Neither is Windows though. That I know of only open source operating systems have free upgrades. I was going to say OS X upgrades are cheaper than Windows upgrades but I see Amazon has Windows Vista Home Basic with SP1 Upgrade for $78 which is the same as the Mac OS X v 10.5 Upgrade Kit.
Also somehow, OS X users seem to choose Family license if they will install it to more than 1 mac, all by their choice.
Yea, the OS X Leopard family pack cost less than two Leopards, Amazon shows Leopard for $110 and the Leopard family pack as $134. Now there's nothing, except consciousness, that stops someone from buying the single Leopard license then installing it on a bunch of Macs.
Well, now I know where to buy Snow Leopard if I upgrade, from Amazon instead of Apple. Actually as a paid Apple developer, Apple Developer Connection registered, I get it free.
According to tradingmarkets.com their market capitalisation is $174 billion, so their value increased $4 billion from the news that they were fined 388 billion for tortuous infringement??? Wtf? That'll teach 'em!
This actually happens frequently. In this case analysts may have expected a larger fine. Something like this happened to Apple stock some months back. Analysts expected Apple to report low earning but when they did announce earnings they were higher so the stock market drove up share prices.
What's necessary for a patent is that a novel way to solve the problem is invented. It must be described in principle, but there need not be a working model or prototype.
Now they discourage innovation. Nobody knows that if they innovate and create something new someone else won't slap them with a lawsuit and accuse them of infringing on a patent.
No company would have research divisions as they can just easily use the research of other companies.
If no companies did research no company could take it.
Research gives no solid benefit to a company if it can be easily copied so there would be minimal research.
I wonder if a patent system that was locked to development cost (say, you get to recover up to 50 times your development cost and then the patent expires) would be more sane.
Patents are the problem. At one tyme they may of helped but now they delay progress. However if patents were somehow tied to development costs it wouldn't take long before MS and most other commercial software companies start using Hollywood accounting.
that despite the more or less continuous stock buyback program for the past 10 years, the price of their stock has remained stagnant?
Except MS stock prices haven't remain stagnant. Microsoft's 52 week high was $32.10 and 52 week low was $14.87. On 24 December 1999 it closed at $58.71. Now that doesn't include any stock splits that may have happened.
funny enough I had a co-worker that had looked into solar-electric and stated it was too expensive even including subsidies.
Solar electric for hot water? Did he look into solar thermal? Of course if he doesn't get much sun it wouldn't work either way.
I recommended the solar-water heater as something to look into as it would have a decent payout period.
Yea, even with subsidies most alternative energy sources aren't good for short term savings. Potential buyers need to be made aware, if they already aren't, that the payback period can be several years or more. It's basically only when building Off the Grid where the payback period is only a few years. It can cost thousands of dollars to string powerlines just a thousand feet. If you're building that far out in a good location a solar electric system can be cheaper.
However even conventional power generators such as coal and gas get subsidies as well.
That article is from 2002, and basically states that it ain't gonna happen.
There are agreements that would prevent it, however my point wasn't that water from the Great Lakes would be pumped but that people will try to get something they don't have they want from somewhere else.
People always assume OS X or iLife doesn't need activation or serial because it is assumed that it is a Mac owner will install it. Completely wrong. You don't get OS X major version upgrades free or being mac hw owner doesn't entitle you for anything.
OS X does not need activation, though without hacking it you can't install it on non-Apple hardware. You can even install it on more than one Mac. As for being free, that doesn't really have anything to do with activation.
Maybe people could try living in places that actually have water?
Thing is is in Colorado people can't even use rain catchment systems and cisterns to hold the water. Colorado is 1 of 8 states that are part of the Colorado River Compact that shares the river's water. Want to talk about growing things that need water, the desert city of Los Vegas which before the economic crisis was booming gets all of it's water from the river.
they should be able to pump the hot water out and back into the water system.
That hot water being introduced into the eco system messes it up.
Just think, you could have an entire city that doesn't need individual hot-water tanks!
Hot water tanks are an inefficient use of energy. They have to keep recycling on and off using a lot of energy. Now if solar water heaters are used they lower the electricity or gas that would otherwise be used. As would instant on water heaters. But heated water that's pumped out of a system can be used. Congeneration systems were used in New York City by Thomas Edison. He used the hot water from cooling his plants to heat building when it was cold. Northern Europe uses cogeneration a lot.
The reason why libertarians need government is to enforce private property rights. Anarchists don't believe in private property, so there is no need for government.
Another function of government for libertarians is defense. Myself I do believe in property rights but I don't believe a person should be able to do whatever they want with their property. If something they do harms another they shouldn't be able to do it.
In discussing Yugoslavia you remind me of a real world market socialist scenario. In the 1980s the Chinese government started to liberalize agriculture by allowing farmers to sell a portion of their product in open markets with less regulated pricing. The government still owned all the land. The farmers essentially rented from them for a portion of their product and sold the rest for themselves.
Yea, I heard that before. The people who were able to grow their own gardens actually produced more food than what was grown on collective farms.
I don't keep up with China, so I have no idea where this went in the interim.
It's still something like that today, at least in some parts of the economy. For instance developer/builders who build housing don't own the land instead the land is leased for 99 years I believe. The cities where factories are built own the land as well. Or the regional or national government may.
Water is piped or pumped now. The Colorado River used to flow from Colorado to the Sea of Cortes or Gulf of Mexico through the desert. Now it rarely makes it all the way, instead Nevada and Arizona cities built in the desert like Los Vegas and Phoenix pump a lot of the water out. Because of the Colorado River Compact 8 states have claims on more water than the river has. Scientists now say that when the pact was drawn up the river reached a high water level.
Some states are now drawing up plans to pipe water from the Great Lakes region to the Southwest.
Yes, it pings forward, but something swimming on the surface is going to be protected by the hull of the ship from the worst of the noise.
Something is front will be protected by the hull but the hull does not offer much protection on the side does it?. Regarding the side, doesn't sonar ping all around ships? If not that's a big black void.
Well, both "Liberty" and "Reason" have some words about Murray Rothbard. But usually in reference to Ayn Rand.
I don't really get why, except that Rothbard was intent on appropriating the term Anarchism from the Socialists. I guess he thought it sounded cooler than Libertarian.
Ump, using Anarchism for Socialism? As I learned them anarchism is the absence of government, unlike libertarians which advocates small and limited government, and socialism is the government owns the means of production. A person could own their own home but not their own business. Actually under Tito's Yugoslavia a person could run their own business but the government owned part of it.
Jefferson was a flaming hypocrite. His support for black and women's civil right extended as far as his conversation. He literally kept an underage black sex slave.
Not really, not everyone is able to live up to their ideology. Yes he owned slaves but he never bought or sold any. All the slaves he owned he inherited from his father and father-in-law. He did however free some slaves, including Sally Hemming's children. In his will he left instructions to make sure Sally was taken care of. He wanted to free all of the slaves, but I believe he made a mistake because he thought he couldn't afford to free them all. He thought it would cost too much. For the slaves too, afterall they had food and a roof. However thinking about it it should be cheaper to employ freemen than to own slaves. Slaves cost more, there's the cost of a blacksmith and chains as well as guards to prevent them from running away. Economists studying the period before the Civil War concluded slavery would have ended without the war, though it may of taken longer.
Oh, BTW TJ once said he thought farmers should grow hemp, AKA marijuana.
The name looks familiar but I don't really recall why. According to your link she supported woman's rights in the late 1700s. That's two people I know of that did back then, Thomas Jefferson also supported equal rights for women and Blacks. In his early drafts of the "Declaration of Independence" he included both as enjoying rights also. However others had to sign it and they opposed this.
But, the thing is, dolphins and whales are mammals. The would leave the noisy layer when they surfaced. Therefore, they would quickly learn how to escape the sound: surface or dive.
Perhaps you need to reread the paragraph above this in your post. The sound gets trapped in the warm layer which is on top. To escape the sound they would have to dive.
If there was any obvious inner ear damage in stranded mammals, the obvious cause would be sonar. To the best of my knowledge, no such damage was found in stranded mammals.
Such evidence is there, for Low Frequency Active Sonar. There is also evidence for something else. "Research on whale carcasses show hemorrhages in the lungs.
I also read an interesting hypothesis about cerebral amoeba infection. I'd like to see these plausible causes eliminated before going after a less-than-obvious possible cause.
Less than obvious? It's quite obvious to me, because of an ear infection I got as a child I can't take loud sounds very well. In two cases one of my ears started to bleed. I once blacked out when someone yelled in my ear. I was in the army when it happened. And whenever we target practiced we wore ear plugs, so the army knew it could be bad. I used to also scuba dive, I haven't in years though, and know how loud noises can affect ears underwater as well.
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It is not free, that was what I was telling.
Neither is Windows though. That I know of only open source operating systems have free upgrades. I was going to say OS X upgrades are cheaper than Windows upgrades but I see Amazon has Windows Vista Home Basic with SP1 Upgrade for $78 which is the same as the Mac OS X v 10.5 Upgrade Kit.
Also somehow, OS X users seem to choose Family license if they will install it to more than 1 mac, all by their choice.
Yea, the OS X Leopard family pack cost less than two Leopards, Amazon shows Leopard for $110 and the Leopard family pack as $134. Now there's nothing, except consciousness, that stops someone from buying the single Leopard license then installing it on a bunch of Macs.
Well, now I know where to buy Snow Leopard if I upgrade, from Amazon instead of Apple. Actually as a paid Apple developer, Apple Developer Connection registered, I get it free.
Falcon
People invest in businesses to make money and Microsoft still makes money.
Falcon
According to tradingmarkets.com their market capitalisation is $174 billion, so their value increased $4 billion from the news that they were fined 388 billion for tortuous infringement??? Wtf? That'll teach 'em!
This actually happens frequently. In this case analysts may have expected a larger fine. Something like this happened to Apple stock some months back. Analysts expected Apple to report low earning but when they did announce earnings they were higher so the stock market drove up share prices.
Falcon
What's necessary for a patent is that a novel way to solve the problem is invented. It must be described in principle, but there need not be a working model or prototype.
Patent aplications used to need a working model.
Falcon
Now they discourage innovation. Nobody knows that if they innovate and create something new someone else won't slap them with a lawsuit and accuse them of infringing on a patent.
No company would have research divisions as they can just easily use the research of other companies.
If no companies did research no company could take it.
Research gives no solid benefit to a company if it can be easily copied so there would be minimal research.
I see at least two problems here. The first is that the inventors have the First mover advantage. Secondly there's still trade secrets.
Falcon
I wonder if a patent system that was locked to development cost (say, you get to recover up to 50 times your development cost and then the patent expires) would be more sane.
Patents are the problem. At one tyme they may of helped but now they delay progress. However if patents were somehow tied to development costs it wouldn't take long before MS and most other commercial software companies start using Hollywood accounting.
Falcon
that despite the more or less continuous stock buyback program for the past 10 years, the price of their stock has remained stagnant?
Except MS stock prices haven't remain stagnant. Microsoft's 52 week high was $32.10 and 52 week low was $14.87. On 24 December 1999 it closed at $58.71. Now that doesn't include any stock splits that may have happened.
Falcon
funny enough I had a co-worker that had looked into solar-electric and stated it was too expensive even including subsidies.
Solar electric for hot water? Did he look into solar thermal? Of course if he doesn't get much sun it wouldn't work either way.
I recommended the solar-water heater as something to look into as it would have a decent payout period.
Yea, even with subsidies most alternative energy sources aren't good for short term savings. Potential buyers need to be made aware, if they already aren't, that the payback period can be several years or more. It's basically only when building Off the Grid where the payback period is only a few years. It can cost thousands of dollars to string powerlines just a thousand feet. If you're building that far out in a good location a solar electric system can be cheaper.
However even conventional power generators such as coal and gas get subsidies as well.
Falcon
That article is from 2002, and basically states that it ain't gonna happen.
There are agreements that would prevent it, however my point wasn't that water from the Great Lakes would be pumped but that people will try to get something they don't have they want from somewhere else.
Falcon
People always assume OS X or iLife doesn't need activation or serial because it is assumed that it is a Mac owner will install it. Completely wrong. You don't get OS X major version upgrades free or being mac hw owner doesn't entitle you for anything.
OS X does not need activation, though without hacking it you can't install it on non-Apple hardware. You can even install it on more than one Mac. As for being free, that doesn't really have anything to do with activation.
Falcon
The Great Lakes Basin Compact http://www.glc.org/about/glbc.html/ (recognized by congressional consent) says otherwise.
I know. My point was that some people will do whatever they can to get something they don't have, no matter the consequences.
Falcon
Maybe people could try living in places that actually have water?
Thing is is in Colorado people can't even use rain catchment systems and cisterns to hold the water. Colorado is 1 of 8 states that are part of the Colorado River Compact that shares the river's water. Want to talk about growing things that need water, the desert city of Los Vegas which before the economic crisis was booming gets all of it's water from the river.
Falcon
you can use grey water.. stuff that has been cleaned after you shit in it.
That's blackwater not greywater. Greywater is the used water from the sink and shower/bathtub.
Falcon
What goes up....
Probably does not come down where it's needed.
Falcon
they should be able to pump the hot water out and back into the water system.
That hot water being introduced into the eco system messes it up.
Just think, you could have an entire city that doesn't need individual hot-water tanks!
Hot water tanks are an inefficient use of energy. They have to keep recycling on and off using a lot of energy. Now if solar water heaters are used they lower the electricity or gas that would otherwise be used. As would instant on water heaters. But heated water that's pumped out of a system can be used. Congeneration systems were used in New York City by Thomas Edison. He used the hot water from cooling his plants to heat building when it was cold. Northern Europe uses cogeneration a lot.
Falcon
The reason why libertarians need government is to enforce private property rights. Anarchists don't believe in private property, so there is no need for government.
Another function of government for libertarians is defense. Myself I do believe in property rights but I don't believe a person should be able to do whatever they want with their property. If something they do harms another they shouldn't be able to do it.
In discussing Yugoslavia you remind me of a real world market socialist scenario. In the 1980s the Chinese government started to liberalize agriculture by allowing farmers to sell a portion of their product in open markets with less regulated pricing. The government still owned all the land. The farmers essentially rented from them for a portion of their product and sold the rest for themselves.
Yea, I heard that before. The people who were able to grow their own gardens actually produced more food than what was grown on collective farms.
I don't keep up with China, so I have no idea where this went in the interim.
It's still something like that today, at least in some parts of the economy. For instance developer/builders who build housing don't own the land instead the land is leased for 99 years I believe. The cities where factories are built own the land as well. Or the regional or national government may.
Falcon
People say water shortage and I just think they are mad.
If water is pumped from the Great Lakes to the Southwest you may not see water much longer.
Falcon
We pipe oil 800 miles across Alaska.
Water is piped or pumped now. The Colorado River used to flow from Colorado to the Sea of Cortes or Gulf of Mexico through the desert. Now it rarely makes it all the way, instead Nevada and Arizona cities built in the desert like Los Vegas and Phoenix pump a lot of the water out. Because of the Colorado River Compact 8 states have claims on more water than the river has. Scientists now say that when the pact was drawn up the river reached a high water level.
Some states are now drawing up plans to pipe water from the Great Lakes region to the Southwest.
Falcon
Yes, it pings forward, but something swimming on the surface is going to be protected by the hull of the ship from the worst of the noise.
Something is front will be protected by the hull but the hull does not offer much protection on the side does it?. Regarding the side, doesn't sonar ping all around ships? If not that's a big black void.
Falcon
Well, he was a big influence on Murray Rothbard.
Well, both "Liberty" and "Reason" have some words about Murray Rothbard. But usually in reference to Ayn Rand.
I don't really get why, except that Rothbard was intent on appropriating the term Anarchism from the Socialists. I guess he thought it sounded cooler than Libertarian.
Ump, using Anarchism for Socialism? As I learned them anarchism is the absence of government, unlike libertarians which advocates small and limited government, and socialism is the government owns the means of production. A person could own their own home but not their own business. Actually under Tito's Yugoslavia a person could run their own business but the government owned part of it.
Jefferson was a flaming hypocrite. His support for black and women's civil right extended as far as his conversation. He literally kept an underage black sex slave.
Not really, not everyone is able to live up to their ideology. Yes he owned slaves but he never bought or sold any. All the slaves he owned he inherited from his father and father-in-law. He did however free some slaves, including Sally Hemming's children. In his will he left instructions to make sure Sally was taken care of. He wanted to free all of the slaves, but I believe he made a mistake because he thought he couldn't afford to free them all. He thought it would cost too much. For the slaves too, afterall they had food and a roof. However thinking about it it should be cheaper to employ freemen than to own slaves. Slaves cost more, there's the cost of a blacksmith and chains as well as guards to prevent them from running away. Economists studying the period before the Civil War concluded slavery would have ended without the war, though it may of taken longer.
Oh, BTW TJ once said he thought farmers should grow hemp, AKA marijuana.
Fslcon
I think Market Socialism is pretty self explanatory. It is a system of free markets and public ownership
A free market is a two way street not one way. If I can't own my own business it's not a free market.
Benjamin Tucker was America's foremost Individualist Anarchist. He founded and edited the journal Liberty.
Let me check that... My copies don't list him but wiki says he published it.
Many American Libertarians worship him, presumably because they don't understand his beliefs fully.
I read "Liberty" semi-regularly, and subscribe to "Reason" magazine, and don't recall reading about him before.
But why should you care about anyone you haven't heard of? They couldn't have been important.
Perhaps I phrased it wrong. I hadn't heard of them before and didn't know if they were important.
Oh also, anyone who reads Paine should also read Mary Wollstonecraft.
The name looks familiar but I don't really recall why. According to your link she supported woman's rights in the late 1700s. That's two people I know of that did back then, Thomas Jefferson also supported equal rights for women and Blacks. In his early drafts of the "Declaration of Independence" he included both as enjoying rights also. However others had to sign it and they opposed this.
Falcon
I was in the navy and trained extensively in ASW operations. They don't use active sonar that is sonar that emits sound much
The US Navy doesn't use active sonar? "Spr08_Training With Active Sonar While Protecting Marine Life [pdf]".
Falcon
But, the thing is, dolphins and whales are mammals. The would leave the noisy layer when they surfaced. Therefore, they would quickly learn how to escape the sound: surface or dive.
Perhaps you need to reread the paragraph above this in your post. The sound gets trapped in the warm layer which is on top. To escape the sound they would have to dive.
Falcon
If there was any obvious inner ear damage in stranded mammals, the obvious cause would be sonar. To the best of my knowledge, no such damage was found in stranded mammals.
Such evidence is there, for Low Frequency Active Sonar. There is also evidence for something else. "Research on whale carcasses show hemorrhages in the lungs.
I also read an interesting hypothesis about cerebral amoeba infection. I'd like to see these plausible causes eliminated before going after a less-than-obvious possible cause.
Less than obvious? It's quite obvious to me, because of an ear infection I got as a child I can't take loud sounds very well. In two cases one of my ears started to bleed. I once blacked out when someone yelled in my ear. I was in the army when it happened. And whenever we target practiced we wore ear plugs, so the army knew it could be bad. I used to also scuba dive, I haven't in years though, and know how loud noises can affect ears underwater as well.
Falcon
there's a small chance a dolphin is in front of your sonar dome when you begin pinging
Small chance? HAHA! Dolphins swim alongside, in front of, and in the wake of ships all the tyme. Here's some photos of dolphins doing just that.
Falcon