The numbers for polio are about right; there can be many reasons why those who were paralyzed got it; no two people have the same biochemistry and diet and there are some minor dietary insufficiencies that play into the hands of certain viruses. Any virus that encodes for selenomethione for example will strip the body of selenium leaving it unable to produce glutamine peroxidase, the stuff the body uses to lyse (kill) viruses. Pauling showed that C will reverse the disease in the 50s in double blind clinical studies so it could be as simple as mild scurvy as the casative factor in paralysis; there were clusters of the disease and soil and eating habits of those populations need to be looked at carefully, the etiology of many diseases is figured out this way by biostatistitions.
But the point is we don't care about polio any more and don't have to look because we eradicated it with vaccines. Safe, effective cheap vaccies that prevented a large number of poeple from spending a life in an iron lung, never being able to walk ever again.
"I'm sorry, I fail to see the similarities between optional alternative "therapies" and a mandatory government-required system of vaccinations of which any and all profits roll into the same large companies. If the program was not profitable, the drug companies wouldn't produce the vaccines -- their boards of directors would shoot them (and they'd be legally fiscally accountable to their shareholders & boards for running a program at a deficit for decades...). So you have to assume that it brings in some type of profit -- or the companies wouldn't produce them."
That's not how it works. The government, in the form of an NIH/CDC proceeding, will identify a vaccine that, say, everyone needs to get. Then they call the drug companies in and have a little talk and basically say this is what we need, how much. If they price is more than reasonable they suggest it's national security and they'll be taking the plant and the army will make it now how much and they agree on a price and they roll out the vaccine.
It's best not to talk about things you know nothing about; passing on a hypothesis as fact isn't such a great idea either.
Of course there's different ways of making vaccines, but that doesn't mean there's different ways of making any particular vaccine. Some are made from eggs, others horses and what have you. Viruses are stupid specific and it's a miracle we can grow human virues in a lab at all.
Pathogens, protozoans, bacteria and viruses are very very host specific, a rat liver worm will pretty much grow only there, and the bacteria that gives you a chest infection won't give you an ear infection and won't grow on cheese.
So, in the event they can grow a virus in a lab, it may only be able to be possible using a narrow set of media, sometimes only one thing works. This isn't the same with each virus. Now, people can be and are allergic to pretty much everything: wheat, soy, latex, meat, fish, panuts, eggs, milk, you name it. Some of these are common, 30% of the world lacks the gene to digest gluten meaning most common grains are out, similarly so only 33% of the world can digest lactose past childhoos giving a dairy iintolerance; some are outright allergic to caesin. Meat allergies are rare but exists and are sometimes animal specific, sometimes not.
Point is no matter what you make vaccines from, some poor schmuck somewhere is going to be allergic to it and in many cases there is no second source for the vaccine.
It was a Brit that invented penicillin you insensitive clod!
Just cause we had one whackjob doesn't label the whole place as insane, need I say "cold fusion" or point out only Saudi Arabia has less people that believe in evolution than the US (46%)?
"While vaccinations are essential, miracles of modern science, I would still like to know what the data is on effectiveness per vaccine formulation variation and so on. For example, I've read the current whooping cough vaccine is weaker and therefore less effective than its predecessor that had some minor side effects in some people."
Then you should be reading the NIH site, not Slashdot.
Kids that didn't get their boosters are vulnerable. That's why it's important to keep on top of the vaccination schedule for kids, dogs and cats. Really icky things can happen otherwise.
"BOSTON, MA -- Source: Harvard Medical School Date: 2003-05-07.
The United States has a higher prevalence and lower treatment rate of serious mental illness than a number of other developed countries, according to a study published in a special edition on international health care in the May/June issue of the policy journal Health Affairs."
I'll bet if you could find state by state stats on the rate of schizophrenia you'd find those four to be at the top of the list; along with chamtrails and flouride, vaccines are one of the main delusions of schizophrenics. It's like a litmus test. Notice you never find people that only believe in one of these things? Like just H.A.A.R.P but they know everything else is bogus; no, if they believe one they believe them all. They're not stupid, they're ill, that's all.
"That's a funny one, if you started forbidding all the foods that offend one religion or the other, the only item the school menus would be allowed to have was water."
Water is offensive to the breatharias. No food, no water, just positive energy and sunlight. That's all you get.
"Inedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InediaShare Breatharianism is a related concept, in which believers claim food and possibly water are not necessary, and that humans can be sustained solely by prana (the..."
Everyone in my family seems to get a mild flu for two weeks after getting a flu shot, so, based on this: http://rs79.vrx.net/opinions/ideas/medicine/vitamins/flu/ and a few other similar papers, if we get the flu (very rare) we take vitamins a-z in decent sized doses and eat a high protein diet with lots of garlic, chilis and ginger. I have yet to have one that lasted 2 days and no secondary infection compared to a week and a 50/50 channce of a chest infection. This seems to have held true for everyone in the family for the past decade or so. That's what I've seen anyway.
The other vaccines all seem to work as advertised without side effects.
Yeah, about that. Obviously there's no shiny liquid metal in there rolling around. What it actually contains is Thimerisol, which is "ethyl mercury". This has been in contact lens cleaning solution for at least 25 years. Not one case if autism there.
No autism. While mercury poisoning produces horrid symptoms not one case of autism is known. And no harmful efffects from *ethyl* mercury are known.
So if somebody talks about mercury in the context of why vaccines are bad, they simply and literally do not have any idea what they're actually talking about.
The one study that showed a link was fabricated. For money.
There is Mercury in all fish (except small oily ones) now. So much you can test before and after eating one and find a measurable increase after eating one. And it's the bad one, methyl mercury.
There's more mercury in a can of tuna than there is in a CFL lightbulb.
Thimerisol only occurs in the flu vaccine any more, because it's the only one that works in there, it's been taken out of all other vaccines and substitutes were used - not because it's unsafe, but it was cheaper to do this than for the FDA to waste time on the tinfoil crowd who keep winging about it.
Correct. I fully support vaccination, but it's not risk free; mu sister in law got Guilleme barre from one and spent six months in bed, mostly paralyzed, then she was fine. But it's an extremely rare occurence, you're (much) more likely to die from what you're being vaccinated against than be harmed by the vaccine. Plus, these things are monitored so closely it's rediclous.
You're probably thinking of a Bichir. There's lots of primative aquarium fish, but they all have fins ad are more recent than this, the Coelacanth has arms and legs with similar bones to ours.
The lumgfish is about the oldest fish kept in aquaria.
"During the daytime, coelacanths rest in caves anywhere from 100–500 meters deep while others migrate to deeper waters.[1][4] By resting in cooler waters (below 120 meters) during the daytime, coelacanths reduce metabolic costs" - Wiki
Brilliant argument, fimd one species that doesn't evolve; this proves the other 100132 million that obviously did evolve are just a fluke easily explained away by this fish
Wild assed guess: massive changes starting in the Devonian finally settled out and it found it's niche; there were no evolutionary pressures to change, so it never did.
If you think a Coelacanth picture is so easy to get, go take one.
Sure there's already pictures, and video on YouTube. But for the longest time science had never got it's hands on one, they're still fairly "new" as these things go. And they live very far down. This isn't like scooping a fish out of a river or a lake. And there's none in captivity so you can't just take a picture of one; they're endangered now too from overfishing. Stupid as the flesh is pretty much inedible containing waxes, oil and urea at the very least. Things were different half a billion years ago when they evolved (then stopped).
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My ex died of flu in her 40s, just last year. I had it for two days.
The numbers for polio are about right; there can be many reasons why those who were paralyzed got it; no two people have the same biochemistry and diet and there are some minor dietary insufficiencies that play into the hands of certain viruses. Any virus that encodes for selenomethione for example will strip the body of selenium leaving it unable to produce glutamine peroxidase, the stuff the body uses to lyse (kill) viruses. Pauling showed that C will reverse the disease in the 50s in double blind clinical studies so it could be as simple as mild scurvy as the casative factor in paralysis; there were clusters of the disease and soil and eating habits of those populations need to be looked at carefully, the etiology of many diseases is figured out this way by biostatistitions.
But the point is we don't care about polio any more and don't have to look because we eradicated it with vaccines. Safe, effective cheap vaccies that prevented a large number of poeple from spending a life in an iron lung, never being able to walk ever again.
" I'm sorry, I fail to see the similarities between optional alternative "therapies" and a mandatory government-required system of vaccinations of which any and all profits roll into the same large companies. If the program was not profitable, the drug companies wouldn't produce the vaccines -- their boards of directors would shoot them (and they'd be legally fiscally accountable to their shareholders & boards for running a program at a deficit for decades...). So you have to assume that it brings in some type of profit -- or the companies wouldn't produce them. "
That's not how it works. The government, in the form of an NIH/CDC proceeding, will identify a vaccine that, say, everyone needs to get. Then they call the drug companies in and have a little talk and basically say this is what we need, how much. If they price is more than reasonable they suggest it's national security and they'll be taking the plant and the army will make it now how much and they agree on a price and they roll out the vaccine.
It's best not to talk about things you know nothing about; passing on a hypothesis as fact isn't such a great idea either.
"Actually, I read somewhere that most of the vaccine deniers have college degrees....just not advanced ones or ones in the sciences."
John Nash did.
Don't make me drag out the list of PhD's that were batshit crazy.
I think you'll find modern sewage systems actually spread the SARS virus. A vaccine would have been better.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2003/pr70/en/
Of course there's different ways of making vaccines, but that doesn't mean there's different ways of making any particular vaccine. Some are made from eggs, others horses and what have you. Viruses are stupid specific and it's a miracle we can grow human virues in a lab at all.
Pathogens, protozoans, bacteria and viruses are very very host specific, a rat liver worm will pretty much grow only there, and the bacteria that gives you a chest infection won't give you an ear infection and won't grow on cheese.
So, in the event they can grow a virus in a lab, it may only be able to be possible using a narrow set of media, sometimes only one thing works. This isn't the same with each virus. Now, people can be and are allergic to pretty much everything: wheat, soy, latex, meat, fish, panuts, eggs, milk, you name it. Some of these are common, 30% of the world lacks the gene to digest gluten meaning most common grains are out, similarly so only 33% of the world can digest lactose past childhoos giving a dairy iintolerance; some are outright allergic to caesin. Meat allergies are rare but exists and are sometimes animal specific, sometimes not.
Point is no matter what you make vaccines from, some poor schmuck somewhere is going to be allergic to it and in many cases there is no second source for the vaccine.
It was a Brit that invented penicillin you insensitive clod!
Just cause we had one whackjob doesn't label the whole place as insane, need I say "cold fusion" or point out only Saudi Arabia has less people that believe in evolution than the US (46%)?
There's a good lad.
"While vaccinations are essential, miracles of modern science, I would still like to know what the data is on effectiveness per vaccine formulation variation and so on. For example, I've read the current whooping cough vaccine is weaker and therefore less effective than its predecessor that had some minor side effects in some people."
Then you should be reading the NIH site, not Slashdot.
Kids that didn't get their boosters are vulnerable. That's why it's important to keep on top of the vaccination schedule for kids, dogs and cats. Really icky things can happen otherwise.
Oh come on people aren't THAT stupid.
Sprinkler Rainbow Conspiracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6HsiixFS8
Yeah ok, maybe they are.
"BOSTON, MA -- Source: Harvard Medical School Date: 2003-05-07.
The United States has a higher prevalence and lower treatment rate of serious mental illness than a number of other developed countries, according to a study published in a special edition on international health care in the May/June issue of the policy journal Health Affairs."
I'll bet if you could find state by state stats on the rate of schizophrenia you'd find those four to be at the top of the list; along with chamtrails and flouride, vaccines are one of the main delusions of schizophrenics. It's like a litmus test. Notice you never find people that only believe in one of these things? Like just H.A.A.R.P but they know everything else is bogus; no, if they believe one they believe them all. They're not stupid, they're ill, that's all.
"That's a funny one, if you started forbidding all the foods that offend one religion or the other, the only item the school menus would be allowed to have was water."
Water is offensive to the breatharias. No food, no water, just positive energy and sunlight. That's all you get.
"Inedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ..."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InediaShare
Breatharianism is a related concept, in which believers claim food and possibly water are not necessary, and that humans can be sustained solely by prana (the
Yeah it actually does, but it's the only one that does, see a posting of mine a page or two up.
There is a problem with the flu shot, it does't actually prevent any deaths. But it's not per se generally harmful.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/11/does-the-vaccine-matter/307723/
Everyone in my family seems to get a mild flu for two weeks after getting a flu shot, so, based on
this: http://rs79.vrx.net/opinions/ideas/medicine/vitamins/flu/ and a few other similar papers, if we get the flu (very rare) we take vitamins a-z in decent sized doses and eat a high protein diet with lots of garlic, chilis and ginger. I have yet to have one that lasted 2 days and no secondary infection compared to a week and a 50/50 channce of a chest infection. This seems to have held true for everyone in the family for the past decade or so. That's what I've seen anyway.
The other vaccines all seem to work as advertised without side effects.
"contains mercury"
Yeah, about that. Obviously there's no shiny liquid metal in there rolling around. What it actually contains is Thimerisol, which is "ethyl mercury". This has been in contact lens cleaning solution for at least 25 years. Not one case if autism there.
"Methyl mercury" is the bad one. While ethyl mercury is simply excreted from the body methyl mercuty is not. We know all about what happens from acute and/or chronic mercury toxicity. First, Minimata http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamata_disease and all the others, less famous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_poisoning
No autism. While mercury poisoning produces horrid symptoms not one case of autism is known. And no harmful efffects from *ethyl* mercury are known.
So if somebody talks about mercury in the context of why vaccines are bad, they simply and literally do not have any idea what they're actually talking about.
The one study that showed a link was fabricated. For money.
There is Mercury in all fish (except small oily ones) now. So much you can test before and after eating one and find a measurable increase after eating one. And it's the bad one, methyl mercury.
There's more mercury in a can of tuna than there is in a CFL lightbulb.
Thimerisol only occurs in the flu vaccine any more, because it's the only one that works in there, it's been taken out of all other vaccines and substitutes were used - not because it's unsafe, but it was cheaper to do this than for the FDA to waste time on the tinfoil crowd who keep winging about it.
Correct. I fully support vaccination, but it's not risk free; mu sister in law got Guilleme barre from one and spent six months in bed, mostly paralyzed, then she was fine. But it's an extremely rare occurence, you're (much) more likely to die from what you're being vaccinated against than be harmed by the vaccine. Plus, these things are monitored so closely it's rediclous.
When somebody quotes Natural News you know they didn't pass grade 6 science.
By my count, 1 out of 10 articles in that rag is actually factual, and when it is they don't actually understand why.
It really only exists to sell ads, not to inform. Surely the ads for the free energy generators should be the first clue
They're on the decline actually. There was zero commercial value in them, now they know scientists want them...
Actual temperature rise which is only in some areas at some time is one degree warmer. 100-500 feet down, where they live, this means nothing.
You're probably thinking of a Bichir. There's lots of primative aquarium fish, but they all have fins ad are more recent than this, the Coelacanth has arms and legs with similar bones to ours.
The lumgfish is about the oldest fish kept in aquaria.
"During the daytime, coelacanths rest in caves anywhere from 100–500 meters deep while others migrate to deeper waters.[1][4] By resting in cooler waters (below 120 meters) during the daytime, coelacanths reduce metabolic costs" - Wiki
What do you call "deep".
Brilliant argument, fimd one species that doesn't evolve; this proves the other 100132 million that obviously did evolve are just a fluke easily explained away by this fish
Comic gold.
Wild assed guess: massive changes starting in the Devonian finally settled out and it found it's niche; there were no evolutionary pressures to change, so it never did.
Shark is excellent eating. Coelacanth not so much, it's not just urea but waxes and oils; eat one and, uh yeah "laxative" is one way of putting it.
If you think a Coelacanth picture is so easy to get, go take one.
Sure there's already pictures, and video on YouTube. But for the longest time science had never got it's hands on one, they're still fairly "new" as these things go. And they live very far down. This isn't like scooping a fish out of a river or a lake. And there's none in captivity so you can't just take a picture of one; they're endangered now too from overfishing. Stupid as the flesh is pretty much inedible containing waxes, oil and urea at the very least. Things were different half a billion years ago when they evolved (then stopped).
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070730222707AA2bVkB
"Where can I buy a Coelacanth for my aquarium" (you can't)
http://www.dinofish.com/
All things Coelacanth.
"Many expeditions ,often amidst controversy, have sought out the elusive coelacanth, and an extensive bibliography of published papers has emerged."
These new photos are the best ever taken of the fish. They're quite something.
Why don't you try backup up some of these assertions?
Either a bunch of mean spirited batshit insane republicans die or our daughters do.
I know which choice I'd make.
"The Democrats had solid majorities in every branch of government for two full years."
Every bank run and financial collapse has occurred during a republican administration. Not one ever under a democratic administration.
But I'm sure that's just a continuous 200 year long coincidence.