Sure, it's sad you lost your leg, but you wouldn't have made ten million in ten life times
No one is claiming you would have earned that much.. they are claiming that there are going to be ongoing expenses related to the loss of the leg (crutches, maintenance of artificial leg, installing a wheel chair ramp, etc.) and of course you're quality of life is now diminished because you may not be able to enjoy things you used to be able to, etc. And this is only if the hosipital made a mistake it shouldn't have.
Verizon tech? I don't believe Verizon company policy involves punching customers. Why is Verizon paying for a stupid employee's action?
Because it hired a nutjob and sent that nutjob to a customers home? Ya, its their job to NOT hire nutjobs.
Guess what, your cell phone bill isn't going to go down thanks to this lawsuit.
No, but hopefully it will cause VZ to be much more careful about the people it sends to my house. BTW, nobody gets a tech sent to their house for a CELL phone. This is either a land line or DSL.
This isn't about justice, it's about getting cash. Twits like this cost us hundreds of dollars a year in medical costs, repair bills, etc. Guess what -- your appliance tech gets to pay for insurance for in case a customer sues his pants off. A doctor gets to pay literally tens of thousands for insurance per year. Yeah, this guy got his face smashed, but now the rest of us will be paying for it. So, let me tip my hat and say: I hope your ****ing nose is crooked for the rest of your life, greedy twit.
Ya you know what, if it means VZ is more careful about who they hire, I think that's a good thing and I'm willing to pay the $0.0001 for it.
The only people whining about suits like this are the scummy doctors and shit companies being held to some kind of standard, and you swallowed their lies hook line and sinker.
If it's a simple case of criminal assault why is the guy suing Comcast at all?
Because the VZ employee was acting as a company agent, and its VZ responsiblity to ensure they aren't sending violent sociopaths to their customers houses.
If I get beat up by some drunken idiot I don't sue his employer, I bring charges against him and claim criminal compensation for time off work (paid either by him or the state if he can't pay).
If the drunken idiot is on the clock, you certainly can sue his employer. Yes, what an employee does in his off time is soley up to him... but this guy was there acting as a company representative.
I don't have time to read the article in detail, but certain parts of it seem to hint that the problem is too much fructose, not fructose in general, which would be consistent with what I said. Theres a part that says the "normal" amount people would consume via fruits doesn't appear to have any negative affects on insulin levels, but people are consuming about five times as much fructose as they normally could. I suspect that replacing HFCS with sucrose would have the same effect so long as people consumed as much.
*sigh* Learn to read: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9356547?dopt=Abstract " whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related [to the mean insulin scores]" Thats a link to an astract from your page..
Bodybuilders eat slow carbs + protein to have an energy for workout and spare muscle.
Yes, and they purposefully are LEAN carbs & protein to ensure the protein is absorbed quickly pre-workout. Its also avoided POST workout because you WANT to spike your insulin levels... and fat blunts that spike.
I get my "strange" ideas from my trainer, b/c I AM a body builder. Dumbass.
Er, no, that's not true... freezing is not a reliable way to kill bacteria, which is why you're always told to cook the meat to a certain tempurature before eating... even if you had previously frozen it.
My concern is disease... swine flu, black plague, whatever (not saying those specifically... just that its possible for someone to butcher a diseased animal and get the infection from eating the raw meat).
My original field was biochemistry... I'm not entirely pulling this out of my ass, even if I don't have a cite handy.
I'm just curious of the claims.
Meat is generally sterile, until cut open. When it's not we call it an "abcess" and it's usually fairly obvious.;) Same with eggs, if not exposed to chicken shit (modern caging systems are in part designed to ensure they're not so exposed). Parasites can be present but smoe just get digested, and others are either uncommon or are in fact something we evolved with (frex, ascarids).
I'm thinking along the lines of diseased livestock; say an animal with swine flu, killed before it started to show symptoms. Mad cow also comes to mind.
Of course, even if its sterile until cut open... I don't think we can accomodate everyone having a cow roaming around their apartment until its time for dinner.
"Organic" veggies are rather more likely to be contaminated, due to manure being used as fertilizer.
True, but thats easily overcome with washing.. and the alternative is chemical pestisides on the veggies instead.
Well, fructose doesn't spike insulin levels, so I fail to see how it'd be worse. People DO have too much refined sugar in their diets... but they also have too much fast digesting carbs and fat as well. Doctors trying to pin the blame on one or a few things are doing a serious disservice.
Most people that dislike fruit juice have problems because 1) its mostly NOT fruit juice, instead its sugar water with fruit flavoring and 2) drinks other than water are pretty much a waste, because they are calorie dense and you can drink a lot of calories very quickly, without hunger being blunted.
The other poster likely is confusing HFCS and fructose, but his post is still bunk. Too much of anything is bad, and saying if only HFCS was gone people would be thin is stupid... because people consume way too much fat and OTHER fast digesting carbs as well. If you're going come down on one thing, it should be fat, because it comes in at 9 calories / gram vs. 4 / g for protein or carbs (protein is actually a bit less, being harding to break down).
Well then you phrased it pretty poorly: "Ugh... bread (white) is NOT full of complex carbs." seems to be sort of contrary to the fact that most of the calories in bread come from starch, which is a complex carbohydrate. Maybe you should try to be more precise.
Fair enough; I usually use complex carb to mean "slow digesting," which is typically the case.
That statement is incorrect. If you want to talk about eating fructose instead of glucose, that is fine, but fructose is not a complex carbohydrate, and breads, calorie for calorie, have a much higher percentage of complex carbohydrates than fruits.
Its not, but again, it acts like one in that it doesn't spike your insulin levels.
If the post had said "Eat fruits and vegetables instead of sugar and bread", I wouldn't have had much to say, but the post effectively said "Eat fruits and vegetables for the complex carbs in them, instead of eating sugar and bread", which is quite a confused statement.
Ok, I see your point, but I think the OP was getting at the same thing I was; slow digesting carbs or carbs from fruits and vegtibles are fine. Refined sugar and startch isn't.
I did. Mixed in with all the garbage about how atkins was right (he wasn't) at the end he admits its just a matter of expendature vs intake, thus negating the previous 10 pages. As I said, junk.
Still to lazy to do ANYTHING on your own? Fine: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/weight-loss/MY00432. There's one. But of course I don't know what I'm talking about, its not like I spent money to learn more about it or anything.
Holt et al. have noted that the glucose and insulin scores of most foods are highly correlated, but high-protein foods and bakery products that are rich in fat and refined carbohydrates "elicit insulin responses that were disproportionately higher than their glycemic responses."
You missed the part where fat and protein had a negative (i.e., lowering effect) on insulin levels... which is to be expected. Fat and protein take longer to digest (fat taking the longest), and because the sugar is mixed with the fat, it can't be absorbed as fast. Note this is why bodybuilders take complex carbs + protein before working out, but minimize the amount of fat... becaue fat will slow down the aborbtion of the carbs and protein further.
For someone who doesn't plan on surviving anyway, that just makes dying easier and a lot more spectacular.
Not really.. and if you'd actually read anything they wrote, you'd see killing alot of people was fairly important to them as well.
Plus, they might get to witness the whole campus shooting up each other as people start misidentifying each other as the original shooter.
Right... because of course we'd just hand guns out with no training whatsoever, and people NOT in the same room would rush in like cowboys. Please, give it a rest.
To make the news? To get revenge on society/those jocks/whomever they think needs killing? Just to show that they can actually do it? Does a psycho nutcase really need a reason?
And this is different then what actually happened how, except with more people being dead and the only reason MORE weren't dead was because they killed themselves? You act like I'm saying these things would never happen; I said they might be less likely to happen, big difference, and if they do, it wouldn't be as bad if everyone could defend themselves adequately. And yes, even psychos need reasons... they're often distorted and not based in reality, but they still need a reason.
And how's that different from them getting a few and then shooting themselves?
There likely would have been less death, and the survivors wouldn't be fucked up for a while because they were made to feel powerless to defend themselves.
We can get nutrients from raw chicken, cow, or eggs. They're more digestible when cooked, but they're not INdigestible when raw, as grains and veggies are. (And remember, the main thing you get from uncooked fruit is... sugar water.)
Well, thats exactly what I was getting at. Grains and veggies aren't indigestiable uncooked either, I hate to inform you. In fact, the only ones stating similar ideas are blogs... not one scientific study seems to back you up.
And these animal products are all perfectly safe to eat raw. Unsafe animal products are mainly the result of external contamination, not an inherent problem.
No matter if you put a pejorative on it or not, the majority of the calories in any fruit come from the sugar in that fruit
And you suppose this is necessarly a bad thing why? Fructose doesn't affect insulin levels, and thus doesn't cause the same insulin overreaction and hence storage as other sugars.
And white bread does contain mostly complex carbohydrates (this is what starches are!), the reason it tastes sweet when it is chewed is that amylase (an enzyme in saliva) breaks the starches down into simpler sugars.
My comment was not aimed at how sweet the bread tastes, it was how quickly it breaks down. Starch, although a complex carb, still breaks down exteremly quickly and spikes insulin levels pretty close to how sugar does.
Did you just reduce an 11-page article to 5 words before responding to it?
Up, I did... because the 11 page article is garbage, not science.
Not to mention, you stopped writing before the important part, the part where you gave a link, or a book, or a researcher's name, or even a vague hint as to where I should go for these more recent studies.
Get off your ass for once and do your own research. Better yet, go pick up the phone and schedule an appointment with a nutritionist.
And I'll give you a hint for the future: fads != healthy living.
The Wiki entry you reference has no citations that support the brain running on Ketones at all. Nor do any of the articles on Wikipedia that I checked. The only alernate fuel seems to be lactate, a byproduct of buring glucose: http://www.livescience.com/health/081001-brain-food.html. I've seen no indication that it can run on fatty acids; your muscles can though.
Gluconeogenesis using protein results in ammonia being released into the blood, which can build up in the brain, IIRC, but even if not in the brain, ammonia build up in the body isn't good either. I'd have to look at my materials at home for better references.
Yes... they know going to the school with the intention to shoot it up when they also know the other students and teachers are armed would get them killed. Likewise, if they know the whole society is similarly armed, what would be the point of them trying to mass murder anyway? They'd get a few at most, before they were shot themselves.
And that is relevant to a discussion about the second amendment how?
You're not talking about 2nd amendment rights... you're trying to say gun control needs to be stricter because of these "heat of moments" that might be dangeours.
Hold on for a minute - I was talking about gun safety and marksmanship training specifically. Cops (hopefully) receive training in more areas than these two, and are subject to a little more scrutiny than the average gun owner, especially with regards to staying calm under stress and pressure.
Give it a rest. Applicants to become cops with more than a 6th grade eduacation are rejected outright. Besides your point was that the training is not relevent, due to "heat of moment" situtations.
Stay away from most grains, eat lots of fruit/vegetables and lean protein and add in some poly unsaturated fat (almonds, cashews, avocado, olive oil/olives) and you'll be on your way to a leaner, healthier you.
No, stay away from enriched grains. Whole grains are prefectly healthy for you; oat meal helps lower HDLs. Whole wheat bread gives sustained energy and fiber. White bread, white rice, white potatoes are to be avoided (actually, even they are fine IMMEDIATELY after a high intensity workout). Whole wheat bread, brown rice, sweet potateos are very healthy.
Well, what you say is true, somewhat. Your body will start using fat once the glucose stores are gone. It has no choice... either that or you die right there, and we know you won't die right there. This is why lifting prior to cardio is more effective than just doing cardio. You ensure that by the time you're doing your cardio, your glucose stores are gone. There's also the calorie factor... spending an hour running instead of walking and you will burn more fat, because you've upped the total amount of calories burned so much.
So which would you rather do in 60 minutes? Burn 300 calories at 80% fat burn, or 1000 calories at 45% fat burn? I'd rather the latter. Walking only wins if you spend more time doing it... and most people don't have that much time.
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Verizon != Verizon Wireless. This has nothing to do with a cell phone..
Sure, it's sad you lost your leg, but you wouldn't have made ten million in ten life times
No one is claiming you would have earned that much.. they are claiming that there are going to be ongoing expenses related to the loss of the leg (crutches, maintenance of artificial leg, installing a wheel chair ramp, etc.) and of course you're quality of life is now diminished because you may not be able to enjoy things you used to be able to, etc. And this is only if the hosipital made a mistake it shouldn't have.
Verizon tech? I don't believe Verizon company policy involves punching customers. Why is Verizon paying for a stupid employee's action?
Because it hired a nutjob and sent that nutjob to a customers home? Ya, its their job to NOT hire nutjobs.
Guess what, your cell phone bill isn't going to go down thanks to this lawsuit.
No, but hopefully it will cause VZ to be much more careful about the people it sends to my house. BTW, nobody gets a tech sent to their house for a CELL phone. This is either a land line or DSL.
This isn't about justice, it's about getting cash. Twits like this cost us hundreds of dollars a year in medical costs, repair bills, etc. Guess what -- your appliance tech gets to pay for insurance for in case a customer sues his pants off. A doctor gets to pay literally tens of thousands for insurance per year. Yeah, this guy got his face smashed, but now the rest of us will be paying for it. So, let me tip my hat and say: I hope your ****ing nose is crooked for the rest of your life, greedy twit.
Ya you know what, if it means VZ is more careful about who they hire, I think that's a good thing and I'm willing to pay the $0.0001 for it.
The only people whining about suits like this are the scummy doctors and shit companies being held to some kind of standard, and you swallowed their lies hook line and sinker.
If it's a simple case of criminal assault why is the guy suing Comcast at all?
Because the VZ employee was acting as a company agent, and its VZ responsiblity to ensure they aren't sending violent sociopaths to their customers houses.
If I get beat up by some drunken idiot I don't sue his employer, I bring charges against him and claim criminal compensation for time off work (paid either by him or the state if he can't pay).
If the drunken idiot is on the clock, you certainly can sue his employer. Yes, what an employee does in his off time is soley up to him... but this guy was there acting as a company representative.
I don't have time to read the article in detail, but certain parts of it seem to hint that the problem is too much fructose, not fructose in general, which would be consistent with what I said. Theres a part that says the "normal" amount people would consume via fruits doesn't appear to have any negative affects on insulin levels, but people are consuming about five times as much fructose as they normally could. I suspect that replacing HFCS with sucrose would have the same effect so long as people consumed as much.
*sigh* Learn to read: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9356547?dopt=Abstract " whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related [to the mean insulin scores]" Thats a link to an astract from your page..
Bodybuilders eat slow carbs + protein to have an energy for workout and spare muscle.
Yes, and they purposefully are LEAN carbs & protein to ensure the protein is absorbed quickly pre-workout. Its also avoided POST workout because you WANT to spike your insulin levels... and fat blunts that spike.
I get my "strange" ideas from my trainer, b/c I AM a body builder. Dumbass.
Er, no, that's not true... freezing is not a reliable way to kill bacteria, which is why you're always told to cook the meat to a certain tempurature before eating... even if you had previously frozen it.
My concern is disease... swine flu, black plague, whatever (not saying those specifically... just that its possible for someone to butcher a diseased animal and get the infection from eating the raw meat).
My original field was biochemistry... I'm not entirely pulling this out of my ass, even if I don't have a cite handy.
I'm just curious of the claims.
Meat is generally sterile, until cut open. When it's not we call it an "abcess" and it's usually fairly obvious. ;) Same with eggs, if not exposed to chicken shit (modern caging systems are in part designed to ensure they're not so exposed). Parasites can be present but smoe just get digested, and others are either uncommon or are in fact something we evolved with (frex, ascarids).
I'm thinking along the lines of diseased livestock; say an animal with swine flu, killed before it started to show symptoms. Mad cow also comes to mind.
Of course, even if its sterile until cut open... I don't think we can accomodate everyone having a cow roaming around their apartment until its time for dinner.
"Organic" veggies are rather more likely to be contaminated, due to manure being used as fertilizer.
True, but thats easily overcome with washing.. and the alternative is chemical pestisides on the veggies instead.
Well, fructose doesn't spike insulin levels, so I fail to see how it'd be worse. People DO have too much refined sugar in their diets... but they also have too much fast digesting carbs and fat as well. Doctors trying to pin the blame on one or a few things are doing a serious disservice.
Most people that dislike fruit juice have problems because 1) its mostly NOT fruit juice, instead its sugar water with fruit flavoring and 2) drinks other than water are pretty much a waste, because they are calorie dense and you can drink a lot of calories very quickly, without hunger being blunted.
The other poster likely is confusing HFCS and fructose, but his post is still bunk. Too much of anything is bad, and saying if only HFCS was gone people would be thin is stupid... because people consume way too much fat and OTHER fast digesting carbs as well. If you're going come down on one thing, it should be fat, because it comes in at 9 calories / gram vs. 4 / g for protein or carbs (protein is actually a bit less, being harding to break down).
Well then you phrased it pretty poorly: "Ugh... bread (white) is NOT full of complex carbs." seems to be sort of contrary to the fact that most of the calories in bread come from starch, which is a complex carbohydrate. Maybe you should try to be more precise.
Fair enough; I usually use complex carb to mean "slow digesting," which is typically the case.
That statement is incorrect. If you want to talk about eating fructose instead of glucose, that is fine, but fructose is not a complex carbohydrate, and breads, calorie for calorie, have a much higher percentage of complex carbohydrates than fruits.
Its not, but again, it acts like one in that it doesn't spike your insulin levels.
If the post had said "Eat fruits and vegetables instead of sugar and bread", I wouldn't have had much to say, but the post effectively said "Eat fruits and vegetables for the complex carbs in them, instead of eating sugar and bread", which is quite a confused statement.
Ok, I see your point, but I think the OP was getting at the same thing I was; slow digesting carbs or carbs from fruits and vegtibles are fine. Refined sugar and startch isn't.
I did. Mixed in with all the garbage about how atkins was right (he wasn't) at the end he admits its just a matter of expendature vs intake, thus negating the previous 10 pages. As I said, junk.
Still to lazy to do ANYTHING on your own? Fine: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/weight-loss/MY00432. There's one. But of course I don't know what I'm talking about, its not like I spent money to learn more about it or anything.
Holt et al. have noted that the glucose and insulin scores of most foods are highly correlated, but high-protein foods and bakery products that are rich in fat and refined carbohydrates "elicit insulin responses that were disproportionately higher than their glycemic responses."
You missed the part where fat and protein had a negative (i.e., lowering effect) on insulin levels... which is to be expected. Fat and protein take longer to digest (fat taking the longest), and because the sugar is mixed with the fat, it can't be absorbed as fast. Note this is why bodybuilders take complex carbs + protein before working out, but minimize the amount of fat... becaue fat will slow down the aborbtion of the carbs and protein further.
For someone who doesn't plan on surviving anyway, that just makes dying easier and a lot more spectacular.
Not really.. and if you'd actually read anything they wrote, you'd see killing alot of people was fairly important to them as well.
Plus, they might get to witness the whole campus shooting up each other as people start misidentifying each other as the original shooter.
Right... because of course we'd just hand guns out with no training whatsoever, and people NOT in the same room would rush in like cowboys. Please, give it a rest.
To make the news? To get revenge on society/those jocks/whomever they think needs killing? Just to show that they can actually do it? Does a psycho nutcase really need a reason?
And this is different then what actually happened how, except with more people being dead and the only reason MORE weren't dead was because they killed themselves? You act like I'm saying these things would never happen; I said they might be less likely to happen, big difference, and if they do, it wouldn't be as bad if everyone could defend themselves adequately. And yes, even psychos need reasons... they're often distorted and not based in reality, but they still need a reason.
And how's that different from them getting a few and then shooting themselves?
There likely would have been less death, and the survivors wouldn't be fucked up for a while because they were made to feel powerless to defend themselves.
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Um, how do you know they aren't encrypted before its sent via ftp?
We can get nutrients from raw chicken, cow, or eggs. They're more digestible when cooked, but they're not INdigestible when raw, as grains and veggies are. (And remember, the main thing you get from uncooked fruit is... sugar water.)
Well, thats exactly what I was getting at. Grains and veggies aren't indigestiable uncooked either, I hate to inform you. In fact, the only ones stating similar ideas are blogs... not one scientific study seems to back you up.
And these animal products are all perfectly safe to eat raw. Unsafe animal products are mainly the result of external contamination, not an inherent problem.
And you have evidence to back this claim up?
No matter if you put a pejorative on it or not, the majority of the calories in any fruit come from the sugar in that fruit
And you suppose this is necessarly a bad thing why? Fructose doesn't affect insulin levels, and thus doesn't cause the same insulin overreaction and hence storage as other sugars.
And white bread does contain mostly complex carbohydrates (this is what starches are!), the reason it tastes sweet when it is chewed is that amylase (an enzyme in saliva) breaks the starches down into simpler sugars.
My comment was not aimed at how sweet the bread tastes, it was how quickly it breaks down. Starch, although a complex carb, still breaks down exteremly quickly and spikes insulin levels pretty close to how sugar does.
Did you just reduce an 11-page article to 5 words before responding to it?
Up, I did... because the 11 page article is garbage, not science.
Not to mention, you stopped writing before the important part, the part where you gave a link, or a book, or a researcher's name, or even a vague hint as to where I should go for these more recent studies.
Get off your ass for once and do your own research. Better yet, go pick up the phone and schedule an appointment with a nutritionist.
And I'll give you a hint for the future: fads != healthy living.
Ok... read the link and the numerous other studies. Metabolism doesn't have a bearing on weight loss.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metabolism/WT00006
The Wiki entry you reference has no citations that support the brain running on Ketones at all. Nor do any of the articles on Wikipedia that I checked. The only alernate fuel seems to be lactate, a byproduct of buring glucose: http://www.livescience.com/health/081001-brain-food.html. I've seen no indication that it can run on fatty acids; your muscles can though.
Gluconeogenesis using protein results in ammonia being released into the blood, which can build up in the brain, IIRC, but even if not in the brain, ammonia build up in the body isn't good either. I'd have to look at my materials at home for better references.
Yes... they know going to the school with the intention to shoot it up when they also know the other students and teachers are armed would get them killed. Likewise, if they know the whole society is similarly armed, what would be the point of them trying to mass murder anyway? They'd get a few at most, before they were shot themselves.
And that is relevant to a discussion about the second amendment how?
You're not talking about 2nd amendment rights... you're trying to say gun control needs to be stricter because of these "heat of moments" that might be dangeours.
Hold on for a minute - I was talking about gun safety and marksmanship training specifically. Cops (hopefully) receive training in more areas than these two, and are subject to a little more scrutiny than the average gun owner, especially with regards to staying calm under stress and pressure.
Give it a rest. Applicants to become cops with more than a 6th grade eduacation are rejected outright. Besides your point was that the training is not relevent, due to "heat of moment" situtations.
Wow, going straight to the ad hominem, aren't we?
Nope, just calling it like I see it.
We evolved eating raw foods, which means our macronutrients need to be those available to our systems without cooking or processing.
So, I assume you don't cook your eggs, cow or chicken before you eat it either?
Fruit as I've already said contains sugar which is refined carbs.
You're a total idiot, and at this point can't be bothred to read the rest of your drivel. Sugar in fruits is NOT REFINED! Christ...
Stay away from most grains, eat lots of fruit/vegetables and lean protein and add in some poly unsaturated fat (almonds, cashews, avocado, olive oil/olives) and you'll be on your way to a leaner, healthier you.
No, stay away from enriched grains. Whole grains are prefectly healthy for you; oat meal helps lower HDLs. Whole wheat bread gives sustained energy and fiber. White bread, white rice, white potatoes are to be avoided (actually, even they are fine IMMEDIATELY after a high intensity workout). Whole wheat bread, brown rice, sweet potateos are very healthy.
Stop it... its a simple carb, like any other simple carb. Stop eating so much of it, and you'll be fine.
THERE IS NO SIMPLE MAGIC BULLET. A controlled diet and exercise are the only ways to get and stay healthy.
Well, what you say is true, somewhat. Your body will start using fat once the glucose stores are gone. It has no choice... either that or you die right there, and we know you won't die right there. This is why lifting prior to cardio is more effective than just doing cardio. You ensure that by the time you're doing your cardio, your glucose stores are gone. There's also the calorie factor... spending an hour running instead of walking and you will burn more fat, because you've upped the total amount of calories burned so much.
So which would you rather do in 60 minutes? Burn 300 calories at 80% fat burn, or 1000 calories at 45% fat burn? I'd rather the latter. Walking only wins if you spend more time doing it... and most people don't have that much time.