Up until a month ago I did. But then my Windows PC died then. To replace it I got a Macbook Pro. When I saw TFA I downloaded Eudora and will install it. Yes, I'm comfortable with it but I also like how it filters messages. Since I've used the Windows version it shouldn't take long to become familiar with it, especially now that I am switching from Windows to both OS X and Linux and will have to learn them.
Here's hoping the new Eudora includes the best features and functionality of both Eudora 7.x and Thunderbird (both of which I use daily). I haven't seen anything else which matches the the filtering capabilities in Eudora, but the HTML renderer is as powerful as a gopher browser. On the other hand, I really like Thunderbird's ability to keep multiple accounts separated and and treat their settings independently.
You can setup different users with different settings in Eudora:
You are talking about a photo editor: that is an example to me of an application that is better off stand-alone. Just like a word processor. Anything that loads data, edits it, and later saves it. The software I'm thinking of (e-mail, accounting, crm,...) often requires multi-user access and a database to store it's data. It will always do calls to that database.
I don't need anything more to access my email than net access, I can access it anywhere with a connection to the net. Oh and doesn't email and the other things you list load date, edit it, and later saves it? I know I'm able to do all these with my email, and much of the rest of this should be able to be done on a laptop or by vpn. I haven't done it yet, I've only got my laptop about a month ago and don't have it compleatly setup yet, but I plan to setup my Linux PC which I'll use as a server and testbed, which I can then vpn into with my Macbook Pro. If only I could figure out to have the PC bootup for me when I want to access it while I'm away instead of always keeping it running. I know it's possible to do with a landline phone service however I don't have one, the only phone service I have is cellphone service.
I don't know. I don't know the answers to a lot of questions. I'm only proposing that it entirely makes sense that applications could be moved to the web and maintain the features you enjoy about them today. A reconstruction of Web protocols, "browsers", etc could very well make this possible. I don't think it's neatly possible right now.
Some apps maybe but not all. Though you might be able not everyone is able to always remain connected, nor does everyone want to be always connected. I don't want to have to depend on having access a server, or the server itself not in my control if not in my possession.
But the benefits of having your documents, you programs, your preferences and settings available to you everywhere, on any device running any platform, is at least a little interesting.
Yea, the same access everyone else has. If you want to have your documents with you then a way to do so is by having a laptop with the apps and docs on the laptop, that and have an external hdd. Then when you get net access you can vpn into your own server.
The biggest reason I generally prefer software installed on my machines and not use web apps though is because I want to own and control them not rent them, software as a product not a service.
I'm as a hobby also programming some web apps. Nothing fancy, no AJAX, mostly database interfacing. The widgets a browser provides are limited, but do the job for that. Programming the same in Gnome would be faster for the end user and look fancier, but then it's stuck to one computer, and one operating system. My web apps run on one server, and can be accessed from anywhere. And that is cool.
Web apps are ok but I prefer to have my apps with me, and not need to be connected to access them. After not having a laptop for several years a few weeks ago I got a new Macbook Pro, and as someone who likes nature photography I want to be able to go out in the field, say hiking, shoot some photos and maybe do some preliminary edition while out. A web app won't allow me to do that. With an editor installed on my laptop I can edit away. At least while my batteries last. However I have two batteries then there are portable power supplies, like small solar panels, that can recharge a battery. These are alright if they can produce enough power to keep good batteries on hand, but otherwise I've been thinking about having something like a Sterling Engine I could take with me, just include one in the list of equipment to take. Oh, also I want to work on programming some apps for photographers as well. I can already hear people say that's too much weight to be hiking with but if I can't hike with 25, even 30, pounds when I used to hike, and run, with 50 to 100 pounds then I'm in real bad shape.
I know lots of lots of people (my mother is one of them) who used Eudora religiously and really misses it to this day.
I've recently switched from Windows and I miss not having Eudora. When I saw this post I immediately read it, then downloaded the new version of Eudora and the readme file.
Why you'd want Thunderbird to behave more like Eudora, I don't know. I guess a lot of Eudora users (full disclosure: I used to use Eudora back when I had dialup and Windows 3.x) might like a version of Thunderbird that behaves like Eudora in terms of key bindings, toolbars, etc.
I've been using Eudora on Windows PCs since the '90s and now I want an updated version to run on my Linux PC and my Macbook Pro. What I want is one that's similar to what I'm used to and can import all my old emails.
I've used Eudora since the '90s, up until I released switched from Windows to both Linux and OS X, I bought a PC with Linux preinstalled almost a year ago and a couple of weeks ago got a new Macbook Pro. Since switching I've only used webmail, my ISP Earthlink offers users access their email by the web, Webmail. Now that the new Eudora has been released I can setup it up and import my old email. At least on my new Mac, now I just need to figure out to do it on my Linux PC.
f a blogger is independant of a political organization ( or at least, doesn't get his bills paid for by a political organization ) said blogger isn't subject to campaign finance law.
As much as I may hate what some say, applying political speech to campaign finance laws is an abridgment of the First Amendment's Freedom of Speech, said freedom meant specifically for political speech. Afterall it was while Thomas Paine was serving in the army under Gen Washington that he wrote "These are the times that tries men's souls." Unlike many other pamphleteers who wrote anonymously Thomas Paine wrote under his own name.
sufficient to say I loath both democrats and republicans. I don't have minor issues with the candidates; I have large ideological divides with all of them. I am pretty sure I am not alone.
I would prefer a rule that stated that bloggers who specifically blogged on political matters for the demonstrable purpose of astroturfing were subject to campaign finance laws, but that all bloggers who acted as political correspondents or debaters should be given the same protections and immunities as any other political commentator or journalist.
And who's going to decide what's what, you? What may be astroturfing to you may be legitimate to someone else. All this would do is shutdown legitimate political dialogue.
That's the "spoiler" effect that put Bill Clinton into office in 1992 and George Bush into office in 2000. I find it hard to believe many people who voted for Nader in 2000 would have chosen Bush over Gore. Given the election was so close it's hard to argue against the stipulation "Ralph Nader elected George Bush".
In 2000 I was planning to vote for a third party candidate, I hadn't made up my mind but I was going to vote for either Harry Brown or Ralph Nader. However when I saw how close the election was going to be I specifically voted against Bush by checking Gore, on the ballet. However Bush's brother and Florida campaign manager made sure he won Florida giving him the win. I felt though bad Gore would be better than Bush, and the last six years have verified my belief.
So it's not hard to understand why lots of people refuse to support third parties. Personally I'd rather the US had some kind of parliamentary system, where I could vote for the party that most represents my views. But that just isn't going to happen, barring some extraordinary event.
Who you vote for is up to you. With the exception of the 2000 vote I've voted for the person who came the closest to holding my political beliefs. I've voted Democrat, Green, Independent, Libertarian, non affiliated, Reform, and republican candidates. I prefer to do my own thinking and not have a party dictate it to me. As for what governmental system I'd rather have, I'd rather have one that's small government. Let people decide for themselves and not have government controlling them.
I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh on AM radio every day on my drive home from school. This was during Clinton's second term
I listened to him a lot during Clinton's first term and I'd get a kick off of how he twisted facts around. However it's not just on the right that commentators twist facts, those on the right do too. Actually I'd bet most people do.
Most people hang out in the political middle, so a 3rd party that caters to the far left (like the Greens) or the far right (like the Libertarians)
This needs a correction, the Libertarian Party is in the center. It is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. It's perceptions like this where many make a mistake in saying the Libertarians are to the right.
For example suppose you have a race with the typical Democrat and Republican, but also a non-crazy Libertarian (I know, seems to be an impossibility).
It's most likely the Libertarian will be the sanest candidate, and the best. Democrats want control, Republicans want control, but Libertarians will give power back to the people.
Let's say it would work like the 2004 election and result in a 286-252 win for the Republican. However the Libertarian manages to woo some of the fiscal conservatives to his side instead.
Of course, by the tyme Nixon was in office, the Republican Party lost it's roots as a party of small government and liberty. That being so some Republicans left the party and started the Libertarian Party. However not all Libertarians came from the Republican Party, some were Democrats first, they then became Libertarian. I was one, when I first voted I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980. In 1984, though I don't recall who it was I most likely voted Democrat too. But in 1988 I became active in the election, I was deputized to register voters, and learned about Ron Paul who was the Libertarian candidate. The more I learned the more I liked Libertarians. I am registered No Party Preference but more than likely if there's a Libertarian candidate I'll vote for him or her. Otherwise I've voted for Democrats and Republicans, and Reform Party candidates. I vote fiscally conservative and socially liberal, ie for small government and liberty, which is what the USA was based on (supposedly).
or at least make the primaries like in NH where anyone can vote for anyone regardless of party.
That's a start but repealing Amendment 12 would have a dramatic effect. By going back to how the president and vice president were chosen I think would have a big impact. Off course neither the Democrats nor Republicans would approve of it, they want their candidates to run as a team and not run against each other. That's why they passed the amendment to begin with. They didn't want the chance the president was from one party and the vp from another.
Make the bar to get on the ballet high enough to discourage lunatics (say 100K for a non-incumbent, 20K for past office holders of same level (state/federal/etc.), 10K for incumbents).
In other words lock out third political parties. I'm sure both Democrats and Republicans would love that.
In the US without registration all you could win in court if it went that far is to get a cease and desist order.
Basically true, but one should note that that's if you haven't registered when you go to court; you don't have to register before the infringement to be able to sue for damages. It's a limitation on instituting (certain types of) legal action not on your rights as a copyright holder.
Thanks, I didn't know that. If you find someone who's copying your work as their own, you can then register and sue for compensation.
"Maybe reality is finally setting in. I remember buying albums because I liked 2 or 3 songs on the album. The rest of the songs sucked. But that was my only choice. "
Yeah...that is sad really. I mean, sure, I did that too with a few songs I really like back in the 70's and early 80's. But I gotta say, the majority of the albums I bought back then...I liked EVERY song on.
I may not of liked all of the songs on an album back in the '70s and early '80s but I liked most of them. Today only one song might be good. Because I found some stores that sale new vinyl I've been thinking of getting a new turntable, and I've been seeing more and more stores carrying turntables. I just need to find out what are the good ones and find a good reel to reel tape deck, then save the money to get them.
I bought the album for 2-3 songs, but, it turned out...the WHOLE album was great. What happened to that? Boston's first 2 albums...all good. Dark Side of the Moon, Animals, The Wall, the entire Zeppelin collection (with the exception to Hat's off to Roy Harper on Zep III), A Night at the Opera, Get Yer Ya Ya's Out (possibly one of the greatest live albums ever), Some Girls, Tattoo You, Paranoid, Abbey Road, Klaatu, Hope, Aqualung, Back in Black....etc...etc.
Agreed! With some of those. I'd add ZZ Top, Lynard Skynard, Alabama, and BTO. Gotta take care of business. Or go to the House of the Rising Sun.
They've yet to discover this thing called the Internet[s], except insofar as people use it to "steal" "their" content. If we've learned enything with the Net, it's that info-iteration loops can be completed very rapidly and cheaply--we don't need to spend $millions to discover a flop.
The labels haven't figured it out yet but some performers are onto it, so small and or local bands use the net to get their music out. Magnatunes and some open source, creative commons, websites are used for this.
but the reporter seems to have said that; he's not quoting an industry exec.
Not that it matters. That's only one tiny sentence in a 10 page article.
I was thinking I was the only one who noticed that. For all of the talk about Apple here you'd think TFA was about Apple.
The industry is in distribution free fall, and everyone seems to be saying that a low-cost monthly subscription model is the answer.
Forget that for me, I buy I don't rent. Not only that but I plan on buying a new turntable to replace the one I used to have, I've been seeing more and more store carrying and selling vinyl turntables. I much prefer vinyl to digital music.
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Up until a month ago I did. But then my Windows PC died then. To replace it I got a Macbook Pro. When I saw TFA I downloaded Eudora and will install it. Yes, I'm comfortable with it but I also like how it filters messages. Since I've used the Windows version it shouldn't take long to become familiar with it, especially now that I am switching from Windows to both OS X and Linux and will have to learn them.
FalconHere's hoping the new Eudora includes the best features and functionality of both Eudora 7.x and Thunderbird (both of which I use daily). I haven't seen anything else which matches the the filtering capabilities in Eudora, but the HTML renderer is as powerful as a gopher browser. On the other hand, I really like Thunderbird's ability to keep multiple accounts separated and and treat their settings independently.
You can setup different users with different settings in Eudora:
How do I set up multiple users on one machine? For the Mac, for Windows, Multiple Users/Mailboxes (Windows)
FalconYou are talking about a photo editor: that is an example to me of an application that is better off stand-alone. Just like a word processor. Anything that loads data, edits it, and later saves it. The software I'm thinking of (e-mail, accounting, crm, ...) often requires multi-user access and a database to store it's data. It will always do calls to that database.
I don't need anything more to access my email than net access, I can access it anywhere with a connection to the net. Oh and doesn't email and the other things you list load date, edit it, and later saves it? I know I'm able to do all these with my email, and much of the rest of this should be able to be done on a laptop or by vpn. I haven't done it yet, I've only got my laptop about a month ago and don't have it compleatly setup yet, but I plan to setup my Linux PC which I'll use as a server and testbed, which I can then vpn into with my Macbook Pro. If only I could figure out to have the PC bootup for me when I want to access it while I'm away instead of always keeping it running. I know it's possible to do with a landline phone service however I don't have one, the only phone service I have is cellphone service.
FalconI don't know. I don't know the answers to a lot of questions. I'm only proposing that it entirely makes sense that applications could be moved to the web and maintain the features you enjoy about them today. A reconstruction of Web protocols, "browsers", etc could very well make this possible. I don't think it's neatly possible right now.
Some apps maybe but not all. Though you might be able not everyone is able to always remain connected, nor does everyone want to be always connected. I don't want to have to depend on having access a server, or the server itself not in my control if not in my possession.
But the benefits of having your documents, you programs, your preferences and settings available to you everywhere, on any device running any platform, is at least a little interesting.
Yea, the same access everyone else has. If you want to have your documents with you then a way to do so is by having a laptop with the apps and docs on the laptop, that and have an external hdd. Then when you get net access you can vpn into your own server.
The biggest reason I generally prefer software installed on my machines and not use web apps though is because I want to own and control them not rent them, software as a product not a service.
FalconI'm as a hobby also programming some web apps. Nothing fancy, no AJAX, mostly database interfacing. The widgets a browser provides are limited, but do the job for that. Programming the same in Gnome would be faster for the end user and look fancier, but then it's stuck to one computer, and one operating system. My web apps run on one server, and can be accessed from anywhere. And that is cool.
Web apps are ok but I prefer to have my apps with me, and not need to be connected to access them. After not having a laptop for several years a few weeks ago I got a new Macbook Pro, and as someone who likes nature photography I want to be able to go out in the field, say hiking, shoot some photos and maybe do some preliminary edition while out. A web app won't allow me to do that. With an editor installed on my laptop I can edit away. At least while my batteries last. However I have two batteries then there are portable power supplies, like small solar panels, that can recharge a battery. These are alright if they can produce enough power to keep good batteries on hand, but otherwise I've been thinking about having something like a Sterling Engine I could take with me, just include one in the list of equipment to take. Oh, also I want to work on programming some apps for photographers as well. I can already hear people say that's too much weight to be hiking with but if I can't hike with 25, even 30, pounds when I used to hike, and run, with 50 to 100 pounds then I'm in real bad shape.
Falconplatform independent.
I can do that now seeing as how my ISP offers webmail.
FalconI know lots of lots of people (my mother is one of them) who used Eudora religiously and really misses it to this day.
I've recently switched from Windows and I miss not having Eudora. When I saw this post I immediately read it, then downloaded the new version of Eudora and the readme file.
FalconWhy you'd want Thunderbird to behave more like Eudora, I don't know. I guess a lot of Eudora users (full disclosure: I used to use Eudora back when I had dialup and Windows 3.x) might like a version of Thunderbird that behaves like Eudora in terms of key bindings, toolbars, etc.
I've been using Eudora on Windows PCs since the '90s and now I want an updated version to run on my Linux PC and my Macbook Pro. What I want is one that's similar to what I'm used to and can import all my old emails.
FalconI've used Eudora since the '90s, up until I released switched from Windows to both Linux and OS X, I bought a PC with Linux preinstalled almost a year ago and a couple of weeks ago got a new Macbook Pro. Since switching I've only used webmail, my ISP Earthlink offers users access their email by the web, Webmail. Now that the new Eudora has been released I can setup it up and import my old email. At least on my new Mac, now I just need to figure out to do it on my Linux PC.
Falconf a blogger is independant of a political organization ( or at least, doesn't get his bills paid for by a political organization ) said blogger isn't subject to campaign finance law.
As much as I may hate what some say, applying political speech to campaign finance laws is an abridgment of the First Amendment's Freedom of Speech, said freedom meant specifically for political speech. Afterall it was while Thomas Paine was serving in the army under Gen Washington that he wrote "These are the times that tries men's souls." Unlike many other pamphleteers who wrote anonymously Thomas Paine wrote under his own name.
Falconsufficient to say I loath both democrats and republicans. I don't have minor issues with the candidates; I have large ideological divides with all of them. I am pretty sure I am not alone.
Same here, you're not alone.
FalconHeaven knows I'll probably end up voting for her this go-around
If I get the chance I'll vote for Ron Paul, I'll have to wait to see who the candidates are before I decide. But it won't be the Socialist Clinton.
FalconI would prefer a rule that stated that bloggers who specifically blogged on political matters for the demonstrable purpose of astroturfing were subject to campaign finance laws, but that all bloggers who acted as political correspondents or debaters should be given the same protections and immunities as any other political commentator or journalist.
And who's going to decide what's what, you? What may be astroturfing to you may be legitimate to someone else. All this would do is shutdown legitimate political dialogue.
FalconThat's the "spoiler" effect that put Bill Clinton into office in 1992 and George Bush into office in 2000. I find it hard to believe many people who voted for Nader in 2000 would have chosen Bush over Gore. Given the election was so close it's hard to argue against the stipulation "Ralph Nader elected George Bush".
In 2000 I was planning to vote for a third party candidate, I hadn't made up my mind but I was going to vote for either Harry Brown or Ralph Nader. However when I saw how close the election was going to be I specifically voted against Bush by checking Gore, on the ballet. However Bush's brother and Florida campaign manager made sure he won Florida giving him the win. I felt though bad Gore would be better than Bush, and the last six years have verified my belief.
So it's not hard to understand why lots of people refuse to support third parties. Personally I'd rather the US had some kind of parliamentary system, where I could vote for the party that most represents my views. But that just isn't going to happen, barring some extraordinary event.
Who you vote for is up to you. With the exception of the 2000 vote I've voted for the person who came the closest to holding my political beliefs. I've voted Democrat, Green, Independent, Libertarian, non affiliated, Reform, and republican candidates. I prefer to do my own thinking and not have a party dictate it to me. As for what governmental system I'd rather have, I'd rather have one that's small government. Let people decide for themselves and not have government controlling them.
FalconI used to listen to Rush Limbaugh on AM radio every day on my drive home from school. This was during Clinton's second term
I listened to him a lot during Clinton's first term and I'd get a kick off of how he twisted facts around. However it's not just on the right that commentators twist facts, those on the right do too. Actually I'd bet most people do.
FalconMost people hang out in the political middle, so a 3rd party that caters to the far left (like the Greens) or the far right (like the Libertarians)
This needs a correction, the Libertarian Party is in the center. It is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. It's perceptions like this where many make a mistake in saying the Libertarians are to the right.
FalconFor example suppose you have a race with the typical Democrat and Republican, but also a non-crazy Libertarian (I know, seems to be an impossibility).
It's most likely the Libertarian will be the sanest candidate, and the best. Democrats want control, Republicans want control, but Libertarians will give power back to the people.
Let's say it would work like the 2004 election and result in a 286-252 win for the Republican. However the Libertarian manages to woo some of the fiscal conservatives to his side instead.
Of course, by the tyme Nixon was in office, the Republican Party lost it's roots as a party of small government and liberty. That being so some Republicans left the party and started the Libertarian Party. However not all Libertarians came from the Republican Party, some were Democrats first, they then became Libertarian. I was one, when I first voted I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980. In 1984, though I don't recall who it was I most likely voted Democrat too. But in 1988 I became active in the election, I was deputized to register voters, and learned about Ron Paul who was the Libertarian candidate. The more I learned the more I liked Libertarians. I am registered No Party Preference but more than likely if there's a Libertarian candidate I'll vote for him or her. Otherwise I've voted for Democrats and Republicans, and Reform Party candidates. I vote fiscally conservative and socially liberal, ie for small government and liberty, which is what the USA was based on (supposedly).
Falconor at least make the primaries like in NH where anyone can vote for anyone regardless of party.
That's a start but repealing Amendment 12 would have a dramatic effect. By going back to how the president and vice president were chosen I think would have a big impact. Off course neither the Democrats nor Republicans would approve of it, they want their candidates to run as a team and not run against each other. That's why they passed the amendment to begin with. They didn't want the chance the president was from one party and the vp from another.
FalconMake the bar to get on the ballet high enough to discourage lunatics (say 100K for a non-incumbent, 20K for past office holders of same level (state/federal/etc.), 10K for incumbents).
In other words lock out third political parties. I'm sure both Democrats and Republicans would love that.
FalconSounds like the newspaper.
FalconIn the US without registration all you could win in court if it went that far is to get a cease and desist order.
Basically true, but one should note that that's if you haven't registered when you go to court; you don't have to register before the infringement to be able to sue for damages. It's a limitation on instituting (certain types of) legal action not on your rights as a copyright holder.
Thanks, I didn't know that. If you find someone who's copying your work as their own, you can then register and sue for compensation.
Falcon'rock' music really encompassed a lot of different styles.....
Ah, "Those were the days". I know a couple of radios that play a mix today, good old Rock and Roll, country, and Jazz.
Falcon"Maybe reality is finally setting in. I remember buying albums because I liked 2 or 3 songs on the album. The rest of the songs sucked. But that was my only choice. "
Yeah...that is sad really. I mean, sure, I did that too with a few songs I really like back in the 70's and early 80's. But I gotta say, the majority of the albums I bought back then...I liked EVERY song on.
I may not of liked all of the songs on an album back in the '70s and early '80s but I liked most of them. Today only one song might be good. Because I found some stores that sale new vinyl I've been thinking of getting a new turntable, and I've been seeing more and more stores carrying turntables. I just need to find out what are the good ones and find a good reel to reel tape deck, then save the money to get them.
I bought the album for 2-3 songs, but, it turned out...the WHOLE album was great. What happened to that? Boston's first 2 albums...all good. Dark Side of the Moon, Animals, The Wall, the entire Zeppelin collection (with the exception to Hat's off to Roy Harper on Zep III), A Night at the Opera, Get Yer Ya Ya's Out (possibly one of the greatest live albums ever), Some Girls, Tattoo You, Paranoid, Abbey Road, Klaatu, Hope, Aqualung, Back in Black....etc...etc.
Agreed! With some of those. I'd add ZZ Top, Lynard Skynard, Alabama, and BTO. Gotta take care of business. Or go to the House of the Rising Sun.
They've yet to discover this thing called the Internet[s], except insofar as people use it to "steal" "their" content. If we've learned enything with the Net, it's that info-iteration loops can be completed very rapidly and cheaply--we don't need to spend $millions to discover a flop.
The labels haven't figured it out yet but some performers are onto it, so small and or local bands use the net to get their music out. Magnatunes and some open source, creative commons, websites are used for this.
Falconbut the reporter seems to have said that; he's not quoting an industry exec.
Not that it matters. That's only one tiny sentence in a 10 page article.
I was thinking I was the only one who noticed that. For all of the talk about Apple here you'd think TFA was about Apple.
The industry is in distribution free fall, and everyone seems to be saying that a low-cost monthly subscription model is the answer.
Forget that for me, I buy I don't rent. Not only that but I plan on buying a new turntable to replace the one I used to have, I've been seeing more and more store carrying and selling vinyl turntables. I much prefer vinyl to digital music.
Falcon