>...I also get my information from the BBC, NPR, > and all sorts of printed media, am I still a > moron?
Ah, you do know that the BBC is a state broadcaster, don't you? And that the UK government (and BBC paymasters) is the USA's biggest fan?
Note that I'm not necessarily accusing the BBC of bias - merely pointing out that you can't rely on state-owned media to give you an alternative to pro-state media.
I have *no* comment on whether you're still a moron.
> (I have never seen any verifiable proof that > Echelon hardware is in US), and therefore cannot > be used to intercept strictly domestic US > communications (as Patriot can)?
I've never seen any verifiable proof that Echelon hardware exists in the UK - I kinda think that's point - but I'm damn sure that RAF Menwith Hill is staffed by USAF personnel for a reason. David Lange, NZ's former Prime Minister, remarked that *he* didn't know the half of what Echelon did in NZ whilst he was PM. The US (and the UK and Canada, AFAIK) do their best to keep Echelon secret. What little we know about Echelon has come from NZ and Australian leaks, and from the European Union's investigation into British involvment with Echelon - those damned Euros thought Britain might be spying on other European countries, or their companies.
Finally (!), I doubt Echelon hardware in the USA spies on US citizens. Hardware in Canada (or the UK, Australia or NZ) would do that. US Echelon hardware would likewise monitor Canadian, British, Australian and New Zealand traffic (and anything else *non-domestic* that they wanted).
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> ...I also get my information from the BBC, NPR,
> and all sorts of printed media, am I still a
> moron?
Ah, you do know that the BBC is a state broadcaster, don't you? And that the UK government (and BBC paymasters) is the USA's biggest fan?
Note that I'm not necessarily accusing the BBC of bias - merely pointing out that you can't rely on state-owned media to give you an alternative to pro-state media.
I have *no* comment on whether you're still a moron.
> (I have never seen any verifiable proof that
> Echelon hardware is in US), and therefore cannot
> be used to intercept strictly domestic US
> communications (as Patriot can)?
I've never seen any verifiable proof that Echelon hardware exists in the UK - I kinda think that's point - but I'm damn sure that RAF Menwith Hill is staffed by USAF personnel for a reason. David Lange, NZ's former Prime Minister, remarked that *he* didn't know the half of what Echelon did in NZ whilst he was PM. The US (and the UK and Canada, AFAIK) do their best to keep Echelon secret. What little we know about Echelon has come from NZ and Australian leaks, and from the European Union's investigation into British involvment with Echelon - those damned Euros thought Britain might be spying on other European countries, or their companies.
Finally (!), I doubt Echelon hardware in the USA spies on US citizens. Hardware in Canada (or the UK, Australia or NZ) would do that. US Echelon hardware would likewise monitor Canadian, British, Australian and New Zealand traffic (and anything else *non-domestic* that they wanted).