Or, you can just order them with the 'educational discount'. It isn't like they check up on that one very carefully....
Apple's educational discount hasn't been much for years, years ago it was 50%. The normal price for the Mac Pro is $2800 and with the educational discount is $2600. That's not even 10%. Through ADC the Mac Pro is $2240. Oh and when I checked the educational price I had to select a the type of school, then picking college I had to select the college. The first one I picked said the college had a store where Macs could be bought, and colleges do check for student ID. I went ahead and selected another college but didn't place an order. I didn't go through and check all the other options though.
More interestingly, the 19 of 22 requested to keep using OS X on their Macbook instead of going back to Windows on their Thinkpads. That I think speaks volumes to the overall Mac/OS X experience.
As someone above suggested though I think it's important to know how those 22 people were chosen. Were they chosen at random or maybe they were self selected. If they were self selected then maybe they were already ready to switch and the test only solidified they're wanting to switch.
I see the convenience and reliability of ThinkPad hardware as superior
I'm typing this on my third Mac and I haven't had any hardware problems that prevented me from using it yet. While it's new, 8 months, my first Mac I bought used and I used it 8 years before it died. The second I also bought used and it lasted 7 years.
and the Mac OS is still a proprietary OS that seems to require a Windows license for some tasks anyway.
And you don't have the same costs to run the same task in Linux? I won't say all but some programs that run in Linux will also run in OS X. For RPM packages, there's RPM for Darwin (Mac OS X) and MacPorts. To install Debian's dpkg and apt-get packages in OS X there's Fink.
It doesn't serve anyone to replace MS licencing costs with Apple hardware costs. So the probability that IBM would roll out lots of expensive Apples is nil.
Mac hardware is no more expensive than Windows hardware, er Windows PCs with comparable specs to the specs of Macs are about the same price.
Many FOSS projects I am interested in (Open Office, Scribus being two big ones) are really lagging behind in the OSX ports,
However those projects that run in X on Linux also run in X on OS X. For RPM packages, there's RPM for Darwin (Mac OS X) and Macports. Debian packages dpkg and apt-get can be installed with Fink. So any, well some as I don't know if they all will, Linux packages that use either of these can be installed in OS X as well.
What you said is true only if IBM didnt have to pay for Apple's OS and also for Apple's "premium" hardware! You must be confusing Apple with Linux.
Apple's hardware is only premium when you want an expandable computer. When comparing the specs of Macs and Windows PCs the prices are about the same. However when you want to add a second hdd and video card or when you want to upgrade the hardware then you have to go with the Mac Pro which starts at $2500, the lower cost Macs are not expandable. Oops, Apple raised them to $2800. You can save a little though if you join Apple Developer Connection. That's what I did when I switched from Windows to Macs.
As for OS upgrades, OS X upgrades are cheaper than Windows upgrades. And if you're an ADC member you get those upgrades free. While the retail price of an upgrade is US$130 as a member of ADC I got Leopard DVDs free, along with a lot of other stuff.
To spell out the irony a little bit more, IBM started considering using Apple's computers (partially) as a result of Apple ceasing to use IBM's chips.
Yea, I thought it ironic that IBM is migrating at least some computers to Macs too seeing as how IBM used to supply Power PC CPUs, along with Motorola now Freescale, to Apple.
A List Apart is a great site. I learned a lot about design, style, and usability. There is quite an archive of articles going years back - some of those were critical in my (somewhat enhanced) understanding of how to design a site.
Yea, several years ago I visited A List Apart regularly. But I haven't in the last couple of years.
As far as SEO and webcrawlers, that is quite a complex subject once you dig down a layer or two.
A big thing, especially with Google's Page Ranking, is getting good quality links to your website. Then the text, for links as well as well as the body, has to be relevant. And there's the Fog Index or as wiki calls it the Gunning fog index. You almost have to hire an SEO to get a good search ranking but not just anything will work as a website may be penalized by search engines.
But why would a fascist government prone to "domestic military operations" feel limited to the way our military is currently organized? Rather than assign a recruit from Oregon to a unit in South Carolina, he'd be sent to a regional unit in Washington.
I live in Minnesota but have family members living in Florida, Massachusetts, Michigan, and South Carolina. Besides those locations my nephew, who's a Marine stationed in Iraq, has relatives in Texas and I don't know how many other places. Unlike China, where most people live close to where they were born, the US is a highly mobile country and many people have relatives spread throughout the country. Sure the military may try to screen these people out, however as I said earlier many military personnel will support either underground or by crossing the line those who fight for the constitution and liberty. And that's not just low ranking people but those with high ranks too.
Can those satellite images tell the difference between combatants and noncombatants?
The satellites are for detecting and tracking any sizable amount of troops or arms.
Those insurgents in Iraq aren't deploying in larger formations nor are they moving large quantities of arms. Simply it's easy for insurgents to blend in the civilian population in urban settings. In rural settings it's even easier. Heck even murder suspects hide for months and years in forests. It took nearly 20 years to apprehend the Unabomber.
But you're missing a big issue, how can you get the military to fire on civilians when soldiers are known to frag those who give bad orders?
You'd also think that if a President insisted that he had the right to imprison and torture Americans at whim
The fact that we know about these cases should say something. It's common knowledge because the President doesn't have the power to keep it quiet.
Just to think, I usually take your side when it comes to talk of the president seizing all power, or there being a military coup. I fear government more than any terrorists, yet here I'm arguing the opposite.
For a lot of companies, especially companies struggling to break into the online space, lowering their development costs by 30-40% could justify leaving out 10% of their potential customer base.
Actually by designing a standards compliant website you can increase your potential customer base. A standards compliant website is easier for search engines to index and once done can raise ranking. So more people would be able to reach your website, even those using the dominant IE browsers.
Uh, no, because as I said, if a unit has a problem executing an order, a different unit will be sent in. As the Chinese government did, and now hundreds of protesters are dead. You aren't debunking my point. You're reinforcing it.
Except you missed where the US military isn't like the Chinese military. Unlike a Chinese army unit which could have people from one area and of one ethnic group, a US Army unit will have people from all over the US. In my units I had Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Whites. The Asians could be Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, or Southeast Asians. Hispanics may be Chicanos, Mexicans, or Ricans. Some Whites might of been English, French, or German. We even had an Israeli, he had dual citizenship.
I strongly disagree! Very frequently the "print this page" link remedies many of the problems you listed--gets rid of ads, all on one page, gets rid of navigation cruft, etc.
While I somewhat agree with this a style sheet can be used for print.
I notice the standards-compliant code I'm creating is accessible pretty much by default. If I pay proper attention to design (minimalist, easy to navigate) and not add features just because I think they look swell, the final design will be far more accessible than my present one.
It's also easier for the crawlers search engines use. Have you checked out A List Apart?
I'm sorry, but that's just wrong (although a popular opinion on slashdot). Until recently, IE enjoyed 90%+ market share and only linux users were completely unable to use IE
Except even different versions of IE render webpages differently. I don't know how many tymes using IE I've come across websites and pages saying "This website best viewed using IE X.y", say using IE 5 it says IE 5.5 or using IE 6 it says IE 7. It may only be 5% of the users but you're still shutting out potential customers.
The motivation for building for something else had to come from something other than profits.
Some of those people could very well be buyers.
Over the past 2 years or so, firefox and safari have taken off to the point where it makes good business sense to accommodate them. You'll also notice that most (good) web designers themselves use something other than IE. Overall, it's much better today than it used to be, but that's also because the browser market's more balanced.
For many years now A List Apart has been pretty good at cross browser and cross platform rendering, and showing others how they can do it.
You're right I did. And I don't know why. I was called twice for jury duty and was hoping I'd be picked to serve on the jury for a drug trial or something along the lines of a victimless crime. I wanted to use jury nullification to protest a bad law.
Mine is a Bushmaster. You can actually buy full auto sears quite easily and legally, but I wouldn't want one anyway. If we're in this situation, conservation of ammo will be a need.
While conserving ammo would be a problem for many, while in the army I was able to shoot 2 and 3 shot skirts with my M16s. I preferred single shots though. Then again I was qualified as an expert, which while I was in the service was hitting at least 36 targets out of 40 with 40 rounds of ammo, the targets being from 50 to 400 feet. I don't know what the qualifications are now.
AR-15's have been made by lots of manufacturers under government contract. It's an open source design - anyone can make them.
I know AR-15s, and M16s, are made by different companies but I didn't know they have an open source design anyone could use. Then again though, while I was in we used to joke that if we ever went into combat and found an AK-47 on the ground we'd use it instead. Unlike the M16s we had that were jamb prone, AK-47s can take a licking and keep on firing.
First off, yes I did serve, at the end of the Vietnam war.
I apologize for my remark then.
the people with the "support the troops" ribbons disagree with you (and me) that supporting the troops entails getting them home and out of harm's way.
I've seen more than a couple of bumper stickers, and signs painted on sheets hanging off roofs, saying "I support the troops, bring them home" or some such.
My point was that the military, as all government functions, are supported by federal taxes.
Ok. Personally I disagree with how the military is set up. Instead I'd have a small professional core but with the bulk being a citizens militia, much like Switzerland's.
Out of context reactionary posting does not make a well thought out argument. Please reread my post past the first sentence.
I did read it to begin with, and what you said can basically be summed up with "The ends justify the means." You want the government to have the power to do whatever it wants, and only afterwards to be held accountable. By that tyme it may very well be too late.
The Democrats barely have the majority so they do have some advantages
That does not address what I was responding too though, that "the GOP is a vastly more capable party (as far as winning elections goes)." The GOP lost in 2006 not won. It may of been to the Republicans advantage that they lost but they still did lose.
Nope. Nixon did it. Roosevelt did it temporarily for wartime. It was restored after Bretton Woods as implicit Gold Standard.
Both Roosevelt and Nixon took the US off the Gold Standard, however Nixon did it permanently. As for FDR doing it because of war, no he didn't. He took the US off the Gold Standard in 1933, way before the US entered WWII.
I guess Republicans are ALWAYS harmful to the economy.
Democrats are the ones harming the economy, wanting to tax people to death. The more people have to pay in taxes, and therefore the later Tax Freedom Day arrives, the less they have to buy things and invest, both of which the economy needs. And what does the government do with that money? They waste it. Compared to people and businesses government is terribly inefficient, just as it's supposed to be.
They were responsible for "elastic money", the creation of the Fed, the fiat money, moving away from gold coinage system, etc.
According to the wiki article on the Federal Reserve System there were two problems with the early national banking system: "an 'inelastic' currency; and a lack of liquidity." Personally though I used to support the Gold Standards, I no longer do. If the US Dollar is going to be based on any standard I'd say it should be based on a mix of different commodities instead of only one.
Anyone with a "support the troops" ribbon and a "no new taxes" bumper sticker on his car is a hypocrite.
Taxes first, not only do I support "no new taxes" but I want to abolish income tax period. With that out of the way, I support the troops. Heck I used to be one, have you served in the military? Not having believed Bush's lies Saddam had WMDs I didn't want troops to be sent to Iraq to begin with, without UN support. Now, let's get them out of danger and bring them home.
Take the republicans now: They are a unified lot, show a lot of initiative, make sure to take the fight to the enemy camp, and generally destroy their enemy even when their forces are weak.
So why might there be a civil war in the Republican Party?
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Straight from the Apple Store -- downgrade to the single Quad Core 2.8GHz Xeon is $2300
Ok, I see it. For what I'd use it for though 2 Quad Cores would be better, image editing and design.
Straight from Macmall same computer -- $2214.
I can get a 2 Quad Core 2.8GHz Mac Pro for $2240.
FalconOr, you can just order them with the 'educational discount'. It isn't like they check up on that one very carefully....
Apple's educational discount hasn't been much for years, years ago it was 50%. The normal price for the Mac Pro is $2800 and with the educational discount is $2600. That's not even 10%. Through ADC the Mac Pro is $2240. Oh and when I checked the educational price I had to select a the type of school, then picking college I had to select the college. The first one I picked said the college had a store where Macs could be bought, and colleges do check for student ID. I went ahead and selected another college but didn't place an order. I didn't go through and check all the other options though.
FalconMore interestingly, the 19 of 22 requested to keep using OS X on their Macbook instead of going back to Windows on their Thinkpads. That I think speaks volumes to the overall Mac/OS X experience.
As someone above suggested though I think it's important to know how those 22 people were chosen. Were they chosen at random or maybe they were self selected. If they were self selected then maybe they were already ready to switch and the test only solidified they're wanting to switch.
FalconI see the convenience and reliability of ThinkPad hardware as superior
I'm typing this on my third Mac and I haven't had any hardware problems that prevented me from using it yet. While it's new, 8 months, my first Mac I bought used and I used it 8 years before it died. The second I also bought used and it lasted 7 years.
and the Mac OS is still a proprietary OS that seems to require a Windows license for some tasks anyway.
And you don't have the same costs to run the same task in Linux? I won't say all but some programs that run in Linux will also run in OS X. For RPM packages, there's RPM for Darwin (Mac OS X) and MacPorts. To install Debian's dpkg and apt-get packages in OS X there's Fink.
FalconIt doesn't serve anyone to replace MS licencing costs with Apple hardware costs. So the probability that IBM would roll out lots of expensive Apples is nil.
Mac hardware is no more expensive than Windows hardware, er Windows PCs with comparable specs to the specs of Macs are about the same price.
FalconMany FOSS projects I am interested in (Open Office, Scribus being two big ones) are really lagging behind in the OSX ports,
However those projects that run in X on Linux also run in X on OS X. For RPM packages, there's RPM for Darwin (Mac OS X) and Macports. Debian packages dpkg and apt-get can be installed with Fink. So any, well some as I don't know if they all will, Linux packages that use either of these can be installed in OS X as well.
FalconWhat you said is true only if IBM didnt have to pay for Apple's OS and also for Apple's "premium" hardware! You must be confusing Apple with Linux.
Apple's hardware is only premium when you want an expandable computer. When comparing the specs of Macs and Windows PCs the prices are about the same. However when you want to add a second hdd and video card or when you want to upgrade the hardware then you have to go with the Mac Pro which starts at $2500, the lower cost Macs are not expandable. Oops, Apple raised them to $2800. You can save a little though if you join Apple Developer Connection. That's what I did when I switched from Windows to Macs.
As for OS upgrades, OS X upgrades are cheaper than Windows upgrades. And if you're an ADC member you get those upgrades free. While the retail price of an upgrade is US$130 as a member of ADC I got Leopard DVDs free, along with a lot of other stuff.
FalconTo spell out the irony a little bit more, IBM started considering using Apple's computers (partially) as a result of Apple ceasing to use IBM's chips.
Yea, I thought it ironic that IBM is migrating at least some computers to Macs too seeing as how IBM used to supply Power PC CPUs, along with Motorola now Freescale, to Apple.
FalconA List Apart is a great site. I learned a lot about design, style, and usability. There is quite an archive of articles going years back - some of those were critical in my (somewhat enhanced) understanding of how to design a site.
Yea, several years ago I visited A List Apart regularly. But I haven't in the last couple of years.
As far as SEO and webcrawlers, that is quite a complex subject once you dig down a layer or two.
A big thing, especially with Google's Page Ranking, is getting good quality links to your website. Then the text, for links as well as well as the body, has to be relevant. And there's the Fog Index or as wiki calls it the Gunning fog index. You almost have to hire an SEO to get a good search ranking but not just anything will work as a website may be penalized by search engines.
Falcon"Standards compliant" has been, for a very long time, synonymous with "Does bad things in IE".
No it wasn't a joke, you're right about IE though. However there are workarounds for getting standards compliant website to rend in IE correctly.
FalconBut why would a fascist government prone to "domestic military operations" feel limited to the way our military is currently organized? Rather than assign a recruit from Oregon to a unit in South Carolina, he'd be sent to a regional unit in Washington.
I live in Minnesota but have family members living in Florida, Massachusetts, Michigan, and South Carolina. Besides those locations my nephew, who's a Marine stationed in Iraq, has relatives in Texas and I don't know how many other places. Unlike China, where most people live close to where they were born, the US is a highly mobile country and many people have relatives spread throughout the country. Sure the military may try to screen these people out, however as I said earlier many military personnel will support either underground or by crossing the line those who fight for the constitution and liberty. And that's not just low ranking people but those with high ranks too.
Can those satellite images tell the difference between combatants and noncombatants?
The satellites are for detecting and tracking any sizable amount of troops or arms.
Those insurgents in Iraq aren't deploying in larger formations nor are they moving large quantities of arms. Simply it's easy for insurgents to blend in the civilian population in urban settings. In rural settings it's even easier. Heck even murder suspects hide for months and years in forests. It took nearly 20 years to apprehend the Unabomber.
But you're missing a big issue, how can you get the military to fire on civilians when soldiers are known to frag those who give bad orders?
You'd also think that if a President insisted that he had the right to imprison and torture Americans at whim
The fact that we know about these cases should say something. It's common knowledge because the President doesn't have the power to keep it quiet.
Just to think, I usually take your side when it comes to talk of the president seizing all power, or there being a military coup. I fear government more than any terrorists, yet here I'm arguing the opposite.
FalconFor a lot of companies, especially companies struggling to break into the online space, lowering their development costs by 30-40% could justify leaving out 10% of their potential customer base.
Actually by designing a standards compliant website you can increase your potential customer base. A standards compliant website is easier for search engines to index and once done can raise ranking. So more people would be able to reach your website, even those using the dominant IE browsers.
FalconUh, no, because as I said, if a unit has a problem executing an order, a different unit will be sent in. As the Chinese government did, and now hundreds of protesters are dead. You aren't debunking my point. You're reinforcing it.
Except you missed where the US military isn't like the Chinese military. Unlike a Chinese army unit which could have people from one area and of one ethnic group, a US Army unit will have people from all over the US. In my units I had Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, and Whites. The Asians could be Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, or Southeast Asians. Hispanics may be Chicanos, Mexicans, or Ricans. Some Whites might of been English, French, or German. We even had an Israeli, he had dual citizenship.
FalconI strongly disagree! Very frequently the "print this page" link remedies many of the problems you listed--gets rid of ads, all on one page, gets rid of navigation cruft, etc.
While I somewhat agree with this a style sheet can be used for print.
FalconI notice the standards-compliant code I'm creating is accessible pretty much by default. If I pay proper attention to design (minimalist, easy to navigate) and not add features just because I think they look swell, the final design will be far more accessible than my present one.
It's also easier for the crawlers search engines use. Have you checked out A List Apart?
FalconI'm sorry, but that's just wrong (although a popular opinion on slashdot). Until recently, IE enjoyed 90%+ market share and only linux users were completely unable to use IE
Except even different versions of IE render webpages differently. I don't know how many tymes using IE I've come across websites and pages saying "This website best viewed using IE X.y", say using IE 5 it says IE 5.5 or using IE 6 it says IE 7. It may only be 5% of the users but you're still shutting out potential customers.
The motivation for building for something else had to come from something other than profits.
Some of those people could very well be buyers.
Over the past 2 years or so, firefox and safari have taken off to the point where it makes good business sense to accommodate them. You'll also notice that most (good) web designers themselves use something other than IE. Overall, it's much better today than it used to be, but that's also because the browser market's more balanced.
For many years now A List Apart has been pretty good at cross browser and cross platform rendering, and showing others how they can do it.
FalconYou're right I did. And I don't know why. I was called twice for jury duty and was hoping I'd be picked to serve on the jury for a drug trial or something along the lines of a victimless crime. I wanted to use jury nullification to protest a bad law.
FalconMine is a Bushmaster. You can actually buy full auto sears quite easily and legally, but I wouldn't want one anyway. If we're in this situation, conservation of ammo will be a need.
While conserving ammo would be a problem for many, while in the army I was able to shoot 2 and 3 shot skirts with my M16s. I preferred single shots though. Then again I was qualified as an expert, which while I was in the service was hitting at least 36 targets out of 40 with 40 rounds of ammo, the targets being from 50 to 400 feet. I don't know what the qualifications are now.
AR-15's have been made by lots of manufacturers under government contract. It's an open source design - anyone can make them.
I know AR-15s, and M16s, are made by different companies but I didn't know they have an open source design anyone could use. Then again though, while I was in we used to joke that if we ever went into combat and found an AK-47 on the ground we'd use it instead. Unlike the M16s we had that were jamb prone, AK-47s can take a licking and keep on firing.
FalconFirst off, yes I did serve, at the end of the Vietnam war.
I apologize for my remark then.
the people with the "support the troops" ribbons disagree with you (and me) that supporting the troops entails getting them home and out of harm's way.
I've seen more than a couple of bumper stickers, and signs painted on sheets hanging off roofs, saying "I support the troops, bring them home" or some such.
My point was that the military, as all government functions, are supported by federal taxes.
Ok. Personally I disagree with how the military is set up. Instead I'd have a small professional core but with the bulk being a citizens militia, much like Switzerland's.
FalconOut of context reactionary posting does not make a well thought out argument. Please reread my post past the first sentence.
I did read it to begin with, and what you said can basically be summed up with "The ends justify the means." You want the government to have the power to do whatever it wants, and only afterwards to be held accountable. By that tyme it may very well be too late.
FalconThe Democrats barely have the majority so they do have some advantages
That does not address what I was responding too though, that "the GOP is a vastly more capable party (as far as winning elections goes)." The GOP lost in 2006 not won. It may of been to the Republicans advantage that they lost but they still did lose.
FalconNope. Nixon did it. Roosevelt did it temporarily for wartime. It was restored after Bretton Woods as implicit Gold Standard.
Both Roosevelt and Nixon took the US off the Gold Standard, however Nixon did it permanently. As for FDR doing it because of war, no he didn't. He took the US off the Gold Standard in 1933, way before the US entered WWII.
I guess Republicans are ALWAYS harmful to the economy.
Democrats are the ones harming the economy, wanting to tax people to death. The more people have to pay in taxes, and therefore the later Tax Freedom Day arrives, the less they have to buy things and invest, both of which the economy needs. And what does the government do with that money? They waste it. Compared to people and businesses government is terribly inefficient, just as it's supposed to be.
They were responsible for "elastic money", the creation of the Fed, the fiat money, moving away from gold coinage system, etc.
According to the wiki article on the Federal Reserve System there were two problems with the early national banking system: "an 'inelastic' currency; and a lack of liquidity." Personally though I used to support the Gold Standards, I no longer do. If the US Dollar is going to be based on any standard I'd say it should be based on a mix of different commodities instead of only one.
FalconAnyone with a "support the troops" ribbon and a "no new taxes" bumper sticker on his car is a hypocrite.
Taxes first, not only do I support "no new taxes" but I want to abolish income tax period. With that out of the way, I support the troops. Heck I used to be one, have you served in the military? Not having believed Bush's lies Saddam had WMDs I didn't want troops to be sent to Iraq to begin with, without UN support. Now, let's get them out of danger and bring them home.
FalconThe second laughable problem is that the FBI shouldn't need to justify the emergency.
The Bill of Rights exists for a reason, and that's not so whoever's in power can ignore it.
FalconIs this the same bunch of democrats that FDR and old hickory led?
Is this the same bunch of democrats who enforced Gold and Silver coinage and made sure republican weenies never controlled economy in early 1800s?
You do know that FDR took the US off the gold standard and http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-gold-confiscation.html">confiscated it?
Take the republicans now: They are a unified lot, show a lot of initiative, make sure to take the fight to the enemy camp, and generally destroy their enemy even when their forces are weak.
So why might there be a civil war in the Republican Party?
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