BS, they spied on Martin Luther King Jr. As director of the FBI, J Edgar Hoover kept secret files on a lot of people from equal right activists to peace activitists.
Uh, right. That was before I was born. I'm talking about anti-terror stuff since 2001. I'm sure the FBI did some questionable stuff during WWI looking for Kaisers as well, but we should move beyond that.
I lived through it and what happened once will happen again. Hell, it's happening now, that's what tfa is all about. And just like the Johnson admin lied about Golf of Tonkin incindent in order to have the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution passed by congress in 1964, this admin lied about Iraq having WMDs and ties to al Quada. I never have and never will trust government, as the old saying goes "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
I haven't done it myself so I don't know whether it's the docs or the macros, however I've heard from others that they've had problems though not what the problem is.
the FBI does not want to spy on you if you are not planning a terrorist act.
BS, they spied on Martin Luther King Jr. As director of the FBI, J Edgar Hoover kept secret files on a lot of people from equal right activists to peace activitists.
install OpenOffice on their Windows machine and let them get used to that. It's really just as easy to use as MS Office, IMO
That's one way, a good one at that, to get people to switch However it doesn't work very well switching to OpenOffice from MS Office. OO doesn't handle everything Office can, like some macros. Until OO gets better you can find yourself up shit creek when someone sends you an Office document. When this happens to someone who just switched, they won't blame MS, they'll blame OO and say it not good enough.
The only use I can see for this is in conjunction with a similar application that lists everything installed, where this application is used to eliminate programs from the list of potential licensing problems.
To see what use it is it may be better to see more about it. It can be used to " acquire, deploy, and manage multiple open source applications for use within their Enterprise infrastructure. The open source applications available through the platform have the advantage of both being certified by the vendor (more below), as well as bearing IP infringement indemnification from the vendor (provided the customer purchases technical support for the selected open source app from the vendor)."
Nixon wasn't actually impeached, he resigned from office before he was impeached. Had he not resigned he would of been impeached, which is exactly what impeachment is there for, to remove someone from office.
I do not think that most of the people cheerleading for FOSS appreciate this. They just know that $DISTRO is neat, so obviously everyone who doesn't agree that it's perfect for a 10,000 seat enterprise network must be an "idiot." Le sigh!
That brings up a concept that's lacking with most people, a person needs to decide on a task then get an appropriate tool to compleat it. In some cases, as regards software, it may be a commercial closed source package like Windows (though I can't really think of a single use for Windows which does not have a better choice), OSX, or Photoshop; or a FOSS package like CinePaint or Linux.
OSS is less secure because everyone can see the source code, it's less reliable because you don't have a multi-billion dollar vendor backing you when things go wrong.
Because everybody can see the source, and submit bug fixes, it's more secure and reliable not less.
2) It can be used to "root out" those 'evil' open source applications [bad].
Unfortunately I agree that option 2 is most likely as it is really used to search for applications and not code. Why you would want to search for explicitly open source, vs. just knowing what is on a corporate PC doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Ya know that's what I first though too. When I tried to rtfa linked to, I got a server not found err. News Googling, I got this, OpenLogic Enterprise / Discovery. It can "acquire, deploy, and manage multiple open source applications for use within their Enterprise infrastructure. The open source applications available through the platform have the advantage of both being certified by the vendor (more below), as well as bearing IP infringement indemnification from the vendor (provided the customer purchases technical support for the selected open source app from the vendor)."
It seems it may useful to distribute FOSS throughout an enterprise, therefore helping FOSS.
Someone please respond to this post with a verifiable example of a terrorist action that was stopped by using provisions of the Patriot act. So far I have only seen it being used to lock up Americans doing stuff totally unrelated to terrorist activities and infringe on peoples privacy and liberty.
You'll never hear the FBI, or this admin, give a single example of a terrorist attcks that was thwarted by intel that could only of been gotten by the PATROIT Act. The Act was not needed!
I'm so fed up with US politicians and officials covering their asses with "anonymous" comments, and the press core lapping it up.
So, you want to get rid of anonymous sources then? Perhaps you didn't live through Watergate which eventually led to Nixon's impeachment. "Follow the money" said one source to a newspaper reporter.
They are literally endangering the lives of all of us. By abusing the PATRIOT Act, they are risking having it taken away from those agents who would use it legally to prevent some sort of terrorist attack from happening again.
I hope it, the PATRIOT Act, is gotten rid of. It's not needed. And I was against it to begin with as well as against renewing it. They already had all the power needed to reduce the risk of terrorist attackes. Yes, I said "reduce the risk", as the risk can't be eliminated even in a police state run by a military dictator.
So you reduce the taxation rate but now you have all these fees when you want to drive, send your kids to school, etc.
First, schools. Schools are and should be paid for with property taxes not income tax. And the school system should remain in the control of those who live in the school system whether it be city, county, or whatever. As for driving, you're already paying a tax to drive, didn't you know there already is a tax on fuel? This tax should pay for all road building and maintainance with the money used only for that. Another tax is on license plates. If anything this should only pay to make sure vehicles on public roads are safe.
Diversity is one reason I'd like to see differents OSes, and not just Windows, being used. The more diverse the OSes that are used to less likelihood that malware could bring everything down. Each OS has it's own positives and negatives, though the only positive I can think of for Windows is that it's the dominate OS and comes preinstalled on most computers.
If we could only get the manufacturers to support thier hardware under linux as well as windows we could have a serious shot at getting linux on a lot more desktops.
Yea, I've been looking for a dl dvd drive for my linux box but I haven't been able to find one I know will work. And I don't have the knowledge or expertize to work to get one working right. I've searched my distro's website as well as Linux Questions and Google but haven't been able to find any step by step instructions. Same with books.
You know, what I don't understand. Is in a country like China. Where they don't seem to care much about other countries IP.
China wants to be a member of the WTO and one requirement of the WTO is IP enforcement. If China didn't enforce other countries' IP it couldn't be admitted to the WTO.
The idea is that the cost is in the development, not the distribution.
That is true, but my question is, how can this succeed in the long term?
At some point in the future, computer users in the developing world will far outnumber computer users in developed nations. Eventually, the majority of MS's user base will be running cut-rate versions of Windows. Whether MS sells them for $3, $10, or $20, they will still be far below the normal retail price in the US.
Ah, it's like they'll get users addicted to Windows and Office then when they are making more money but can't afford to switch software MS will jack up the prices. Sell low so you can wipe out your competition or make too expensive to change then raise prices.
As for the long term, they don't care. Like all too many corporations today it all about this quarter, year, and the next one or two. "Long term" is maybe, just maybe 5 years.
convinced the government to enact monopolistic laws like requiring "legal" (ie Microsoft) software to be loaded onto each new machine produced.
Now I've rtfa more than once and I didn't read anywhere in it where it said the required software had to be from MS. I don't like MS but I don't think the way to fight it is by spreading stuff that's not true. If you have a link that says the law requires MS software can you provide?
I would LOVE to import 7 dollar Windows into North America, and sell them for 20 dollars. That would certainly level the playing field -- we are just talking globalization, right?
And freetrade would allow you to do that. It'd even allow to buy 1 Windows disk, bring it in the US then copy and sell the copies.
By giving away software to students, they not only help insure that the student will buy a MS based machine for school, but also that corporations will have cheap labor to operate the Windows machine
I think this is where Apple really screwed up. Way back in the middle ages Apple sold Macs to those in education, whether facilty and staff or to students 50% off. Then when MS came out with Windows Apple reduced the education discounts. The last tyme I checked the discount was barely 10%. If they were to raise the discount again they'd probably find they'd sell more Macs to students and when those student went into the work force they'd want Macs at work.
Look at the US. Look at the reduction in status and opportunity for most of the middle classes, compared with the 50s and 60s.
In the late 50s my father bought his first house on one and a half times his salary.
Opportunity is still there to be had in the USA for many people. My sisters and I come from the low income class. My older sister is a nurse and now is part of the middle class. My younger sister is a CPA and along with friends runs her own accounting business. She also owns a few rental properties. Though I'm not sure I think she's high income now. They both got that way via hard work and it's possible for most people to do the same if they work hard.
Now, I said "most people", it doesn't work out for everyone one matter how hard they work. Like me, like my sisters I went to college too, majoring in Computer Engineering. We were the first generation in our family to go to college. However while I was attending college I suffered a serious accident. One day after my classes I was riding my bike when a moving van hit me. I survived a Traumatic Brain Injury, TBI, which ended my dream of being a Computer Engineer. If it weren't the accident I'd be one now.
In those days there were few gadgets, but look at those gadgets now. They are basically small and cheap ways of delivering cheap content at high prices; iPods, mobile phones.
That's not the fault of capitalism, it is totally caused by consumerism.
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BS, they spied on Martin Luther King Jr. As director of the FBI, J Edgar Hoover kept secret files on a lot of people from equal right activists to peace activitists.
Uh, right. That was before I was born. I'm talking about anti-terror stuff since 2001. I'm sure the FBI did some questionable stuff during WWI looking for Kaisers as well, but we should move beyond that.
I lived through it and what happened once will happen again. Hell, it's happening now, that's what tfa is all about. And just like the Johnson admin lied about Golf of Tonkin incindent in order to have the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution passed by congress in 1964, this admin lied about Iraq having WMDs and ties to al Quada. I never have and never will trust government, as the old saying goes "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Falconapple paid for the primary developer to give up his rights to the code and sell it to Apple Computer.
How can you say it was a hostile takeover when the primary developer willingly sold it? It's only hostile when the "owner" DOES NOT want to sell.
FalconThey're selling indemnification insurance. Open Logic is a capitalist enterprise, not some FOSS charity. They're in the business of monetizing FUD.
Looking at their list of partners I doubt their spreading FUD.
Falconor does the whole document fail to load?
I haven't done it myself so I don't know whether it's the docs or the macros, however I've heard from others that they've had problems though not what the problem is.
Falconthe FBI does not want to spy on you if you are not planning a terrorist act.
BS, they spied on Martin Luther King Jr. As director of the FBI, J Edgar Hoover kept secret files on a lot of people from equal right activists to peace activitists.
Falconinstall OpenOffice on their Windows machine and let them get used to that. It's really just as easy to use as MS Office, IMO
That's one way, a good one at that, to get people to switch However it doesn't work very well switching to OpenOffice from MS Office. OO doesn't handle everything Office can, like some macros. Until OO gets better you can find yourself up shit creek when someone sends you an Office document. When this happens to someone who just switched, they won't blame MS, they'll blame OO and say it not good enough.
FalconThe only use I can see for this is in conjunction with a similar application that lists everything installed, where this application is used to eliminate programs from the list of potential licensing problems.
To see what use it is it may be better to see more about it. It can be used to " acquire, deploy, and manage multiple open source applications for use within their Enterprise infrastructure. The open source applications available through the platform have the advantage of both being certified by the vendor (more below), as well as bearing IP infringement indemnification from the vendor (provided the customer purchases technical support for the selected open source app from the vendor)."
FalconNixon wasn't actually impeached, he resigned from office before he was impeached. Had he not resigned he would of been impeached, which is exactly what impeachment is there for, to remove someone from office.
FalconI do not think that most of the people cheerleading for FOSS appreciate this. They just know that $DISTRO is neat, so obviously everyone who doesn't agree that it's perfect for a 10,000 seat enterprise network must be an "idiot." Le sigh!
That brings up a concept that's lacking with most people, a person needs to decide on a task then get an appropriate tool to compleat it. In some cases, as regards software, it may be a commercial closed source package like Windows (though I can't really think of a single use for Windows which does not have a better choice), OSX, or Photoshop; or a FOSS package like CinePaint or Linux.
FalconWho are these companies who don't allow open-source software? Even Microsoft makes extensive use of GPL software.
Probably ones rapidly going out of business.
Like Gates' Dreamworks SKG and IBM?
FalconWho are these companies who don't allow open-source software? Even Microsoft makes extensive use of GPL software.
Nor is Microsoft the only business of Bill Gates that uses FOSS. His Dreamworks SKG, the "G" is "Gates", uses Linux and Cinepaint.
FalconOSS is less secure because everyone can see the source code, it's less reliable because you don't have a multi-billion dollar vendor backing you when things go wrong.
Because everybody can see the source, and submit bug fixes, it's more secure and reliable not less.
Falcon2) It can be used to "root out" those 'evil' open source applications [bad].
Unfortunately I agree that option 2 is most likely as it is really used to search for applications and not code. Why you would want to search for explicitly open source, vs. just knowing what is on a corporate PC doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Ya know that's what I first though too. When I tried to rtfa linked to, I got a server not found err. News Googling, I got this, OpenLogic Enterprise / Discovery. It can "acquire, deploy, and manage multiple open source applications for use within their Enterprise infrastructure. The open source applications available through the platform have the advantage of both being certified by the vendor (more below), as well as bearing IP infringement indemnification from the vendor (provided the customer purchases technical support for the selected open source app from the vendor)."
It seems it may useful to distribute FOSS throughout an enterprise, therefore helping FOSS.
FalconSomeone please respond to this post with a verifiable example of a terrorist action that was stopped by using provisions of the Patriot act. So far I have only seen it being used to lock up Americans doing stuff totally unrelated to terrorist activities and infringe on peoples privacy and liberty.
You'll never hear the FBI, or this admin, give a single example of a terrorist attcks that was thwarted by intel that could only of been gotten by the PATROIT Act. The Act was not needed!
FalconI'm so fed up with US politicians and officials covering their asses with "anonymous" comments, and the press core lapping it up.
So, you want to get rid of anonymous sources then? Perhaps you didn't live through Watergate which eventually led to Nixon's impeachment. "Follow the money" said one source to a newspaper reporter.
FalconThey are literally endangering the lives of all of us. By abusing the PATRIOT Act, they are risking having it taken away from those agents who would use it legally to prevent some sort of terrorist attack from happening again.
I hope it, the PATRIOT Act, is gotten rid of. It's not needed. And I was against it to begin with as well as against renewing it. They already had all the power needed to reduce the risk of terrorist attackes. Yes, I said "reduce the risk", as the risk can't be eliminated even in a police state run by a military dictator.
FalconSo you reduce the taxation rate but now you have all these fees when you want to drive, send your kids to school, etc.
First, schools. Schools are and should be paid for with property taxes not income tax. And the school system should remain in the control of those who live in the school system whether it be city, county, or whatever. As for driving, you're already paying a tax to drive, didn't you know there already is a tax on fuel? This tax should pay for all road building and maintainance with the money used only for that. Another tax is on license plates. If anything this should only pay to make sure vehicles on public roads are safe.
FalconDiversity is one reason I'd like to see differents OSes, and not just Windows, being used. The more diverse the OSes that are used to less likelihood that malware could bring everything down. Each OS has it's own positives and negatives, though the only positive I can think of for Windows is that it's the dominate OS and comes preinstalled on most computers.
FalconIf we could only get the manufacturers to support thier hardware under linux as well as windows we could have a serious shot at getting linux on a lot more desktops.
Yea, I've been looking for a dl dvd drive for my linux box but I haven't been able to find one I know will work. And I don't have the knowledge or expertize to work to get one working right. I've searched my distro's website as well as Linux Questions and Google but haven't been able to find any step by step instructions. Same with books.
FalconYou know, what I don't understand. Is in a country like China. Where they don't seem to care much about other countries IP.
China wants to be a member of the WTO and one requirement of the WTO is IP enforcement. If China didn't enforce other countries' IP it couldn't be admitted to the WTO.
FalconThe idea is that the cost is in the development, not the distribution.
That is true, but my question is, how can this succeed in the long term?
At some point in the future, computer users in the developing world will far outnumber computer users in developed nations. Eventually, the majority of MS's user base will be running cut-rate versions of Windows. Whether MS sells them for $3, $10, or $20, they will still be far below the normal retail price in the US.
Ah, it's like they'll get users addicted to Windows and Office then when they are making more money but can't afford to switch software MS will jack up the prices. Sell low so you can wipe out your competition or make too expensive to change then raise prices.
As for the long term, they don't care. Like all too many corporations today it all about this quarter, year, and the next one or two. "Long term" is maybe, just maybe 5 years.
Falconconvinced the government to enact monopolistic laws like requiring "legal" (ie Microsoft) software to be loaded onto each new machine produced.
Now I've rtfa more than once and I didn't read anywhere in it where it said the required software had to be from MS. I don't like MS but I don't think the way to fight it is by spreading stuff that's not true. If you have a link that says the law requires MS software can you provide?
FalconI would LOVE to import 7 dollar Windows into North America, and sell them for 20 dollars. That would certainly level the playing field -- we are just talking globalization, right?
And freetrade would allow you to do that. It'd even allow to buy 1 Windows disk, bring it in the US then copy and sell the copies.
FalconBy giving away software to students, they not only help insure that the student will buy a MS based machine for school, but also that corporations will have cheap labor to operate the Windows machine
I think this is where Apple really screwed up. Way back in the middle ages Apple sold Macs to those in education, whether facilty and staff or to students 50% off. Then when MS came out with Windows Apple reduced the education discounts. The last tyme I checked the discount was barely 10%. If they were to raise the discount again they'd probably find they'd sell more Macs to students and when those student went into the work force they'd want Macs at work.
FalconLook at the US. Look at the reduction in status and opportunity for most of the middle classes, compared with the 50s and 60s.
In the late 50s my father bought his first house on one and a half times his salary.
Opportunity is still there to be had in the USA for many people. My sisters and I come from the low income class. My older sister is a nurse and now is part of the middle class. My younger sister is a CPA and along with friends runs her own accounting business. She also owns a few rental properties. Though I'm not sure I think she's high income now. They both got that way via hard work and it's possible for most people to do the same if they work hard.
Now, I said "most people", it doesn't work out for everyone one matter how hard they work. Like me, like my sisters I went to college too, majoring in Computer Engineering. We were the first generation in our family to go to college. However while I was attending college I suffered a serious accident. One day after my classes I was riding my bike when a moving van hit me. I survived a Traumatic Brain Injury, TBI, which ended my dream of being a Computer Engineer. If it weren't the accident I'd be one now.
In those days there were few gadgets, but look at those gadgets now. They are basically small and cheap ways of delivering cheap content at high prices; iPods, mobile phones.
That's not the fault of capitalism, it is totally caused by consumerism.
Falcon