Now, I don't know him from Adam, but maybe, to him, it just doesn't matter. I mean, what were his intentions? World domination? Or was it/is it just a fun hobby? If Linux was to be declared illegal tomorrow, he might just think, "Eh", and do something else. He appears quite capable of that. I can only assume he has a nice nest-egg built up. So would he suffer any great loss that he really cares about?
If different members of the development community (and Sun is and continues to be a huge member of that community) perpetually sue each other, it hurts the Open Source reputation (which equals fewer customers and fewer developers) and it prevents them from working together toward the common goal of a better set of software for everybody.
Yes, it does do all that. Now...try to think of who could possibly benefit from such an arrangement, and everything will conveniently fall into place.
I don't see Novell clawing for its very survival using the legal system to extort F/OSS users.
Patience... The day is young. And remember, since we're always being reminded to call it GNU/Linux, it would only be proper to call the other Microsoft/Novell. In the court system, the SCO case was just metaphorically "casing the joint". Round Two is going to be much more interesting.
So far SUSE is still open. For how much longer, nobody but Novell and Microsoft know for sure. That's how it relates to other community based projects being closed. My speculations are based on past performances and the general demeanor of business.
Do you have any idea what goes on in the business world?
Yeah. Prices keep going up. What's that thing? "You don't need to be a chicken to recognize an egg"? I put forth the question to you, Do you know what goes on behind closed doors? Are you ever surprised by savings & loans scandals? Or WorldCom or Enron scandals? I'm not. I'm only disappointed that more of these people don't get caught. Do you actually doubt that they keep at least two sets of books? With the kind of power big business wields, you under some impression that they are not corrupt? Do you believe that every shortage is anything more than a simple disagreement over the price, be it gas, water, electricity, etc.? Please, save the patronizing, okay? I'm not impressed by vague questions made with the intent of displaying some sort of superiority. To me it shows arrogance. We'll see in due time how much influence Microsoft has over Novell and SUSE. A while back somebody tried to point out to me that Sony Entertainment and Sony Electronics are different entities. I needed to point out to that person that the electronics division is loaded with DRM at the behest of the entertainment division. They are not separate. I believe we will soon see the same thing here. I have no reason not to.
What is it exactly on there that you dispute?
That they won't sue. It's best to stay away from people who hang a sword over your head. 235 patents indeed...
Covenant not to sue each others _customers_ over patents.
That's about as believable as a search engine's "privacy policy". And BitTorrent and MySQL shows just what happens to the community when its contributions become part of big business. And didn't the same thing happen to CDDB? Sorry, the threat is just too large. And as far as I'm concerned, SUSE is a Microsoft product now. As for the link, I want a second opinion. Hopefully we won't need one from a judge.
...eventually they're going to hit the iPod generation head on.
Oh please! We all expected big changes after getting rid of Nixon. What we got was a whole lot of nothing. Once the iPod generation gets a taste of that power, they will just become like the rest already have. What's that saying? "A republican is just a democrat with money." You believe that after 20,000 years, this is the epiphany? I don't think so.
The "new and improved" RIAA approved BitTorrent protocol. This is the official one that won't be throttled by your ISP. Full of DRM goodies for Hollywood to control.
While the BitTorrent client and the latest protocol may not be published, therefore technically closed source, the protocol is still open. The details of the protocol extensions, including all the latest revisions, are still available to whoever wants them, providing they obtain the easily obtainable SDK license. BitTorrent's recent move isn't going to make everyone happy, but those wishing to help develop the BitTorrent community probably won't notice much of a difference.
Sure...okay. It's closed, but it's open. Sounds like a statement coming from a government bureaucrat. I guess I wasn't too far off. Software has too many licenses. I'm not about to pile this one on.
...policy that's been determined through considered rational thought, and which has organically evolved to meet the challenges of the times.
"...It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU WILL ATONE!..."
Once Konqueror gets a Windows build, it's game-over for Firefox. It's a better browser - it just hasn't, until recently, run on Windows.
I happen to agree it's a much better browser, and a very good file manager, among other things, BUT there's nothing to make me think that once it becomes popular enough, the exact same thing won't happen to it. Popular software gets sucked into the corporate venus fly trap faster than a trailer park gets sucked into a tornado. The nice thing about all this open source though, is that nobody can claim exclusivity. We can always make something similar, a little bit better, and put a different name on it. I was under the impression that's the idea behind GPL and BSD and Creative Commons, etc. to begin with. So we can simply forget about the guy who takes a wrong turn, instead of following him over the cliff.
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They're just restin'
With whom?
He just doesn't seem to get it.
Now, I don't know him from Adam, but maybe, to him, it just doesn't matter. I mean, what were his intentions? World domination? Or was it/is it just a fun hobby? If Linux was to be declared illegal tomorrow, he might just think, "Eh", and do something else. He appears quite capable of that. I can only assume he has a nice nest-egg built up. So would he suffer any great loss that he really cares about?
If no one else votes, then guess who gets elected? Another Bush.
Very funny.
What precisely should they do?
Vote for somebody else! "...a blender. Anything"
It's quite amazing that we still have problems manufacturing 'safe' batteries.
There is no technical problem in doing so. It's strictly a matter of economics.
If different members of the development community (and Sun is and continues to be a huge member of that community) perpetually sue each other, it hurts the Open Source reputation (which equals fewer customers and fewer developers) and it prevents them from working together toward the common goal of a better set of software for everybody.
Yes, it does do all that. Now...try to think of who could possibly benefit from such an arrangement, and everything will conveniently fall into place.
I don't see Novell clawing for its very survival using the legal system to extort F/OSS users.
Patience... The day is young. And remember, since we're always being reminded to call it GNU/Linux, it would only be proper to call the other Microsoft/Novell. In the court system, the SCO case was just metaphorically "casing the joint". Round Two is going to be much more interesting.
Not to mention a hydrogen-oxygen tank would be incredibly dangerous.
So is a gasoline tank. Well, Ford's anyway.
Where can I find one of these feline gardeners?
Microsoft wins. It was just handed to them on a silver platter.
f not, then why do you care about the deal?
So far SUSE is still open. For how much longer, nobody but Novell and Microsoft know for sure. That's how it relates to other community based projects being closed. My speculations are based on past performances and the general demeanor of business.
Do you have any idea what goes on in the business world?
Yeah. Prices keep going up. What's that thing? "You don't need to be a chicken to recognize an egg"? I put forth the question to you, Do you know what goes on behind closed doors? Are you ever surprised by savings & loans scandals? Or WorldCom or Enron scandals? I'm not. I'm only disappointed that more of these people don't get caught. Do you actually doubt that they keep at least two sets of books? With the kind of power big business wields, you under some impression that they are not corrupt? Do you believe that every shortage is anything more than a simple disagreement over the price, be it gas, water, electricity, etc.? Please, save the patronizing, okay? I'm not impressed by vague questions made with the intent of displaying some sort of superiority. To me it shows arrogance. We'll see in due time how much influence Microsoft has over Novell and SUSE. A while back somebody tried to point out to me that Sony Entertainment and Sony Electronics are different entities. I needed to point out to that person that the electronics division is loaded with DRM at the behest of the entertainment division. They are not separate. I believe we will soon see the same thing here. I have no reason not to.
What is it exactly on there that you dispute?
That they won't sue. It's best to stay away from people who hang a sword over your head. 235 patents indeed...
FTL:
Covenant not to sue each others _customers_ over patents.
That's about as believable as a search engine's "privacy policy". And BitTorrent and MySQL shows just what happens to the community when its contributions become part of big business. And didn't the same thing happen to CDDB? Sorry, the threat is just too large. And as far as I'm concerned, SUSE is a Microsoft product now. As for the link, I want a second opinion. Hopefully we won't need one from a judge.
You must be one of those old timers that didn't have to suffer the new math from the 60s. Hint: It's all about self esteem now.
That's a Microsoft product, right? Just checking, that's all.
...eventually they're going to hit the iPod generation head on.
Oh please! We all expected big changes after getting rid of Nixon. What we got was a whole lot of nothing. Once the iPod generation gets a taste of that power, they will just become like the rest already have. What's that saying? "A republican is just a democrat with money." You believe that after 20,000 years, this is the epiphany? I don't think so.
"The other discussions have been archived. No new comments can be posted."
The "new and improved" RIAA approved BitTorrent protocol. This is the official one that won't be throttled by your ISP. Full of DRM goodies for Hollywood to control.
While the BitTorrent client and the latest protocol may not be published, therefore technically closed source, the protocol is still open. The details of the protocol extensions, including all the latest revisions, are still available to whoever wants them, providing they obtain the easily obtainable SDK license. BitTorrent's recent move isn't going to make everyone happy, but those wishing to help develop the BitTorrent community probably won't notice much of a difference.
Sure...okay. It's closed, but it's open. Sounds like a statement coming from a government bureaucrat. I guess I wasn't too far off. Software has too many licenses. I'm not about to pile this one on.
"C'est la Vie"
How in the world is anybody going to verify that the data is actually being "shredded"? I don't believe this for a second.
Since when did failure become a path to success?
March 20, 2003
...policy that's been determined through considered rational thought, and which has organically evolved to meet the challenges of the times.
"...It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU WILL ATONE!..."
I doubt a lot of people would wear sunglasses just then.
Lentes obscuro, marijuano seguro
We can always depend on the government to help out.
Once Konqueror gets a Windows build, it's game-over for Firefox. It's a better browser - it just hasn't, until recently, run on Windows.
I happen to agree it's a much better browser, and a very good file manager, among other things, BUT there's nothing to make me think that once it becomes popular enough, the exact same thing won't happen to it. Popular software gets sucked into the corporate venus fly trap faster than a trailer park gets sucked into a tornado. The nice thing about all this open source though, is that nobody can claim exclusivity. We can always make something similar, a little bit better, and put a different name on it. I was under the impression that's the idea behind GPL and BSD and Creative Commons, etc. to begin with. So we can simply forget about the guy who takes a wrong turn, instead of following him over the cliff.