Hello. In understand your problem and have special expertise that will enable you to understand. Just sign this PO for $1.2 and out consulting team will immediately begin to undertake a feasability study to help you understand the question.
Now if you'll just pass me your watch I'll tell you what time it is.
"So what? It's a somewhat slow web server. It's easy, guys. If you want to leave your home machine naked to the net, use real and tested server software. If you want to do all the tasks done by Unite but easier, get cheap or free web hosting and a Facebook page."
I'm guessing you haven't actually tried the software. But you know about problems with it already even though it isn't actually a "webserver/daemon" in the classic sense of the word.
That's kinda like saying "I don't like asparagus but I've never tried it because I don't like it".
Maybe it does have a security hole in it. But shouldn't we actually find out first before we just guess and assume that it does?
Security hole. Pffft. BindOutlookXPIEExcel. Life goes on.
"The first projector I saw was my Dad's slide projector. Most video projectors (except theater-grade DLPs) can't hold a candle to a Kodak Carousel that you can get at a garage sale for 25 bucks."
Yeah but it's a bitch to a) digitize a movie onto slides and b) get the projector to go fast enough so you get 24 fps. Hats off for trying though.
"Did anyone notice a problem with the picture at the top of the linked page? The projected images on the (white) walls actually have darker parts than the wall itself in the ambient light. What kind of light does this projector emit?? Or does it spray paint on the wall? "
You use dark emitting diodes. Duh. LEDs and solar power get all the glory but I'm telling you now the future belongs to DEDs and Lunar power - all that moonlight going to waste that could be powering arrays of dark emitting diodes. Don't even get me started on monodes.
"WebKit is open source and free which is a key reason its a serious challenge to Opera in the embedded space. "
Newsflash: not all open srouce stuff is any good, and while open source may be a good religion, to follow it blindly in defiance to facts doesn't do anybody any good.
Case in point from last week: I had to back up a sysetm image from a scsi raid XP system. I tried 14 programs, 6 of which were open source. Only Norton Ghost worked. Do I care it's not open source? No. I needed a tool to get the job done and paid for it and it worked.
While there are some commensursate professionals dong open source code (djbdns comes to mind, and to a lesser extent, postfix) there's still a lot of poeple contributing to open source projects that really have some dumb ideas implemented poorly.
I've been programming unix in C since 1976 and have put my share of stuff out there. But the quality of open source code is plummeted badly in the last decade imo.
Open source as a primary criteria for selecting a tool is a really bad idea. We need to be objective. At the end of the day stuff has to actually *work*.
"has anyone tried Opera Unite, is it good? Is it useful? "
Was slashdot useful when it was in alpha?
When we get a couple of years experience with Google Wave and Unite, we'll know. My feeling is the point of this is to say "yup, googles right, we're disintermediating the big server farms and we're like, so there".
If I had anything to do with firefox I'd be pushing for some consumer grade apache thing right now to stay on par. Mark my words: it's where we're going, and this has nothing to do with "hosting web sites" on your laptop.
Keep telling yourself that enough and eventually you'll believe it.
This doesn't have to be a zero sum game. Opera doesn't have to lose for your favorite browser to win, and we all benefit from a rich array of alternative browsers. I don't want any browser, not even my favorite, be the "one true browser".
Opera contines to grow just fine and innovate so that firefox has something to get good ideas from and is a nice companion to google.
If only one of these browsers attains ubiquity, well, we had that before, it was called "Windows". Let's not do that again.
I also notice those who are most critical of Opera know the least about it and don't actually use it.
"Data Center Knowledge has a roundup that looks at some of the problems with this approach, including security issues related to running a server on a desktop app and bandwidth consumption. If your browser-hosted site gets busy, you think your ISP won't notice? "
I don't think you understand what it's supposed to be used for. If you want to "host a web site" in the familiar sense, you rent some webspace on a server somewhere. This is for stuff other than that.
"Opera 9.x pretty much always tells "Oh! Update X.XX is available! Click here to download!!!". After clicking it sends you to generic download page where you have to download newer Opera version manually and install it manually. That sucks.
P.S. Sorry to be that spoiled by FireFox."
Holy nanny state batman.
You're not spoiled by firefox, you're just spoiled.:-)
"i can just see it now... your mom calls from her vacation abroad: "Hey! How you doing? Can you turn your laptop on i want to show uncle henry your photos of the wedding", "mom, it's 3am... i wish i had put my photos on flckr!" "
If yer mum calls you at 3 am looking for photos tell her to quit doing speed.
"The introduction of in-built publishing mechanisms (like the web server) seems almost contrary to the concept of cloud computing - in a good way. From what I understand, in a cloud computing world all applications and content are hosted "in the cloud". This of-course brings a lot of ownership (who owns my content?), privacy (who can access my content?), and history (what happens when I want to remove my content?) issues. I suppose if we were to host all our personal info on our own web-browser, we would have full control of every aspect of what and how our content is disseminated. Now, the only problem is the upload bandwidth. "
Cloud computing means the server owners are in charge. Desktop webservers mean the user is in charge. The paradigm is changing.
"No, but I hear that Emacs is going to be one of Opera Unite widgets in the final release. Now you can truly run your OS inside your browser!"
Welcome to the 21st century. Opera is your boot loader and emacs is your O/S. Har. Har. Har.
Seriously, has anybody booted directly to opera without loading an full O/S. An IBM laptop that boots up to Opera is what I'd like to see. BartPE or IsoLinux or something?
Slashdot Mirror
Looks like somebody left out a close table data cell. Sometime after midnight reply started behaving very oddly.
Given there's articles about opera this week is it really too much to expect that changes are tested in opera?
http://rs79.vrx.net/.oops/slashdot/oops7.jpg
" How can an upgrade cost $40m? "
Hello. In understand your problem and have special expertise that will enable you to understand. Just sign this PO for $1.2 and out consulting team will immediately begin to undertake a feasability study to help you understand the question.
Now if you'll just pass me your watch I'll tell you what time it is.
"So what? It's a somewhat slow web server. It's easy, guys. If you want to leave your home machine naked to the net, use real and tested server software. If you want to do all the tasks done by Unite but easier, get cheap or free web hosting and a Facebook page."
I'm guessing you haven't actually tried the software. But you know about problems with it already even though it isn't actually a "webserver/daemon" in the classic sense of the word.
That's kinda like saying "I don't like asparagus but I've never tried it because I don't like it".
Maybe it does have a security hole in it. But shouldn't we actually find out first before we just guess and assume that it does?
Security hole. Pffft. BindOutlookXPIEExcel. Life goes on.
" Who says metered service is a bad thing? "
Uh...
The internet is not a public resource.
It's a concatenation of private networks.
You own your network, I own mine, we agree so use the TCP/IP protocol suite to connect them.
There is no "public internet". It's all privately owned.
And you want some politician to tell you how you're gonna run your network?
Be very, very careful what you wish for.
"The first projector I saw was my Dad's slide projector. Most video projectors (except theater-grade DLPs) can't hold a candle to a Kodak Carousel that you can get at a garage sale for 25 bucks."
Yeah but it's a bitch to a) digitize a movie onto slides and b) get the projector to go fast enough so you get 24 fps. Hats off for trying though.
" Did anyone notice a problem with the picture at the top of the linked page? The projected images on the (white) walls actually have darker parts than the wall itself in the ambient light. What kind of light does this projector emit?? Or does it spray paint on the wall? "
You use dark emitting diodes. Duh. LEDs and solar power get all the glory but I'm telling you now the future belongs to DEDs and Lunar power - all that moonlight going to waste that could be powering arrays of dark emitting diodes. Don't even get me started on monodes.
"I have to say, the only thing less likely to be understood on /. than a religion metaphor is a sports metaphor. "
So... it's like a diesel mechanic being asked to tune a Ferarri?
I got it to work. Keep trying.
I'm downloading it. This has potential.
"The GUI is a factory for idols, and that's why we have lynx." "
The guy that wrote lynx also invented cookies and the blink tag.
I'm just sayin...
"And that's the key: It's not intended for the majority of the blog/mybook/facespace/tweetery crowd "
Hah. That's so cute. Keep your eyes on the wheel and just watch the next few years unfold.
"WebKit is open source and free which is a key reason its a serious challenge to Opera in the embedded space. "
Newsflash: not all open srouce stuff is any good, and while open source may be a good religion, to follow it blindly in defiance to facts doesn't do anybody any good.
Case in point from last week: I had to back up a sysetm image from a scsi raid XP system. I tried 14 programs, 6 of which were open source. Only Norton Ghost worked. Do I care it's not open source? No. I needed a tool to get the job done and paid for it and it worked.
While there are some commensursate professionals dong open source code (djbdns comes to mind, and to a lesser extent, postfix) there's still a lot of poeple contributing to open source projects that really have some dumb ideas implemented poorly.
I've been programming unix in C since 1976 and have put my share of stuff out there. But the quality of open source code is plummeted badly in the last decade imo.
Open source as a primary criteria for selecting a tool is a really bad idea. We need to be objective. At the end of the day stuff has to actually *work*.
"has anyone tried Opera Unite, is it good? Is it useful? "
Was slashdot useful when it was in alpha?
When we get a couple of years experience with Google Wave and Unite, we'll know. My feeling is the point of this is to say "yup, googles right, we're disintermediating the big server farms and we're like, so there".
If I had anything to do with firefox I'd be pushing for some consumer grade apache thing right now to stay on par. Mark my words: it's where we're going, and this has nothing to do with "hosting web sites" on your laptop.
"Opera is is in trouble."
Keep telling yourself that enough and eventually you'll believe it.
This doesn't have to be a zero sum game. Opera doesn't have to lose for your favorite browser to win, and we all benefit from a rich array of alternative browsers. I don't want any browser, not even my favorite, be the "one true browser".
Opera contines to grow just fine and innovate so that firefox has something to get good ideas from and is a nice companion to google.
If only one of these browsers attains ubiquity, well, we had that before, it was called "Windows". Let's not do that again.
I also notice those who are most critical of Opera know the least about it and don't actually use it.
"Read the faq( http://unite.opera.com/support/ ) before irresponsible reporting."
You must be new here. Welcome.
"Data Center Knowledge has a roundup that looks at some of the problems with this approach, including security issues related to running a server on a desktop app and bandwidth consumption. If your browser-hosted site gets busy, you think your ISP won't notice? "
I don't think you understand what it's supposed to be used for. If you want to "host a web site" in the familiar sense, you rent some webspace on a server somewhere. This is for stuff other than that.
My understanding is they rewrote the js interpreter for v10.
"It doesn't look like that to me. At all."
Ooooook. Doesn't mean mine works. And I'm not the only one. But I'm glad to hear it's not universally broken.
"Opera 9.x pretty much always tells "Oh! Update X.XX is available! Click here to download!!!". After clicking it sends you to generic download page where you have to download newer Opera version manually and install it manually. That sucks.
P.S. Sorry to be that spoiled by FireFox."
Holy nanny state batman.
You're not spoiled by firefox, you're just spoiled. :-)
"i can just see it now... your mom calls from her vacation abroad: "Hey! How you doing? Can you turn your laptop on i want to show uncle henry your photos of the wedding", "mom, it's 3am... i wish i had put my photos on flckr!" "
If yer mum calls you at 3 am looking for photos tell her to quit doing speed.
" FWIW I downloaded the Mac version of 10, tried to play with the Unity stuff, and Opera crashed within seconds." "
I've never had much luck with Opera on macs either, but it's all I use everywhere else.
Whenever a computer person tells you something is possible, believe them.
Whenever a computer person tells you something is impossible or a bad idea, ignore them.
"The introduction of in-built publishing mechanisms (like the web server) seems almost contrary to the concept of cloud computing - in a good way. From what I understand, in a cloud computing world all applications and content are hosted "in the cloud". This of-course brings a lot of ownership (who owns my content?), privacy (who can access my content?), and history (what happens when I want to remove my content?) issues. I suppose if we were to host all our personal info on our own web-browser, we would have full control of every aspect of what and how our content is disseminated. Now, the only problem is the upload bandwidth. "
Cloud computing means the server owners are in charge. Desktop webservers mean the user is in charge. The paradigm is changing.
"Like being able to make the fonts smaller or larger on pages? (They haven't had this, they "zoom" into the page, which is rubbish)"
Have you actually used it much? If somebody sends you a 4000 x 3000 image, "zoom" to 20% is very useful. Any browser that can't do this is broken.
Moreso, any 320P animation, like, say this real time feed of a beach in Kauai:
http://66.91.152.38/-wvhttp-01-/GetOneShot?image_size=320x240&REQUEST_ID=1229794393811
Looks great on a TV when zoomed 100% and becomes full screen.
Just because you haven't found a use for something doesn't mean it's not worth having.
"No, but I hear that Emacs is going to be one of Opera Unite widgets in the final release. Now you can truly run your OS inside your browser! "
Welcome to the 21st century. Opera is your boot loader and emacs is your O/S. Har. Har. Har.
Seriously, has anybody booted directly to opera without loading an full O/S. An IBM laptop that boots up to Opera is what I'd like to see. BartPE or IsoLinux or something?