in exchange for developers incorporating our components into their apps, we would then offer them space on the server to continue development.
Ahahahaha. That's hilarious (and actually sounds like a plan). I will make a wild guess the components part wasn't ready yet but VA needed to show off.. and did so, thereby changing the entire nature of the beast. Whoops
VA was precieved to be a friendly, charitable entity.
I guess I missed that period, but OK.. your Dad's a smart one though. Sorry you got shafted; and thx for the explanation.
You have balls to lay your story out like this. And, I totally believe you.
However.
I utterly fail to see how your (what sounds like yet-another-) component system would unite Linux applications in the first place.
Even granted that this happened, I fail to see how VA could take over the world with it, tho they might well try. If it was libre somebody would fork it, and if it wasn't, few would use it.
Unless you can elaborate more, or provide links, I'm not suprised they ultimately declined your services if this is what you had to offer.
Lastly, it disturbs me to see you pointing fingers at a for-profit company for scheming, when you make it sound as though many of said schemes came from you.
1) The great RMS (trying to stay on topic here) would disagree with your entire post, say "screw the proprietary developers", and kick your ass for not calling it GNU/linux.
2) If a commercial company is too cheap to shell out $$$ for a license from Trolltech, exactly how is it supposed to expect customers to pay for its software?
3) Small commercial software companies, if they have an eye on being profitable, are going to develop for the largest market out there. Right now that means ponying up $$$ for MSVC++ and an MSDN subscription, and not developing for a fragmented desktop. If/when a linux desktop becomes a major consumer platform, said commercial company will develop for that platform, regardless of cost of entry, because that's where the money is.
4) You seem to think that linux is all about doing work for free. "Linux" is an amalgam of many different parts, driven by many different motivations. Some of them, such as your small-time commercial developers, are in it for the money, and that won't change. (I have to agree about XFree86 though. Those guys work hard and their main reward is idjits screaming "X sucks")
5) You seem to be convinced that "commercial software is really important for the future of linux". I flat-out disagree and note that free software is what got Linux where it is today; can you back your statement up?
1) I've done this dead project. If you knew what it took to get that, with a native *solaris* GNAT compiler as the starting point, you'd know that I've read the INSTALL file.
2) I was only making the point that it should be possible to bootstrap gcc with icc, not that the final product would be any faster.
3) If you are a speed freak, you should be able to kludge up a true icc-compiled gcc from the stage1 bits that the build process (normally) leaves lying around. I've done similar for '1)'.
He's certainly the father of free software though.
Disagree; as many have pointed out, BSD (and other)-licensed projects were going on years before RMS got his start; and bsd-licensed software is
free software.
Now, he's certainly the father of copyleft, the FSF, GNU, (L)GPL, gcc, and emacs... that oughta be enough for anybody.
He ended up running a fresh install of RH7.2 over the 30GB hard drive to which he had "backed up" everything he has collected over the last five years. He called me saying he felt like he was going to throw up.
If I lost all that porn, I'd probably be nauseous too..
I haven't tried it (..that should be a new acronym..) but it should Just Work. The gcc codebase is conservative in this regard. It is written to be bootstrapped by different, older (pre-ANSI C) and sometimes quite buggy compilers. See gcc/README.Portability in the latest gcc source tarball for details.
Another nice suprise would be to have posting at +1 cost a point a karma.
(You beat me to it.)... and you could generalize that, such that you could post at +2 but lose 2 points, etc. Posting at +4 would get your opinion voiced in a large comments thread but would quickly kill your karma. Especially if you get modded down.
After all, isn't the point of an OS to run *apps*?
Nope, sorry, the chief reason for the existense of the kernel is to provide fodder for/. articles like this one. It also happens to a good compiler benchmark/regression suite, and the uptime dicksize wars it generates are fun, but really, the main reason is useless/. articles.
You're the same person that likes to rag on Jon Katz every time he posts, aren't you? I don't think the editors were listening to you then either..
In fairness to Sun, I don't believe Qt was distributed under GPL at the time Sun made their actual commitment to Gnome. (quite awhile back).. it was still QPL only. In fact, Qt going GPL seemed like a reactionary move.
The problem is that WINE can't properly run most of the popular Windows applications
Seconded; of course "popular applications" will be different for everybody. 90% of programs I tried with Wine just Didn't Work. I always ended up thinking "what POS software".. but given what they're trying to emulate, I think they're ready for 1.0:)
Did anyone write an exploit that pur millions of Linux computers in jeopardy? No.
That's as Far As You Know. Anybody could have acquired this information and used it w/out your knowledge. What was that story a couple of days ago where the german government was considering moving to linux partially because they feared backdoors in MS code?
Slashdot Mirror
That's called cygwin, but maybe if certain people have their say, your wish will be granted :)
Ahahahaha. That's hilarious (and actually sounds like a plan). I will make a wild guess the components part wasn't ready yet but VA needed to show off.. and did so, thereby changing the entire nature of the beast. Whoops
VA was precieved to be a friendly, charitable entity.
I guess I missed that period, but OK.. your Dad's a smart one though. Sorry you got shafted; and thx for the explanation.
Well it's certainly not for lack of trying..
(nice post.)
However.
I utterly fail to see how your (what sounds like yet-another-) component system would unite Linux applications in the first place.
Even granted that this happened, I fail to see how VA could take over the world with it, tho they might well try. If it was libre somebody would fork it, and if it wasn't, few would use it.
Unless you can elaborate more, or provide links, I'm not suprised they ultimately declined your services if this is what you had to offer.
Lastly, it disturbs me to see you pointing fingers at a for-profit company for scheming, when you make it sound as though many of said schemes came from you.
This qualifies him to have meaningful control in a third initiative?
This inspired Miguel to launch our third desktop project, the one that succeeded: GNOME.
This is an endorsement for Miguel, not RMS.
Although the rest of RMS's statement (the part you didn't include) looks better, I think its safe to say the man hasn't written a resume in awhile...
1) The great RMS (trying to stay on topic here) would disagree with your entire post, say "screw the proprietary developers", and kick your ass for not calling it GNU/linux.
2) If a commercial company is too cheap to shell out $$$ for a license from Trolltech, exactly how is it supposed to expect customers to pay for its software?
3) Small commercial software companies, if they have an eye on being profitable, are going to develop for the largest market out there. Right now that means ponying up $$$ for MSVC++ and an MSDN subscription, and not developing for a fragmented desktop. If/when a linux desktop becomes a major consumer platform, said commercial company will develop for that platform, regardless of cost of entry, because that's where the money is.
4) You seem to think that linux is all about doing work for free. "Linux" is an amalgam of many different parts, driven by many different motivations. Some of them, such as your small-time commercial developers, are in it for the money, and that won't change. (I have to agree about XFree86 though. Those guys work hard and their main reward is idjits screaming "X sucks")
5) You seem to be convinced that "commercial software is really important for the future of linux". I flat-out disagree and note that free software is what got Linux where it is today; can you back your statement up?
6) As long as you're trying to drum up small company support, there are already companies developing for KDE. Have you purchased one of their products yet?
Hey, it's all good...
You misinterpret.
1) I've done this dead project. If you knew what it took to get that, with a native *solaris* GNAT compiler as the starting point, you'd know that I've read the INSTALL file.
2) I was only making the point that it should be possible to bootstrap gcc with icc, not that the final product would be any faster.
3) If you are a speed freak, you should be able to kludge up a true icc-compiled gcc from the stage1 bits that the build process (normally) leaves lying around. I've done similar for '1)'.
Disagree; as many have pointed out, BSD (and other)-licensed projects were going on years before RMS got his start; and bsd-licensed software is free software.
Now, he's certainly the father of copyleft, the FSF, GNU, (L)GPL, gcc, and emacs... that oughta be enough for anybody.
If I lost all that porn, I'd probably be nauseous too..
I haven't tried it (..that should be a new acronym..) but it should Just Work. The gcc codebase is conservative in this regard. It is written to be bootstrapped by different, older (pre-ANSI C) and sometimes quite buggy compilers. See gcc/README.Portability in the latest gcc source tarball for details.
Now, can you use gcc to *compile* icc?
Both, dude. Whether this is good or bad is left as an exercise for the reader.
Time and actions will tell.
I think they already have.
(You beat me to it.) ... and you could generalize that, such that you could post at +2 but lose 2 points, etc. Posting at +4 would get your opinion voiced in a large comments thread but would quickly kill your karma. Especially if you get modded down.
You're right, 'american' really isn't specific enough.. it could be valleyspeak, Jive, Redneck...
Explain about the life in Florida bit?
Translation: "I tried to clean up dirty page handling, but also introduced a subtle bug that ocrrupts my keyboard buffer". Hope it doesn't bite me!
Nope, sorry, the chief reason for the existense of the kernel is to provide fodder for /. articles like this one. It also happens to a good compiler benchmark/regression suite, and the uptime dicksize wars it generates are fun, but really, the main reason is useless /. articles.
You're the same person that likes to rag on Jon Katz every time he posts, aren't you? I don't think the editors were listening to you then either..
In fairness to Sun, I don't believe Qt was distributed under GPL at the time Sun made their actual commitment to Gnome. (quite awhile back) .. it was still QPL only. In fact, Qt going GPL seemed like a reactionary move.
Thx for the informative post.. tho I would personally give stability precedence :)
(no disrepect intended.. yer VM runs fine on my box)
Seconded; of course "popular applications" will be different for everybody. 90% of programs I tried with Wine just Didn't Work. I always ended up thinking "what POS software".. but given what they're trying to emulate, I think they're ready for 1.0 :)
Michael
Last name Dell by chance? :)
That's as Far As You Know. Anybody could have acquired this information and used it w/out your knowledge. What was that story a couple of days ago where the german government was considering moving to linux partially because they feared backdoors in MS code?
(/steps off conspiracy theorist soapbox)
That's LINE, http://line.sourceforge.net/
(Pedantic mode off)
As will any other rapidly-evolving OS.
and isn't as well thought out as any other unix,
Examples please! Also "any other unix" is really stretching it; there are plenty of crappy unices out there.
Nice troll!
Pot, meet kettle..
Me: Fucking car won't start! Fuck you car! You worthless piece of shit!
Car: (whimpers, dies)
Me: ... Fuck!