...fundamental privacy and freedom of speech rights, as well as fair use...
Is it really a violation of any of the above to punish someone who makes copyrighted works available for wholesale indiscriminate copying? I'm not talking about sharing a song or movie with a few friends, but about someone who runs a server with thousands of copyrighted items available to anyone in the whole world. People like that ought to be ashamed of themselves and are the ones that should be prosecuted.
...How do they suggest that these items generate income when its equally made available for free as a download...
Anyone who makes other people's IP available for free to thousands of downloaders en-masse, ought to be severely dealt with. Anyone who shares song or movie with a few friends or relatives should be allowed to. If I had a particular song which I want a friend to enjoy, I could e-mail it to them or give them a password to an FTP file, but I'd never allow just anyone on the Internet any kind of access to it. If the person really likes it they might go buy the song or movie. Why do people have to share their entire music library over the Net?
...I have a significant "investment" in software for my Windows PC--several thousand dollars worth of money...
Bad news for you! If the new "Longjohn" or whatever MS will finally call their new OS next year is going to be as secure as OSX is today, you'll be buying most, if not all of your software again anyways. Even their service packs generally break quite a few programs. Why not get TODAY what MS only promises for sometime next year? Of course there are still millions of people running Windows 98 or even 95 because they do not want to or can't afford to buy new software or hardware.
I believe Motorola and Power Computing in Texas made some boxes that could run either mac OS or the NT 4 server. Power Computing was bought out by Apple when they killed the clones. I don't remember what the models were however.
...but I refuse to buy a pricey, not as easy to upgrade mac machine with it...
I guess $500 is too much for you. Aside from more RAM what upgrades does a modern computer need? Need a huge 400GB HD for your movies? Plug one into a firewire port. Need a fancier mouse or keyboard -- plug it right in -- maybe you'll need to buy a USB hub! Want to play games? Consoles are much better and WAY cheaper than either a PC or Mac. The only reason to still run Windows is if you need some special vertical corporate programs not made for the Mac.
...The installer happily pops up a dialog asking for the admin pw to proceed...
Indeed it does, but in Windows the nasty just silently installs without the user having the slightes clue. Most Mac users are smart enough to be suspicious if they are unexpectedly asked for their admin password. Around here none of the Mac users even know the admin password and so they are pretty safe from crapware of all sorts. Any new toys get first looked at by a computer knowledgeable person before installs are allowed.
...A good example of that is Carbon Copy Cloner....
That is not a good example since that program is designed to copy the entire operating system onto another disk. It is not a program an ordinary non-admin user would run. There are other admin type programs also. What I'm taking about is ordinary programs for processing text, pictures, web pages, video, sound or even games etc. None of those kinds of programs need admin access once an admin has installed them for the user. I have a system backup program that requires admin access, but only if system stuff needs to be backed up or restored.
...only to place spyware in the registry... OSX thankfully doesn't have a crappy registry to get screwed up by malware. To install malware or run any app on OSX for the first time, the user gets a warning and can cancel the operation. On Windows the crapware just silently buries itself deep in the OS so it is almost impossible to get rid of. OSX doesn't supply nearly as many places where possible crapware can hide itself. Non-admin users on OSX can't screw up the whole system even if they dearly want to. If a Windows user is restricted from being an admin, many if not most programs malfunction.
You'll likely be able to get and old X-box *really* cheap to play games on after the new X-box360 comes available. Windows does cause cancer, but only to computers.
We also have problems with Macs, they are not perfect. The problems are normally not with the OS or hardware however, but with applications and peripherals.
My old PB Wallstreet came with 256MB and it was slow. When I added another 256MB to that, it made a big difference. I don't use it any longer though it actually still works, because its lid will no longer stay open without being propped up by a book or something and its battery is long dead. More RAM will generally speed up most any computer.
I still have an official MS CD disk of Microsoft Server with NT 4.0 on it for x86, Alpha and PPC systems. The PPC configuration it ran on however was not compatible with Apple hardware back then.
...Fact is, though, that if a platform becomes very popular...
That is an old saw! Since there are millions of Macs, there ought to be at least ONE or maybe even two malware programs out there for Macs in the wilds of the Internet. However AFAIK there are still ZERO such programs out there. There have been some theoretical vulnerabilities, but these were quickly dealt with by Apple before even ONE Mac user fell victim to such possible malware. Mac users are WARNED if any program (such as some malware) wants to run for the first time and can refuse permission. Also ALL ordinary Mac programs run without the user having to be an administrator. There are MANY programs in Windows (especially games) that will NOT work properly in a restricted user account.
Actually, you don't REMOVE them, but just disable them. They are still there, but no longer show up in your programs. I have indeed disabled a lot of fonts this way and have never had any trouble. The system runs a bit faster now.
Yes, you are a typical/. person, but could your parents have set that all up without your or any other computer geek help? If your Dad gets a new digital camera, do you think he can get it to download the pictures and start up a decent picture sorting and display program like iPhoto without your help? If he wants to connect a digital video camera to the computer and edit last year's vacation footage, will he need your help first? If he plugs such a camera into a Mac, iMovie comes up and he can control the camera and upload the footage, edit it and burn a DVD all without installing or configuring a thing.
....Mac OS X = more elegant, easier, but much more expensive...
Really?! $129.00 is more expensive than $199.00 for XP Pro? By the time you upgrade a cheap Dell to the same functionality of a Mac mini it will cost the same or more. If your time is worth anything at all, the Windows boxes are much more expensive in the long run just for keeping them reasonably free of malware. We have both macs and M$ systems and the latter take much more work to keep them running. We have NEVER had to re-install OSX because of some malfunction, but that's not true with Windows. Out of the blue the Windows boxes just refused to boot one day, not matter what we tried. If it had not been for that neat KNOPPIX boot CD we'd have lost our most recent data as well.
..I would say any machine that runs OSX with only 128MB of ram is a far cry from just working...
When was the last time that Apple sold a computer with only 128MB of RAM? Back in OS9 days? Are you so poor that you can't afford to put a 256MB RAM chip into your PowerBook?
So how is a non-geek user supposed to know which of the various flavors of Linux to get. Which one will work with no more computer smarts needed than to re-install Windows for the ump-teenth time? Will the hapless user get all their hardware peripherals, such as printers, cameras and MP3 player to work without knowing how to edit a config file somewhere?
...The general feeling by a few dozen Mac sites is that it won't happen...
Why should it EVER happen? Why would Apple adopt the aging x86 architechture over the PowerPC? Even M$ uses IBM's PowerPC type processors in their new X-box. The new Sony Playstation also uses superior IBM technology processors. Why is it that a thousand or more Macs can be lashed together to build a supercomputer for way less money than doing the same sort of thing with the always touted supposedly cheaper standard Intel boxes? Apple of course COULD port OSX to other hardware.
...i didn't spend a nickel on anti-malware programs either, avg anti-virus and ad-aware are both free...
No they are NOT free, unless your time is free. Maybe your time is free to you, but not to your boss or your boss's IT person. I just bought a new Honda and it has all the things you mention as standard equipment, all as part of the car. In fact I was quite embarrassed for a few moments while I figured out how to shut up that darn blaring security alarm it comes with. Sure, the cost of these items are included in the price of the car -- so what? I did not have to buy and install any of them extra. So MS could include decent security also for the exorbitant price they charge for their software. All that security comes out of the box when you buy the $129.00 OSX 10.4 from Apple. Why not have a secure OS for the $199.00 XP Professional from M$? For that same $199.00 M$ charges we can legally install the OSX on up to 5 computers and they don't have to phone home for activation each time I install a new HD or other major upgrade. By the way, we also have some Windows computers, which we DO have to watch like a hawk to keep them secure.
... if she doesn't have a firewall and a virus scanner, then she needs to be slapped and told to stop doing whatever she's doing...
The Intel guy is right. I don't have a firewall other than what comes with my Mac and I have NEVER spent a nickel on anti-malware programs of any kind. A good consumer computer should be secure out of the box, like a Mac generally is. Every car comes with good locks and other anti-theft systems. Should a consumer have those install those themselves? Why can't the richest man on Earth deliver a safe, secure computing experience to people like Mr. Otellini's daughter?
If she had a Mac and did not know the admin password, she could not screw up the entire computer even if her life depended on in short, of hitting it with a hammer or throwing it out of a third floor window, ie. physically assaulting it. She might manage to mess up some of her files, but the system itself would keep running just fine.
If MS and all the other computer makers were held liable in court for their crapware, the way car makers and makers of most other CONSUMER goods are, the security problem would have been solved long ago. Of course so far, a BSOD has not resulted in the death or injury of anyone AFIK, except possibly to a few computers bashed in by irate users that just lost large amounts of hard work to a crash.
No you wouldn't! Nobody can be legally forced to give evidence that would incriminate themselves. Even if the judge ordered the defendant to give up the keys and the defendant refused to obey, the worst the judge could do is to hold the defendant in contempt. If it was a capitl case, whatever punishment the judge could impose for contempt would be still far less than getting convicted and executed based on the evidence withheld. In this case of course the defandant was convicted by evidence external to the encrypted information.
No one has ever made a physical safe that could not be broken into, but some encryption is considered unbreakable at least for now.
In other countries of course the police will beat the information out of you and summarily shoot you.
In my post I never mentioned the birth of Jesus as the start of our calendar, only the "time" of His appearing.
Actually the scripture you listed is nothing more than a list of unclean animals, including certain birds. You are making the assumption that just because the bat appears listed in a list of birds it must therefore also be a bird. It does not explicitly state that the bat is a bird. Also, some creatures names are quite difficult to ascertain as to what today's equivalents are. Can you tell what the "Leviathan" listed in the Book of Job 41 really is? From its description there it sounds very much like the description of what modern scientists call a dinosuars, specifically a Stegosurus. This means either that dinosuars were still around in Job's day or when the book was written or it refers to some creature we don't know about at all today.
I could give you many examples of prophecy, but since this is/. I'll give you one for other readers of this forum to ponder also.
For centuries scholars have scratched their collective heads over Revelation 13:16-17 concerning the "mark of the beast". No one could imagine how trade could be prevented unless a person had some sort of identifier, a mandatory "mark". Only the modern computers and their networks have now made such a thing possible to be fulfilled. Notice it says IN the right hand or IN the forehead for the location of the mark. For animals the insertion of a small electronic chip under their skin has been done for a while already. Whether this ID device will be some kind of RFID thing or whatever is not yet clear. One thing is clear and that is the fact that the technology to uniquely identifiy every human being on Earth exists today and will someday be used.
Even today, try to get a job or bank account, healthcare, travel or deal with the IRS without your SS number. There is already talk of a cashless society.
Another set of striking prophecies in scripture are about Israel and specifically about Jerusalem. Look in Zecheriah 12:3 for example. Why is it that Israel, that tiny nation is so often in the headlines? it doesn't even have any oil to fight about! Why is Jerusalem such a contentions town, where the building of a new subdivision makes headlines and threatens world peace? It is certainly not a very impressive in size or almost any way you might measure a city. The Bible tells us that God has chosen that particular piece of real estate for the place from which Jesus Christ will someday rule the whole Earth. Why have the 45 or more million Arabs and other Muslim enemies not been able to "push the only 3 million or so Jews into the sea"? Could it be that the God who authored the Bible has protected them from extermination and assimilation just as it is written in his book that he would do? On the face of it, Israels's return from world wide exile is also rather insane, but it happened and world events will increasingly focus around them in particular and that part of the world in general.
The last battle of the final war in history will take place in a valley only a few miles from Jerusalem. Jesus tells us in Matt 24 that if God did not intervene, the human race would be exterminated. Such an extermination of all of humanity was not possible when Jesus uttered this, but with WMDs now in existence it is certainly conceivable.
...long as the system CFS is accessed from is not compromised with a key logger...
the Apple OSX keychain system uses the user login password to unlock the keychain which contains the encrypted passwords to other accounts and websites. To install a key logger would require the remote hacker to trick an administrator user to allow the install into the system itself. A keylogger installed in an ordinary non-admin OSX account would not do much, since the keylogger would not run until after the user logs into his/her account. Bank and other Internet passwords are then supplied by the keychain, not from the keyboard, so the keylogger would have to somehow be able to intercept those also. Having to frequently change the password would reduce this security against a keylogger, because the user would need to periodically re-type the passwords into the keychain, giving a surreptitiously installed keylogger the new password. In the end, requiring routine password changes reduces security against such keylog programs.
I have a cheap, credit card sized pocket calculator to generate a number to use as a password along with a letter or two. For example someone having a birthday on August 13 might use the password A13 as being the letter A in front of the square root of that day using 5 to 7 digits which you type into the computer as: A3605551 for example. If the system allows periods you can use the decimal point also. Someone who knows your birthdate would still also have to know the square root secret and have a calculator handy.
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...fundamental privacy and freedom of speech rights, as well as fair use...
Is it really a violation of any of the above to punish someone who makes copyrighted works available for wholesale indiscriminate copying? I'm not talking about sharing a song or movie with a few friends, but about someone who runs a server with thousands of copyrighted items available to anyone in the whole world. People like that ought to be ashamed of themselves and are the ones that should be prosecuted.
...How do they suggest that these items generate income when its equally made available for free as a download...
Anyone who makes other people's IP available for free to thousands of downloaders en-masse, ought to be severely dealt with. Anyone who shares song or movie with a few friends or relatives should be allowed to. If I had a particular song which I want a friend to enjoy, I could e-mail it to them or give them a password to an FTP file, but I'd never allow just anyone on the Internet any kind of access to it. If the person really likes it they might go buy the song or movie. Why do people have to share their entire music library over the Net?
...I have a significant "investment" in software for my Windows PC--several thousand dollars worth of money...
Bad news for you! If the new "Longjohn" or whatever MS will finally call their new OS next year is going to be as secure as OSX is today, you'll be buying most, if not all of your software again anyways. Even their service packs generally break quite a few programs. Why not get TODAY what MS only promises for sometime next year? Of course there are still millions of people running Windows 98 or even 95 because they do not want to or can't afford to buy new software or hardware.
.. or a data base?...
Filemaker, and Apple spin off is a very nice relational data base available for both Macs and Windows.
I believe Motorola and Power Computing in Texas made some boxes that could run either mac OS or the NT 4 server. Power Computing was bought out by Apple when they killed the clones. I don't remember what the models were however.
...but I refuse to buy a pricey, not as easy to upgrade mac machine with it...
I guess $500 is too much for you. Aside from more RAM what upgrades does a modern computer need? Need a huge 400GB HD for your movies? Plug one into a firewire port. Need a fancier mouse or keyboard -- plug it right in -- maybe you'll need to buy a USB hub! Want to play games? Consoles are much better and WAY cheaper than either a PC or Mac. The only reason to still run Windows is if you need some special vertical corporate programs not made for the Mac.
...The installer happily pops up a dialog asking for the admin pw to proceed...
Indeed it does, but in Windows the nasty just silently installs without the user having the slightes clue. Most Mac users are smart enough to be suspicious if they are unexpectedly asked for their admin password. Around here none of the Mac users even know the admin password and so they are pretty safe from crapware of all sorts. Any new toys get first looked at by a computer knowledgeable person before installs are allowed.
...A good example of that is Carbon Copy Cloner....
That is not a good example since that program is designed to copy the entire operating system onto another disk. It is not a program an ordinary non-admin user would run. There are other admin type programs also. What I'm taking about is ordinary programs for processing text, pictures, web pages, video, sound or even games etc. None of those kinds of programs need admin access once an admin has installed them for the user. I have a system backup program that requires admin access, but only if system stuff needs to be backed up or restored.
...only to place spyware in the registry...
OSX thankfully doesn't have a crappy registry to get screwed up by malware. To install malware or run any app on OSX for the first time, the user gets a warning and can cancel the operation. On Windows the crapware just silently buries itself deep in the OS so it is almost impossible to get rid of. OSX doesn't supply nearly as many places where possible crapware can hide itself. Non-admin users on OSX can't screw up the whole system even if they dearly want to. If a Windows user is restricted from being an admin, many if not most programs malfunction.
...I like playing games...
You'll likely be able to get and old X-box *really* cheap to play games on after the new X-box360 comes available. Windows does cause cancer, but only to computers.
...we do have problems with Macs...
We also have problems with Macs, they are not perfect. The problems are normally not with the OS or hardware however, but with applications and peripherals.
Interesting...
My old PB Wallstreet came with 256MB and it was slow. When I added another 256MB to that, it made a big difference. I don't use it any longer though it actually still works, because its lid will no longer stay open without being propped up by a book or something and its battery is long dead. More RAM will generally speed up most any computer.
...heard rumors that NT once ran on PPC...
I still have an official MS CD disk of Microsoft Server with NT 4.0 on it for x86, Alpha and PPC systems. The PPC configuration it ran on however was not compatible with Apple hardware back then.
...Fact is, though, that if a platform becomes very popular...
That is an old saw! Since there are millions of Macs, there ought to be at least ONE or maybe even two malware programs out there for Macs in the wilds of the Internet. However AFAIK there are still ZERO such programs out there. There have been some theoretical vulnerabilities, but these were quickly dealt with by Apple before even ONE Mac user fell victim to such possible malware. Mac users are WARNED if any program (such as some malware) wants to run for the first time and can refuse permission. Also ALL ordinary Mac programs run without the user having to be an administrator. There are MANY programs in Windows (especially games) that will NOT work properly in a restricted user account.
...to remove them with Font Book...
Actually, you don't REMOVE them, but just disable them. They are still there, but no longer show up in your programs. I have indeed disabled a lot of fonts this way and have never had any trouble. The system runs a bit faster now.
...I switched my folks...
/. person, but could your parents have set that all up without your or any other computer geek help? If your Dad gets a new digital camera, do you think he can get it to download the pictures and start up a decent picture sorting and display program like iPhoto without your help? If he wants to connect a digital video camera to the computer and edit last year's vacation footage, will he need your help first? If he plugs such a camera into a Mac, iMovie comes up and he can control the camera and upload the footage, edit it and burn a DVD all without installing or configuring a thing.
Yes, you are a typical
....Mac OS X = more elegant, easier, but much more expensive...
Really?! $129.00 is more expensive than $199.00 for XP Pro? By the time you upgrade a cheap Dell to the same functionality of a Mac mini it will cost the same or more. If your time is worth anything at all, the Windows boxes are much more expensive in the long run just for keeping them reasonably free of malware. We have both macs and M$ systems and the latter take much more work to keep them running. We have NEVER had to re-install OSX because of some malfunction, but that's not true with Windows. Out of the blue the Windows boxes just refused to boot one day, not matter what we tried. If it had not been for that neat KNOPPIX boot CD we'd have lost our most recent data as well.
..I would say any machine that runs OSX with only 128MB of ram is a far cry from just working...
When was the last time that Apple sold a computer with only 128MB of RAM? Back in OS9 days? Are you so poor that you can't afford to put a 256MB RAM chip into your PowerBook?
So how is a non-geek user supposed to know which of the various flavors of Linux to get. Which one will work with no more computer smarts needed than to re-install Windows for the ump-teenth time? Will the hapless user get all their hardware peripherals, such as printers, cameras and MP3 player to work without knowing how to edit a config file somewhere?
...The general feeling by a few dozen Mac sites is that it won't happen...
Why should it EVER happen? Why would Apple adopt the aging x86 architechture over the PowerPC? Even M$ uses IBM's PowerPC type processors in their new X-box. The new Sony Playstation also uses superior IBM technology processors. Why is it that a thousand or more Macs can be lashed together to build a supercomputer for way less money than doing the same sort of thing with the always touted supposedly cheaper standard Intel boxes? Apple of course COULD port OSX to other hardware.
...i didn't spend a nickel on anti-malware programs either, avg anti-virus and ad-aware are both free...
No they are NOT free, unless your time is free. Maybe your time is free to you, but not to your boss or your boss's IT person. I just bought a new Honda and it has all the things you mention as standard equipment, all as part of the car. In fact I was quite embarrassed for a few moments while I figured out how to shut up that darn blaring security alarm it comes with. Sure, the cost of these items are included in the price of the car -- so what? I did not have to buy and install any of them extra. So MS could include decent security also for the exorbitant price they charge for their software. All that security comes out of the box when you buy the $129.00 OSX 10.4 from Apple. Why not have a secure OS for the $199.00 XP Professional from M$? For that same $199.00 M$ charges we can legally install the OSX on up to 5 computers and they don't have to phone home for activation each time I install a new HD or other major upgrade. By the way, we also have some Windows computers, which we DO have to watch like a hawk to keep them secure.
... if she doesn't have a firewall and a virus scanner, then she needs to be slapped and told to stop doing whatever she's doing...
The Intel guy is right. I don't have a firewall other than what comes with my Mac and I have NEVER spent a nickel on anti-malware programs of any kind. A good consumer computer should be secure out of the box, like a Mac generally is. Every car comes with good locks and other anti-theft systems. Should a consumer have those install those themselves? Why can't the richest man on Earth deliver a safe, secure computing experience to people like Mr. Otellini's daughter?
If she had a Mac and did not know the admin password, she could not screw up the entire computer even if her life depended on in short, of hitting it with a hammer or throwing it out of a third floor window, ie. physically assaulting it. She might manage to mess up some of her files, but the system itself would keep running just fine.
If MS and all the other computer makers were held liable in court for their crapware, the way car makers and makers of most other CONSUMER goods are, the security problem would have been solved long ago. Of course so far, a BSOD has not resulted in the death or injury of anyone AFIK, except possibly to a few computers bashed in by irate users that just lost large amounts of hard work to a crash.
... you would have to turn over the key...
No you wouldn't! Nobody can be legally forced to give evidence that would incriminate themselves. Even if the judge ordered the defendant to give up the keys and the defendant refused to obey, the worst the judge could do is to hold the defendant in contempt. If it was a capitl case, whatever punishment the judge could impose for contempt would be still far less than getting convicted and executed based on the evidence withheld. In this case of course the defandant was convicted by evidence external to the encrypted information.
No one has ever made a physical safe that could not be broken into, but some encryption is considered unbreakable at least for now.
In other countries of course the police will beat the information out of you and summarily shoot you.
In my post I never mentioned the birth of Jesus as the start of our calendar, only the "time" of His appearing.
/. I'll give you one for other readers of this forum to ponder also.
Actually the scripture you listed is nothing more than a list of unclean animals, including certain birds. You are making the assumption that just because the bat appears listed in a list of birds it must therefore also be a bird. It does not explicitly state that the bat is a bird. Also, some creatures names are quite difficult to ascertain as to what today's equivalents are. Can you tell what the "Leviathan" listed in the Book of Job 41 really is? From its description there it sounds very much like the description of what modern scientists call a dinosuars, specifically a Stegosurus. This means either that dinosuars were still around in Job's day or when the book was written or it refers to some creature we don't know about at all today.
I could give you many examples of prophecy, but since this is
For centuries scholars have scratched their collective heads over Revelation 13:16-17 concerning the "mark of the beast". No one could imagine how trade could be prevented unless a person had some sort of identifier, a mandatory "mark". Only the modern computers and their networks have now made such a thing possible to be fulfilled. Notice it says IN the right hand or IN the forehead for the location of the mark. For animals the insertion of a small electronic chip under their skin has been done for a while already. Whether this ID device will be some kind of RFID thing or whatever is not yet clear. One thing is clear and that is the fact that the technology to uniquely identifiy every human being on Earth exists today and will someday be used.
Even today, try to get a job or bank account, healthcare, travel or deal with the IRS without your SS number. There is already talk of a cashless society.
Another set of striking prophecies in scripture are about Israel and specifically about Jerusalem. Look in Zecheriah 12:3 for example. Why is it that Israel, that tiny nation is so often in the headlines? it doesn't even have any oil to fight about! Why is Jerusalem such a contentions town, where the building of a new subdivision makes headlines and threatens world peace? It is certainly not a very impressive in size or almost any way you might measure a city. The Bible tells us that God has chosen that particular piece of real estate for the place from which Jesus Christ will someday rule the whole Earth. Why have the 45 or more million Arabs and other Muslim enemies not been able to "push the only 3 million or so Jews into the sea"? Could it be that the God who authored the Bible has protected them from extermination and assimilation just as it is written in his book that he would do? On the face of it, Israels's return from world wide exile is also rather insane, but it happened and world events will increasingly focus around them in particular and that part of the world in general.
The last battle of the final war in history will take place in a valley only a few miles from Jerusalem. Jesus tells us in Matt 24 that if God did not intervene, the human race would be exterminated. Such an extermination of all of humanity was not possible when Jesus uttered this, but with WMDs now in existence it is certainly conceivable.
...long as the system CFS is accessed from is not compromised with a key logger...
the Apple OSX keychain system uses the user login password to unlock the keychain which contains the encrypted passwords to other accounts and websites. To install a key logger would require the remote hacker to trick an administrator user to allow the install into the system itself. A keylogger installed in an ordinary non-admin OSX account would not do much, since the keylogger would not run until after the user logs into his/her account. Bank and other Internet passwords are then supplied by the keychain, not from the keyboard, so the keylogger would have to somehow be able to intercept those also. Having to frequently change the password would reduce this security against a keylogger, because the user would need to periodically re-type the passwords into the keychain, giving a surreptitiously installed keylogger the new password. In the end, requiring routine password changes reduces security against such keylog programs.
I have a cheap, credit card sized pocket calculator to generate a number to use as a password along with a letter or two. For example someone having a birthday on August 13 might use the password A13 as being the letter A in front of the square root of that day using 5 to 7 digits which you type into the computer as: A3605551 for example. If the system allows periods you can use the decimal point also. Someone who knows your birthdate would still also have to know the square root secret and have a calculator handy.