't know for a fact that he stole it or not. I do know that we'll never know the answer to this question. I do know that lots of people on both sides were more interested in making sure their man won then they were in counting the votes. I do know that elections officials acted more like partisan hacks then impartial judges.