I've done a lot of things to make sure that the company stays free & open. Firstly, by making myself the final word (for now). Per our bylaws, I can only be removed from the company by court order.:)
The board of directors is me, Steven (long time employee, very much for free/open), and Bdale Garbee (very hardcore netgod of free software development). We will only have people on the board that are already 100% on board with free software. So we have another layer of protection there.
The non-libre folks that are very technically savvy that we have on board have influence in how things are done, but they don't have the final say. Though they are still on board with us running a libre company. Even if they earned their chops during the 80s (or earlier), they can see the huge growth in open systems. They just don't have direct experience in free software.
Then ultimately who gets to say what a company does is the owners. Most high tech high growth companies are angling to get bought out, get a lot of venture capital, and/or go public. This is usually the founders' "exit", where they get the pile of cash. When that happens, the company is likely to absorb the traditional non-libre practices of the parent company.
We are taking a different approach. If we can pull this all together, the idea is to convert Aleph Objects, Inc. into an ESOP (employee stock ownership plan). This means we don't have to be beholden to outsiders. It also allows the current owners an exit, in that they sell their stock to the ESOP. There are a lot of other advantages to ESOPs. The earliest we can decide whether to go for it or not would be December 2015, which we could make retroactive to January 2015. ESOPs are complicated.
Np, I can handle trolls. This thread has been surprisingly lucid, actually.;)
Colorado's 2nd Congressional district is represented by Congressman Jared Polis. This district includes Boulder, Fort Collins, and Loveland (where we are). Polis and his family started bluemountain.com and made out with hundreds of millions of dollars during the 1990s dotcom boom. So he's probably the only dotcom millionaire in Congress and probably the only congressman that could set up Apache.;) He is well informed on patent issues, is actively trying to find a solution to the present conundrum, and is more than happy to listen to the free/libre/open crowd.
I haven't spoken to the other Congressmen about patents yet, but I will likely speak with Cory Gardner of the 4th district in the next couple months if I get the chance (we'll be at some of the same meetings).
I spoke to two of Polis' potential election challengers. Neither of them knew particularly much about free/libre/open as far as I could tell, but they both seemed more than happy to learn about it. I will try to get them to visit our facility and give them the full show. They are definitely for reforming the system though--they can see it is broken. My brief argument is that we're stuck with a 19th century system in the 21st century. Plus I hammer home that even if we follow strict patent rules, the rest of the world isn't (e.g. China), so we're just hamstringing American companies by holding back their innovation with patents. That line of argument is a huge winner with politicians, btw...
The problem with the "patent now and open later" approach is that it then takes "forever" to get a product to market. If you throw a year or two away just waiting for the patent, you've lost a lot of time. Also, it means the development of the product has to be done in secret, so there is no community development process available. We would rather publish early & often.:)
One patent lawyer for a major company mentioned that she saw all the older guys were all proud of their patents and showed them off, but the young engineers just cringed at the mention of patents and wanted nothing to do with them.
We are definitely not working in our basement, though we did start in mine 3+ years ago. Gizmag visited our current facility recently. You can check out their tour here:
We definitely pay salaries too. In fact, we're set up with a Professional Employers Organization, Insperity. We offer healthcare to 22 employees, along with the other standard benefits.
We're not (all) kids either. My slashdot account is getting close to 18 years old even.;) Our staff, advisors, and board of directors includes people with their signature on Mars for components they designed, the former Director of Engineering of Seagate (wrap your mind around the complexity of that for a minute), a major former HP exec responsible for $18 billion/year, the former Director of Finance of Digital Globe (Google Maps), and the chair of the Debian Technical Committee.
Also, our patent attorney has won billion dollar (with a "B") patent cases. He's no slouch.:) Plus we work with EFF, Harvard Cyberlaw, Public Knowledge, and other groups to push back against patents in 3D printing and patents in general.
I've spoken about it at length with our US Congressman Jared Polis (he invited me to a patent workshop too) and two of his potential rivals in November. I spoke briefly about it with US Senator Michael Bennet when he visited. So we're working on it at the political layer too.
Jeff Moe from LulzBot here (aka jebba). Thanks for your nice comments.:)
We actually don't have an interest in *running* a free/open/libre repository, but we'd sure like to see one exist. Ideally, there should be a thingiverse-like site that is run more like the Wikipedia Foundation. A "neutral" non-profit, with no ads, run by donations. The donations can come from various 3D printer companies and end users.
Also note, some folks think MediaGoblin is the hosting site. They are just the makers of the web software. Anyone can set up a MediaGoblin site on their own servers. With luck, many will do so.
Jeff Moe here, founder of Aleph Objects, Inc. maker of the LulzBot 3D printer. Note this is a printer which makes *objects*, not a printer that prints on paper.
I haven't spent much time on/. recently. I appreciate the post and the positive comments from many of you. The others, not so much.;) I typically use the nick "jebba", but this account got set up with "yeb" for some reason, long forgot.
I am a long time supporter of free software, open culture, open publishing, etc. I am not a communist, as you can figure out if you go to opensecrets.org or many other places (cf. http://thebubblefilm.com/ )
That may be old news, but it continues. The cops are harassing lots of Indymedia (and related) people in Minnesota right now. Lots of people being charged with felonies for "rioting" even when they are in their *homes*.
The censorship is already here. They have intimidated people to *not* report (but plenty reports come through).
Oh and Amy Goodman of Democracy Now was arrested this week too.
Not to talk of the control of the radio/tv exerted by the govt, and how often they shut down "pirate" radio....
With the public now knowing that their phones and emails are recorded, the intimidation is already in place. Who wants to speak up or protest in Minnesota now for example? A few remaining die hards, but the rest have been (reasonably) scared away. That itself is censorship (if not state terrorism).
The people who claim "no censorship" are likely people who have never said anything.
I am working on a project to "liberate" the EeePC so it runs only Free Software as defined by the Free Software Foundation.
Already, most of the bits are there, but need to be patched in to the kernel (e.g. ACPI, "eee.ko", ATL2 ethernet). There is no free wifi driver working yet, but it is actively being worked on as a part of ath5k.
The other main non-free part is the BIOS. Hopefully someday we'll be able to get coreboot running.
So what else of possible interest to the FBI other than logfiles was on those servers Jeff?
The FBI (and other govt groups) often do fishing expeditions just to see what they can find. Here in Colorado, they have been harassing all kinds of peace groups and keeping files on them (including a group that won the Nobel peace prize(!)). So it may not be that they look for something in particular, but just hope to find something interesting. Like snooping through your house ("sneak & peak" they now call it).
The vast majority of stuff on the two servers was public. But there were a handful of email accounts (including my BLAG mail). There's also/var/log/* which would have records of ssh (admin) connections, so they could track down who was actually adminning the box (a couple dozen or so accounts).
But it doesn't really even matter whether there was some "top secret" data on there or not. If the cops bust down your door and go through your things, what would you think if your neighbor asked, "ya, but did you have anything you wanted to hide?" Isn't there some "American" trait of freedom, independence, and demanding the govt stay out of our lives? It seems that has gotten a bit lost by many.
But of course, you're not even aware of the particulars in this case. The ITALIANS requested the evidence. The hosting was in the UK. The issue was the publication of photos and names of undercover law enforcement people in Switzerland (completely against the law).
1) The seizure didn't have anything to do with the photos of cops. At first, people speculated those photos (which were removed by indymedia before the FBI was even in the picture), had something to do with it. But it turns out it has something to do with Italy, not Switzerland.
2) Publishing those photos is probably not against the law.
3) Those undercover cops are routinely ones who start riots & smashing things up, so demonstrations can be squashed.
...anti-globalization crazies
Sheez. Thanks. I don't consider myself crazy...;) Perhaps you should travel the world a bit and see what the neo-con (and "liberal") policies are actually doing to the world. And don't forget to leave the hotel and the tourist zone...
Daaaaaaaaahhh. I keep seeing things like this in comments:
Indymedia gave copies of the drives...
Indymedia didn't give the FBI a damn thing. Rackspace gave the FBI the drives of TWO servers--one of which didn't even host the site they were after. Then Rackspace apparently gave them a CD of some data.
Wow. That's wild to see CJ3 referred to in comments on this/. story.
That kook-of-the-month was once a customer of mine for about 3 weeks when I ran Verinet. I remembered his flakiness before he ran off to bother some other ISP. I had forgotten his name.
Yes, that is the issue at stake: though they ended up with the drives in their possession, the FBI did not seize the drives.
No, they just happened to wind up with them. Do they still have copies? Where are they? What have they looked at?
Except they didn't. They asked for the logs; Indymedia violated the reasonable expectation of privacy by handing over much more than was requested. The targeted request for specific logs was not the issue IMO.
Indymedia violated privacy? Surely you mean rackspace here.
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There were a few other things besides publicly available content on there. Some of my email, for one.
What if the FBI had hacked into Indymedia to secretly monitor their logs, so that Indymedia never had a second of downtime and got to keep all their hardware. Would that undermine our argument about privacy and freedom of speech?
So you disqualify that based on "slippery slope"? But it's what the Italian government has done, and something tells me the US govt is probably more tech saavy. So were already at the bottom of the slippery slope you think will never happen. We know that the Italian government took the private key used by https of an activist server to monitor webmail using a man-in-the-middle attack. See:
Alternative Servers Attacked: "Not a Private Question: A Question of Privacy"
My point was that the foil-hat crowd soiled themselves when they saw the original story and were positive the FBI was a bunch of jackbooted thugs, etc; now that Indymedia has been identified as the reason for the excessive disclosure we shall hear nary a peep from/. [re: the behavior of the ISP]. That's all, really. Cheers!
The FBI isn't a bunch of jackbooted thugs? I guess you're right. In Guantanamo they were complaining that the military was being excessive. They're nice folks. Read their history and you'll see the great things they've done.
Again, you say "now that Indymedia has been identified as the reason for the excessive disclosure"--what the hell are you talking about? Do you mean rackspace again, or do you not know what's going on, or what? Indymedia didn't turn over anything. Indymedia wasn't asked either, FWIW.
Well, presumably they were looking for the IP addresses in the log files, of which there were none. So the logs don't have any info of use.
I was pointing out that it was easy to find the log files in general, since some people think they may have been buried, encrypted somewhere, or whatever.
The Feds acted reasonably? What the hell was so top secret in the documents released that they had to stay sealed for 9 months? The Feds even fought to keep these paltry crumbs sealed too.
FWIW, ahimsa* (the boxes these indymedia sites were on), did not have managed backup service. They could get root on the box easily enough as they had full physical access. There weren't any encrypted partitions or anything like that.
Indymedia is an open-posting site that allows anyone to submit articles, photos, audio, and video to their site. In many ways it's similar to slashdot (both in good and bad ways).
Indymedia has political content, typically from an anarchist/feminist/leftist/libertarian/green/anti- war
whatever viewpoint. This tends to piss off many governments (Italy, U.S., France, etc.) and corporations (e.g. Diebold, the manufacturers of the U.S.'s electronic voting machines using the DMCA against Indymedia; in the end Diebold was found guilty...).
The Italian government seems to particularily hate Indymedia. One parliamentarian, who happens to be the granddaughter of Mussolini (yes, that Mussolini), has called for Indymedia to be shut down.
In 2001, the Italian government raided an Indymedia center (legally) set up during the G8 meetings/protests there. They sent scores of people to the hospital, including putting people in comas. It was not nice. They beat the hell out of people, smashed cameras and computers. The Italian govt claimed they found molotov cockails and other weapons--the cops later admitted they planted the evidence. Just like fascists of "old".
Last year, around the time of the server seizure, the Italian government had an ISP shut down a server so they could steal the private key used for https encryption. They could then mount a man-in-the-middle attack reading all "encrypted" content, including webmail. The Italian govt got away with this attack for a year before it was discovered. The server was used by many indymedia and activist folks (the server was run by autistici--"the autistics" in italian).
So when some Indymedia sites disappear off the 'net and it's tracked back to the Italian government with FBI cooperation it's not too big of a surprise. I'm sure they are thrilled that rackspace is getting nailed for the whole thing.
-Jeff, ahimsa* admin (which hosts italy.indymedia.org, the targetted site)
Slashdot Mirror
Yes, get a TAZ! :)
https://www.lulzbot.com/produc...
I've done a lot of things to make sure that the company stays free & open. Firstly, by making myself the final word (for now). Per our bylaws, I can only be removed from the company by court order. :)
The board of directors is me, Steven (long time employee, very much for free/open), and Bdale Garbee (very hardcore netgod of free software development). We will only have people on the board that are already 100% on board with free software. So we have another layer of protection there.
The non-libre folks that are very technically savvy that we have on board have influence in how things are done, but they don't have the final say. Though they are still on board with us running a libre company. Even if they earned their chops during the 80s (or earlier), they can see the huge growth in open systems. They just don't have direct experience in free software.
Then ultimately who gets to say what a company does is the owners. Most high tech high growth companies are angling to get bought out, get a lot of venture capital, and/or go public. This is usually the founders' "exit", where they get the pile of cash. When that happens, the company is likely to absorb the traditional non-libre practices of the parent company.
We are taking a different approach. If we can pull this all together, the idea is to convert Aleph Objects, Inc. into an ESOP (employee stock ownership plan). This means we don't have to be beholden to outsiders. It also allows the current owners an exit, in that they sell their stock to the ESOP. There are a lot of other advantages to ESOPs. The earliest we can decide whether to go for it or not would be December 2015, which we could make retroactive to January 2015. ESOPs are complicated.
I used to hack on the N900 too...
http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jeb...
Np, I can handle trolls. This thread has been surprisingly lucid, actually. ;)
Colorado's 2nd Congressional district is represented by Congressman Jared Polis. This district includes Boulder, Fort Collins, and Loveland (where we are). Polis and his family started bluemountain.com and made out with hundreds of millions of dollars during the 1990s dotcom boom. So he's probably the only dotcom millionaire in Congress and probably the only congressman that could set up Apache. ;) He is well informed on patent issues, is actively trying to find a solution to the present conundrum, and is more than happy to listen to the free/libre/open crowd.
I haven't spoken to the other Congressmen about patents yet, but I will likely speak with Cory Gardner of the 4th district in the next couple months if I get the chance (we'll be at some of the same meetings).
I spoke to two of Polis' potential election challengers. Neither of them knew particularly much about free/libre/open as far as I could tell, but they both seemed more than happy to learn about it. I will try to get them to visit our facility and give them the full show. They are definitely for reforming the system though--they can see it is broken. My brief argument is that we're stuck with a 19th century system in the 21st century. Plus I hammer home that even if we follow strict patent rules, the rest of the world isn't (e.g. China), so we're just hamstringing American companies by holding back their innovation with patents. That line of argument is a huge winner with politicians, btw...
The problem with the "patent now and open later" approach is that it then takes "forever" to get a product to market. If you throw a year or two away just waiting for the patent, you've lost a lot of time. Also, it means the development of the product has to be done in secret, so there is no community development process available. We would rather publish early & often. :)
One patent lawyer for a major company mentioned that she saw all the older guys were all proud of their patents and showed them off, but the young engineers just cringed at the mention of patents and wanted nothing to do with them.
NotDrWho,
We are definitely not working in our basement, though we did start in mine 3+ years ago. Gizmag visited our current facility recently. You can check out their tour here:
http://www.gizmag.com/tour-ale...
We definitely pay salaries too. In fact, we're set up with a Professional Employers Organization, Insperity. We offer healthcare to 22 employees, along with the other standard benefits.
We're not (all) kids either. My slashdot account is getting close to 18 years old even. ;) Our staff, advisors, and board of directors includes people with their signature on Mars for components they designed, the former Director of Engineering of Seagate (wrap your mind around the complexity of that for a minute), a major former HP exec responsible for $18 billion/year, the former Director of Finance of Digital Globe (Google Maps), and the chair of the Debian Technical Committee.
Also, our patent attorney has won billion dollar (with a "B") patent cases. He's no slouch. :) Plus we work with EFF, Harvard Cyberlaw, Public Knowledge, and other groups to push back against patents in 3D printing and patents in general.
I've spoken about it at length with our US Congressman Jared Polis (he invited me to a patent workshop too) and two of his potential rivals in November. I spoke briefly about it with US Senator Michael Bennet when he visited. So we're working on it at the political layer too.
Just sayin'...
-Jeff Moe, Aleph Objects, Inc. CEO
Jeff Moe from LulzBot here (aka jebba). Thanks for your nice comments. :)
We actually don't have an interest in *running* a free/open/libre repository, but we'd sure like to see one exist. Ideally, there should be a thingiverse-like site that is run more like the Wikipedia Foundation. A "neutral" non-profit, with no ads, run by donations. The donations can come from various 3D printer companies and end users.
Also note, some folks think MediaGoblin is the hosting site. They are just the makers of the web software. Anyone can set up a MediaGoblin site on their own servers. With luck, many will do so.
Jeff Moe here, founder of Aleph Objects, Inc. maker of the LulzBot 3D printer. Note this is a printer which makes *objects*, not a printer that prints on paper.
I haven't spent much time on /. recently. I appreciate the post and the positive comments from many of you. The others, not so much. ;) I typically use the nick "jebba", but this account got set up with "yeb" for some reason, long forgot.
I am a long time supporter of free software, open culture, open publishing, etc. I am not a communist, as you can figure out if you go to opensecrets.org or many other places (cf. http://thebubblefilm.com/ )
Just saying hi. Thanks again, and happy hacking!
MakerBot has a patent on their automated build platform. See here:
http://www.google.com/patents/US8226395
-Jeff Moe (jebba)
For milling type machines along the lines of a makerbot, see the Contraptor:
http://www.contraptor.org/
I just started assembly of a Makerbot Cupcake. Unboxing & some assembly photos here:
http://www.alephobjects.com/photos/printers/makerbot/cupcake/
I have some other printers as well, in various states, more photos:
http://www.alephobjects.com/photos/printers/
The Makerbot stuff is very well documented relative to the other projects.
-Jeff Moe
http://freeeee.org/
FREEEEE - 100% Free Software GNU/Linux for Eee
Ya, no censorship in the USA...
http://www.eff.org/Censorship/Indymedia
That may be old news, but it continues. The cops are harassing lots of Indymedia (and related) people in Minnesota right now. Lots of people being charged with felonies for "rioting" even when they are in their *homes*.
The censorship is already here. They have intimidated people to *not* report (but plenty reports come through).
Oh and Amy Goodman of Democracy Now was arrested this week too.
Not to talk of the control of the radio/tv exerted by the govt, and how often they shut down "pirate" radio....
With the public now knowing that their phones and emails are recorded, the intimidation is already in place. Who wants to speak up or protest in Minnesota now for example? A few remaining die hards, but the rest have been (reasonably) scared away. That itself is censorship (if not state terrorism).
The people who claim "no censorship" are likely people who have never said anything.
I am working on a project to "liberate" the EeePC so it runs only Free Software as defined by the Free Software Foundation.
Already, most of the bits are there, but need to be patched in to the kernel (e.g. ACPI, "eee.ko", ATL2 ethernet). There is no free wifi driver working yet, but it is actively being worked on as a part of ath5k.
The other main non-free part is the BIOS. Hopefully someday we'll be able to get coreboot running.
My notes, docs, code, etc:
http://www.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/developers/jebba/eee/
git repository of patched kernel:
git://blaggit.blagblagblag.org/linux-freeeee
-Jeff
But the subpoena was served by the US govt, so the Constitution does apply.
The servers were in the UK and managed by Rackspace UK, a UK registered company which has to follow UK laws.
Italy should have gone through the UK legal system with Rackspace UK, but perhaps they thought it would be easier to use the US.
-Jeff
The FBI (and other govt groups) often do fishing expeditions just to see what they can find. Here in Colorado, they have been harassing all kinds of peace groups and keeping files on them (including a group that won the Nobel peace prize(!)). So it may not be that they look for something in particular, but just hope to find something interesting. Like snooping through your house ("sneak & peak" they now call it).
The vast majority of stuff on the two servers was public. But there were a handful of email accounts (including my BLAG mail). There's also /var/log/* which would have records of ssh (admin) connections, so they could track down who was actually adminning the box (a couple dozen or so accounts).
But it doesn't really even matter whether there was some "top secret" data on there or not. If the cops bust down your door and go through your things, what would you think if your neighbor asked, "ya, but did you have anything you wanted to hide?" Isn't there some "American" trait of freedom, independence, and demanding the govt stay out of our lives? It seems that has gotten a bit lost by many.
-Jeff
1) The seizure didn't have anything to do with the photos of cops. At first, people speculated those photos (which were removed by indymedia before the FBI was even in the picture), had something to do with it. But it turns out it has something to do with Italy, not Switzerland.
2) Publishing those photos is probably not against the law.
3) Those undercover cops are routinely ones who start riots & smashing things up, so demonstrations can be squashed.
Sheez. Thanks. I don't consider myself crazy... ;) Perhaps you should travel the world a bit and see what the neo-con (and "liberal") policies are actually doing to the world. And don't forget to leave the hotel and the tourist zone...
-Jeff
Indymedia gave copies of the drives...
Indymedia didn't give the FBI a damn thing. Rackspace gave the FBI the drives of TWO servers--one of which didn't even host the site they were after. Then Rackspace apparently gave them a CD of some data.
-Jeff
Alternative Servers Attacked: "Not a Private Question: A Question of Privacy"
-Jeff
How does rackspace have any idea what the FBI did with their copies?
That kook-of-the-month was once a customer of mine for about 3 weeks when I ran Verinet. I remembered his flakiness before he ran off to bother some other ISP. I had forgotten his name.
heh. totally irrelevant...anyhoo.
-Jeff
No, they just happened to wind up with them. Do they still have copies? Where are they? What have they looked at?
Except they didn't. They asked for the logs; Indymedia violated the reasonable expectation of privacy by handing over much more than was requested. The targeted request for specific logs was not the issue IMO.
Indymedia violated privacy? Surely you mean rackspace here.
[content]
There were a few other things besides publicly available content on there. Some of my email, for one.
What if the FBI had hacked into Indymedia to secretly monitor their logs, so that Indymedia never had a second of downtime and got to keep all their hardware. Would that undermine our argument about privacy and freedom of speech?
BZZZT! Absurd slippery slope argument: -5 points. :-)
So you disqualify that based on "slippery slope"? But it's what the Italian government has done, and something tells me the US govt is probably more tech saavy. So were already at the bottom of the slippery slope you think will never happen. We know that the Italian government took the private key used by https of an activist server to monitor webmail using a man-in-the-middle attack. See:
Alternative Servers Attacked: "Not a Private Question: A Question of Privacy"
My point was that the foil-hat crowd soiled themselves when they saw the original story and were positive the FBI was a bunch of jackbooted thugs, etc; now that Indymedia has been identified as the reason for the excessive disclosure we shall hear nary a peep from /. [re: the behavior of the ISP]. That's all, really. Cheers!
The FBI isn't a bunch of jackbooted thugs? I guess you're right. In Guantanamo they were complaining that the military was being excessive. They're nice folks. Read their history and you'll see the great things they've done.
Again, you say "now that Indymedia has been identified as the reason for the excessive disclosure"--what the hell are you talking about? Do you mean rackspace again, or do you not know what's going on, or what? Indymedia didn't turn over anything. Indymedia wasn't asked either, FWIW.
-Jeff
I was pointing out that it was easy to find the log files in general, since some people think they may have been buried, encrypted somewhere, or whatever.
-Jeff
The Feds acted reasonably? What the hell was so top secret in the documents released that they had to stay sealed for 9 months? The Feds even fought to keep these paltry crumbs sealed too.
-Jeff, ahimsa* admin
Indymedia has political content, typically from an anarchist/feminist/leftist/libertarian/green/anti- war
whatever viewpoint. This tends to piss off many governments (Italy, U.S., France, etc.) and corporations (e.g. Diebold, the manufacturers of the U.S.'s electronic voting machines using the DMCA against Indymedia; in the end Diebold was found guilty...).
The Italian government seems to particularily hate Indymedia. One parliamentarian, who happens to be the granddaughter of Mussolini (yes, that Mussolini), has called for Indymedia to be shut down.
In 2001, the Italian government raided an Indymedia center (legally) set up during the G8 meetings/protests there. They sent scores of people to the hospital, including putting people in comas. It was not nice. They beat the hell out of people, smashed cameras and computers. The Italian govt claimed they found molotov cockails and other weapons--the cops later admitted they planted the evidence. Just like fascists of "old".
Last year, around the time of the server seizure, the Italian government had an ISP shut down a server so they could steal the private key used for https encryption. They could then mount a man-in-the-middle attack reading all "encrypted" content, including webmail. The Italian govt got away with this attack for a year before it was discovered. The server was used by many indymedia and activist folks (the server was run by autistici--"the autistics" in italian).
So when some Indymedia sites disappear off the 'net and it's tracked back to the Italian government with FBI cooperation it's not too big of a surprise. I'm sure they are thrilled that rackspace is getting nailed for the whole thing.
-Jeff, ahimsa* admin (which hosts italy.indymedia.org, the targetted site)