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Both standards are being worked on the by the W3C standards group.
According to the IBM paper html 5 is being done independently of the W3C. "In April 2007, the W3C voted on a proposal to adopt HTML V5 for review" is about as much as W3C has with html 5.
If you don't think that Synaptic/Adept/apt is a better system than anything else out there, it's only because you haven't ever used it.
I haven't used "Synaptic/Adept/apt" however as I pointed out earlier Mac also has versions of apt and rmp. However I'd rather know exactly what program I should use rather than use trial and error. At least Version Tracker has good descriptions of the software whereas lists I've seen of apt had little in the way of descriptions. I don't want to decide whether I should use program X instead of program Y without a description of what each does. Sure I can Google for it but that only adds more work, therefore the Mac is easier to get and install software you actually know what it will do. For geeks, hackers, and many/.ers it may not be difficult but it started out as a discussion of what's easier for most people. And about the only good service most anyone could use that has at least half way decent descriptions of software for Linux is CNR, which I also previously brought up.
According to the Hemp Timeline Mellon was Anslinger's wife's uncle. Wiki cites William Randolph Hearst as a creator of the "highly sensational anti-marijuana campaign". What I find incongruence is that in the February, 1938 issue of "Popular Mechanics" the magazine called hemp the "New Billion-Dollar Crop" and PM was owned and published by Hearst.
The drug war amazes me. Powerful interests involved in the profiteering over private medicinal use co-opt the security organizations to battle their competition.
The so called drug war was started purely by business interests. The war started in the 1930s with businesses pushing to make hemp illegal, which the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 did. Prior to it's passage hemp was found to be one of if the most industrial useful plants there is. MIT published a study showing an acre of hemp could make more paper than an acre of forest, this threatened newpaperman William Randolph Hearst who owned thousands of miles of land in California. Hemp was a good source for making plastics as well, however DuPont had received a patent on using petroleum to make plastic, specifically nylon. The oil from hemp seeds was useful for making diesel fuel, Rudolph Diesel designed his engine to run on most any vegetable oil. And Henry Ford designed and built a vehicle on his Iron Mountain Estate that not only used hemp in it's construction but was power by fuel made from hemp he grew on the estate. This threatened Rockefeller's Standard Oil and Rothschild's Royal Dutch Shell. Eventually Andrew Mellon, who's Mellon Bank was a major financier of DuPont, as the USA's Secretary of Treasury appointed his future nephew-in-law Harry J Anslinger as the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, the reformed Federal Bureau of Narcotics where he started the war.
Quite simply legal hemp threatened some wealthy and powerful industrialists, so they pushed to have it made illegal.
Well, it should mean "New Conservative", but look at who it is often applied to an you will see that it is used in a totally different way.
Actually it depends on what meaning of "conservative" that is used. Some say conservativism and neoconservatives supports small government. However liberals, as in Classical Liberals, were originally in support of small government.
Gotta call bullshit on this one; political protesters aren't exactly difficult to find. There's a couple of guys who post up outside my base every morning with signs, for example. The point of protest is (usually) to make your position known in as public a manner as possible.
There's a difference between simply seeing protesters and keeping track of them. In the early 1800s the US Supreme Court went so far as to say anonymity was an important part of the First Amendment's Freedom of Speech clause. If a person could not reasonably expect to remain anonymous then they didn't really have freedom of speech, if a person thought what they said could be used against them then they may not speak freely. I think that applies more today than it did then. Both Hitler and Stalin would have loved to have the power to track people the US has today to track protesters.
Personally, I think more of them should just be "cons", as in convicts. Probably, when Bush is out of office and all the dust settles, a few of them will be. A few, just enough to make us think that some kind of justice was done. Still, I don't know how many life sentences one should receive for throwing away some thousands of lives, some few civil liberties, and a few trillion dollars of public funds, but whatever.
It's not just "cons", conservatives, who costs many lives and civil liberties. Bush's direct predecessor, Clinton, bombed Serbia back to the middle ages based on false and fack intel. Some mass graves had been shown to be staged for the west. Meanwhile the KLA, Kosovo Liberation Army was raising funds by dealing with opium, much like the Taliban is today.
The fact is is the US had supported coups against democratically elected governments and supported dictators throughout the 1900s.
I'd imagine this applies to all sorts of bad guys, whether they're slinging coke by the truckload or plotting terrorist acts. That begs the question: what's the real value of these surveillance programs?
That's easy, to keep track of political protesters.
Not arguing that Carlos Sim is a honkin' big Mexican multibillionaire... but CompUSA is officially defunct.
While most CompUSAs were closed it's my understanding a few stores were kept open in select locations. And the online store, CompUSA is still running. I wonder how closing most of the stores affected his ranking. Oh, I did make a mistake though, according to wiki Carlos Slim Helú's father settled in Mexico from Lebanon.
Of course, my comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek. Netscape was the first company to understand that it was more effective to release buggy software early than to spend time getting it right.
Again MS beat Netscape to releasing buggy software. MS was releasing it in the 1980s, before Netscape existed.
More and more, vendors are including "call home" routines in their software to check for such updates.
I can see software checking to make sure it up to date, as long as the user approves. What I don't like is when it calls home to make sure it is authorized, which MS does with Activation. When I used Windows I told it when I wanted it to check for updates, but the way MS wants to treat users like they're criminals forced me to switch to Linux and OS X, about 15 months ago when my Windows PC flaked out I replaced it with a tower PC with Linux preinstalled, then when I got a laptop I got the MacBook Pro I'm typing this on. Both the PC and the MBP asks me if I want to check for updates before it does, and neither one refuses to work or works with reduced functionality if I won't let them contact the vender.
That's why I said "vast improvements over Windows 9x. I run XP on a couple of my own workstations, but my server is Win 2K.
Though I've had trouble with Windows 95, 98, and ME none of them froze the first tyme I booted them.
NT4 won't run a number of apps that I need and has been EOL'ed for way too long anyway and is no longer supported by hardware vendors.
True, what makes it worse for me is that I have NT4 installed on a PC with a DEC Alpha cpu. Once I had to reinstall NT4, but not because of a problem with NT4, and Microsoft wouldn't help me. And this was in 2000 or 2001. So I ended up taking it down to the Geek Squad, before Best Buy bought it.
In community open source projects, testing is left to the community after the developers do the best job they can to find and fix problems. Microsoft has apparently adopted this model, releasing early versions of their products so that users can find and report problems. They have extended that model to paid versions of the official releases, too, resulting in frequent Patch Tuesdays and massive Service Packs. Why pay for internal testers when you can get your customers to do it for you?
Actually Microsoft didn't learn, adopt, this from open source. MS has always released buggy software then released bug fixes afterwards. I have no problem with this, what I have a problem with is when this is used to knock off the competition and create lockin.
4. For home users, the only hassle is getting broadband on Linux.
More than a year ago I bought a PC with Linux preinstalled. Once I unpacked and set it up I was able to immediately connect to my cable provider. There was no editing configuration files or changing settings or anything like that. The PC immediately recognized the connection and allowed me to go online.
Not anymore, Bill Gates is no longer the richest person around. Now a Mexican holds that title. But he's in a related industry, he owns CompUSA, among other businesses I'm sure.
Not to be difficult, but Windows NT4, and its successors Windows 2000 and Windows XP, were vast improvements
Moving from NT4 to XP was I think a leap backwards. I've run NT4 for years and didn't have a problem with the OS but the first tyme I used XP the computer froze while booting up.
I'm getting confused as to whether you mean proprietary software or software in general. If you mean proprietary software, then you certainly have the point. If you mean software in general, I can't see how the Mac possibly wins.
I mean software that people use. The average, normal, or typical person, if there is one, mostly uses proprietary software. People buy a computer with software already installed or will have the store they buy at install the software for them. I dare to say that most software many people actually install themselves are commercial and proprietary games. And when installing software on a disk, Macs drag and drop is the easiest way to install the software.
Upthread I mentioned that Ubuntu's Synaptic offers click and install, and it's installed by default. Not so for Version Tracker, Fink, or MacPorts (per my experience). I believe that distributions such as Fedora, Suse, and Mandrake also offer graphical installers as part of their default packages, but I haven't installed software on any of those in a graphical fashion in a couple of years.
Ah but do they have accurate descriptions of the software and do they make it easy to find a specific type of software? And remember your experience probably isn't what the average user has. When I've mentioned Linux I've gotten blank stares from most people, some may ask isn't it a game or something like that. With a response like that do you really think the person is going to know about Synaptic or any other GUI installer running on Linux never mind know what program they want to download?
Steve Ballmer seems to be much more for DRM then Gates ever was, all Gates wanted to do was make some cash and make the computer easy to use, the same vision as Apple.
Actually Bill Gates was always about making money. Back in the 70s when Gates hacked a Basic interpretor for the Apple he got very upset that microprocessor hackers or Homebrewers and hobbyists shared Basic with friends without paying him. It's ironic that sharing hardware plans and software is what got the personal computer revolution started yet he wanted to stop any and all sharing.
I'd say NT 4.0 was the best thing MS put out, that I have used. NT4 was the only Windows OS I did not have crash while I was using it. XP on the other hand froze the very first tyme I booted up a computer using XP. And it wasn't a noname PC, it was on a brand new Dell, a Dimension I think though I'm not sure.
Activation, bloatware, and spyware. If I buy software whether an application or an operating system as long as I enter a valid key I shouldn't have to Activate it. Nor should my software spy on me, stamp documents with a guid, or need to be Activated again if I change hardware. All the provider of the software has any use for is whether there is a valid key, for proprietary software.
I may be wrong but I think as long as the domain is kept current the registrar is owns the domain and nobody could take it, even if the host goes bust.
I was helping a friend debug a problem a couple of weeks ago and logged into her machine and thought "Hey, I don't have ccache or Valgrind." Fortunately I had sudo access.
I'm sure it's not too much bother to remember ccache.samba.org or valgrind.org, but I didn't even have to remember that much.
Though I know a little about Linux I know nothing about most of these. I know sudo allows the user to switch to superuser and that samba is something like Windows file sharing protocol but ccache and all the others I have no idea what they are. How is anyone who knows nothing about them or Linux supposed to be able to install software in Linux? As it is now the Mac offers the easiest method for computer users to install software. Linspire's Click N Run, CNR, may change that seeing as how all it requires, other than net access, is to click to install programs. CNR doesn't work with many Linux distros though. It only works, in beta, with Freespire/Linspire, Debian, Fedora, openSuse, and Ubuntu. However Version Tracker offers something similar for Macs, as does Fink and MacPorts.
The only piece of proprietary software I've ever purchased for Mac OS X in fact didn't "just work". I could never get it working, and that's just one of the reasons I abandoned Mac OS X.
The only software I installed on my Mac that I had problem with was FOSS, Fink. Maybe I installed or used it wrong but after I installed Fink I tried to download and install HTTrack but it wouldn't download. Maybe I'll install and try MacPorts, but first I want to see what programs can be downloaded and installed with it first.
All of these commands are present on every fresh Ubuntu installation, for example, and none of them require the presence of magic pixies to define away other parts of the software installation process to make it look more simple than it is. It really is this simple, as long as the software is in the repository.
And how do you know what software you want to install on Ubuntu? Perhaps those magic pixies?
I don't know about that. While I would consider Mac OS acceptably stable for my day-to-day work, I would never say that "stability" was one of its prime advantages. My Mac is generally acceptable, but I've have several crashes and other stability issues with both 10.3 and 10.4 (they might have fixed things with 10.5, but I've heard some horror stories). By contrast, I don't seem to ever have any issues with my XP machine.
I've only had my MacBook Pro about 4 months and though I haven't had a problem with it's stability I haven't had it long enough to decide whether it's really stable. However the very first tyme I used XP the Dell it was on froze while booting up. Now let's see, having a computer running more than 50% of the tyme for four months and not having a problem versus less than 5 minutes from first booting up a computer, which do I think is more stable? The one that actually runs and doesn't freeze.
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Both standards are being worked on the by the W3C standards group.
According to the IBM paper html 5 is being done independently of the W3C. "In April 2007, the W3C voted on a proposal to adopt HTML V5 for review" is about as much as W3C has with html 5.
FalconIf you don't think that Synaptic/Adept/apt is a better system than anything else out there, it's only because you haven't ever used it.
I haven't used "Synaptic/Adept/apt" however as I pointed out earlier Mac also has versions of apt and rmp. However I'd rather know exactly what program I should use rather than use trial and error. At least Version Tracker has good descriptions of the software whereas lists I've seen of apt had little in the way of descriptions. I don't want to decide whether I should use program X instead of program Y without a description of what each does. Sure I can Google for it but that only adds more work, therefore the Mac is easier to get and install software you actually know what it will do. For geeks, hackers, and many /.ers it may not be difficult but it started out as a discussion of what's easier for most people. And about the only good service most anyone could use that has at least half way decent descriptions of software for Linux is CNR, which I also previously brought up.
FalconAccording to the Hemp Timeline Mellon was Anslinger's wife's uncle. Wiki cites William Randolph Hearst as a creator of the "highly sensational anti-marijuana campaign". What I find incongruence is that in the February, 1938 issue of "Popular Mechanics" the magazine called hemp the "New Billion-Dollar Crop" and PM was owned and published by Hearst.
FalconThe drug war amazes me. Powerful interests involved in the profiteering over private medicinal use co-opt the security organizations to battle their competition.
The so called drug war was started purely by business interests. The war started in the 1930s with businesses pushing to make hemp illegal, which the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 did. Prior to it's passage hemp was found to be one of if the most industrial useful plants there is. MIT published a study showing an acre of hemp could make more paper than an acre of forest, this threatened newpaperman William Randolph Hearst who owned thousands of miles of land in California. Hemp was a good source for making plastics as well, however DuPont had received a patent on using petroleum to make plastic, specifically nylon. The oil from hemp seeds was useful for making diesel fuel, Rudolph Diesel designed his engine to run on most any vegetable oil. And Henry Ford designed and built a vehicle on his Iron Mountain Estate that not only used hemp in it's construction but was power by fuel made from hemp he grew on the estate. This threatened Rockefeller's Standard Oil and Rothschild's Royal Dutch Shell. Eventually Andrew Mellon, who's Mellon Bank was a major financier of DuPont, as the USA's Secretary of Treasury appointed his future nephew-in-law Harry J Anslinger as the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, the reformed Federal Bureau of Narcotics where he started the war.
Quite simply legal hemp threatened some wealthy and powerful industrialists, so they pushed to have it made illegal.
FalconWell, it should mean "New Conservative", but look at who it is often applied to an you will see that it is used in a totally different way.
Actually it depends on what meaning of "conservative" that is used. Some say conservativism and neoconservatives supports small government. However liberals, as in Classical Liberals, were originally in support of small government.
FalconGotta call bullshit on this one; political protesters aren't exactly difficult to find. There's a couple of guys who post up outside my base every morning with signs, for example. The point of protest is (usually) to make your position known in as public a manner as possible.
There's a difference between simply seeing protesters and keeping track of them. In the early 1800s the US Supreme Court went so far as to say anonymity was an important part of the First Amendment's Freedom of Speech clause. If a person could not reasonably expect to remain anonymous then they didn't really have freedom of speech, if a person thought what they said could be used against them then they may not speak freely. I think that applies more today than it did then. Both Hitler and Stalin would have loved to have the power to track people the US has today to track protesters.
FalconPersonally, I think more of them should just be "cons", as in convicts. Probably, when Bush is out of office and all the dust settles, a few of them will be. A few, just enough to make us think that some kind of justice was done. Still, I don't know how many life sentences one should receive for throwing away some thousands of lives, some few civil liberties, and a few trillion dollars of public funds, but whatever.
It's not just "cons", conservatives, who costs many lives and civil liberties. Bush's direct predecessor, Clinton, bombed Serbia back to the middle ages based on false and fack intel. Some mass graves had been shown to be staged for the west. Meanwhile the KLA, Kosovo Liberation Army was raising funds by dealing with opium, much like the Taliban is today.
The fact is is the US had supported coups against democratically elected governments and supported dictators throughout the 1900s.
FalconActually "neo" does not mean that. Neo means new or modern ie "neoconservative" means new conservative. Neo is good for neologisms or new words.
FalconI'd imagine this applies to all sorts of bad guys, whether they're slinging coke by the truckload or plotting terrorist acts. That begs the question: what's the real value of these surveillance programs?
That's easy, to keep track of political protesters.
FalconNot arguing that Carlos Sim is a honkin' big Mexican multibillionaire ... but CompUSA is officially defunct.
While most CompUSAs were closed it's my understanding a few stores were kept open in select locations. And the online store, CompUSA is still running. I wonder how closing most of the stores affected his ranking. Oh, I did make a mistake though, according to wiki Carlos Slim Helú's father settled in Mexico from Lebanon.
FalconOf course, my comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek. Netscape was the first company to understand that it was more effective to release buggy software early than to spend time getting it right.
Again MS beat Netscape to releasing buggy software. MS was releasing it in the 1980s, before Netscape existed.
More and more, vendors are including "call home" routines in their software to check for such updates.
I can see software checking to make sure it up to date, as long as the user approves. What I don't like is when it calls home to make sure it is authorized, which MS does with Activation. When I used Windows I told it when I wanted it to check for updates, but the way MS wants to treat users like they're criminals forced me to switch to Linux and OS X, about 15 months ago when my Windows PC flaked out I replaced it with a tower PC with Linux preinstalled, then when I got a laptop I got the MacBook Pro I'm typing this on. Both the PC and the MBP asks me if I want to check for updates before it does, and neither one refuses to work or works with reduced functionality if I won't let them contact the vender.
FalconThat's why I said "vast improvements over Windows 9x. I run XP on a couple of my own workstations, but my server is Win 2K.
Though I've had trouble with Windows 95, 98, and ME none of them froze the first tyme I booted them.
NT4 won't run a number of apps that I need and has been EOL'ed for way too long anyway and is no longer supported by hardware vendors.
True, what makes it worse for me is that I have NT4 installed on a PC with a DEC Alpha cpu. Once I had to reinstall NT4, but not because of a problem with NT4, and Microsoft wouldn't help me. And this was in 2000 or 2001. So I ended up taking it down to the Geek Squad, before Best Buy bought it.
FalconIn community open source projects, testing is left to the community after the developers do the best job they can to find and fix problems. Microsoft has apparently adopted this model, releasing early versions of their products so that users can find and report problems. They have extended that model to paid versions of the official releases, too, resulting in frequent Patch Tuesdays and massive Service Packs. Why pay for internal testers when you can get your customers to do it for you?
Actually Microsoft didn't learn, adopt, this from open source. MS has always released buggy software then released bug fixes afterwards. I have no problem with this, what I have a problem with is when this is used to knock off the competition and create lockin.
Falcon4. For home users, the only hassle is getting broadband on Linux.
More than a year ago I bought a PC with Linux preinstalled. Once I unpacked and set it up I was able to immediately connect to my cable provider. There was no editing configuration files or changing settings or anything like that. The PC immediately recognized the connection and allowed me to go online.
Falcongreat he's the richest guy around
Not anymore, Bill Gates is no longer the richest person around. Now a Mexican holds that title. But he's in a related industry, he owns CompUSA, among other businesses I'm sure.
FalconNot to be difficult, but Windows NT4, and its successors Windows 2000 and Windows XP, were vast improvements
Moving from NT4 to XP was I think a leap backwards. I've run NT4 for years and didn't have a problem with the OS but the first tyme I used XP the computer froze while booting up.
FalconI'm getting confused as to whether you mean proprietary software or software in general. If you mean proprietary software, then you certainly have the point. If you mean software in general, I can't see how the Mac possibly wins.
I mean software that people use. The average, normal, or typical person, if there is one, mostly uses proprietary software. People buy a computer with software already installed or will have the store they buy at install the software for them. I dare to say that most software many people actually install themselves are commercial and proprietary games. And when installing software on a disk, Macs drag and drop is the easiest way to install the software.
Upthread I mentioned that Ubuntu's Synaptic offers click and install, and it's installed by default. Not so for Version Tracker, Fink, or MacPorts (per my experience). I believe that distributions such as Fedora, Suse, and Mandrake also offer graphical installers as part of their default packages, but I haven't installed software on any of those in a graphical fashion in a couple of years.
Ah but do they have accurate descriptions of the software and do they make it easy to find a specific type of software? And remember your experience probably isn't what the average user has. When I've mentioned Linux I've gotten blank stares from most people, some may ask isn't it a game or something like that. With a response like that do you really think the person is going to know about Synaptic or any other GUI installer running on Linux never mind know what program they want to download?
FalconSteve Ballmer seems to be much more for DRM then Gates ever was, all Gates wanted to do was make some cash and make the computer easy to use, the same vision as Apple.
Actually Bill Gates was always about making money. Back in the 70s when Gates hacked a Basic interpretor for the Apple he got very upset that microprocessor hackers or Homebrewers and hobbyists shared Basic with friends without paying him. It's ironic that sharing hardware plans and software is what got the personal computer revolution started yet he wanted to stop any and all sharing.
FalconI'd say NT 4.0 was the best thing MS put out, that I have used. NT4 was the only Windows OS I did not have crash while I was using it. XP on the other hand froze the very first tyme I booted up a computer using XP. And it wasn't a noname PC, it was on a brand new Dell, a Dimension I think though I'm not sure.
FalconActivation, bloatware, and spyware. If I buy software whether an application or an operating system as long as I enter a valid key I shouldn't have to Activate it. Nor should my software spy on me, stamp documents with a guid, or need to be Activated again if I change hardware. All the provider of the software has any use for is whether there is a valid key, for proprietary software.
FalconI may be wrong but I think as long as the domain is kept current the registrar is owns the domain and nobody could take it, even if the host goes bust.
FalconI was helping a friend debug a problem a couple of weeks ago and logged into her machine and thought "Hey, I don't have ccache or Valgrind." Fortunately I had sudo access.
I'm sure it's not too much bother to remember ccache.samba.org or valgrind.org, but I didn't even have to remember that much.
Though I know a little about Linux I know nothing about most of these. I know sudo allows the user to switch to superuser and that samba is something like Windows file sharing protocol but ccache and all the others I have no idea what they are. How is anyone who knows nothing about them or Linux supposed to be able to install software in Linux? As it is now the Mac offers the easiest method for computer users to install software. Linspire's Click N Run, CNR, may change that seeing as how all it requires, other than net access, is to click to install programs. CNR doesn't work with many Linux distros though. It only works, in beta, with Freespire/Linspire, Debian, Fedora, openSuse, and Ubuntu. However Version Tracker offers something similar for Macs, as does Fink and MacPorts.
FalconThe only piece of proprietary software I've ever purchased for Mac OS X in fact didn't "just work". I could never get it working, and that's just one of the reasons I abandoned Mac OS X.
The only software I installed on my Mac that I had problem with was FOSS, Fink. Maybe I installed or used it wrong but after I installed Fink I tried to download and install HTTrack but it wouldn't download. Maybe I'll install and try MacPorts, but first I want to see what programs can be downloaded and installed with it first.
FalconAll of these commands are present on every fresh Ubuntu installation, for example, and none of them require the presence of magic pixies to define away other parts of the software installation process to make it look more simple than it is. It really is this simple, as long as the software is in the repository.
And how do you know what software you want to install on Ubuntu? Perhaps those magic pixies?
FalconI don't know about that. While I would consider Mac OS acceptably stable for my day-to-day work, I would never say that "stability" was one of its prime advantages. My Mac is generally acceptable, but I've have several crashes and other stability issues with both 10.3 and 10.4 (they might have fixed things with 10.5, but I've heard some horror stories). By contrast, I don't seem to ever have any issues with my XP machine.
I've only had my MacBook Pro about 4 months and though I haven't had a problem with it's stability I haven't had it long enough to decide whether it's really stable. However the very first tyme I used XP the Dell it was on froze while booting up. Now let's see, having a computer running more than 50% of the tyme for four months and not having a problem versus less than 5 minutes from first booting up a computer, which do I think is more stable? The one that actually runs and doesn't freeze.
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