Maybe you just can't hear the noise? I think it's even higher than the high-pitched TV whine and most people can't hear that.
My hearing isn't like it used to be but I am still sensitive to high pitched, high frequency, sounds. I used to drive audio techs crazy when I had my hearin tested, I'd hear frenquencies the techs said I shouldn't hear. I'd ask "well if I'm not supposed to hear them why are they included in the test?" I never did get an answer. Fact is is that since I was little and got an ear infection, which caused my ears to bleed, my ears have been sensitive to high frequency noises.
Or you could just tell him which type of CFLs you find the best, so he doesn't have to do the same experimentation that you did
However what works for him may not work for someone else. For instance let's take the degrees K some bulbs are rated for, I've had people say anything thing under 7000 degrees k is too cold, well I prefer my lights cooler or bluish, and don't like too warm a colour or too reddish.
Well, that would be funny, given that most flourescent tubes have better color fidelity and, at least for white light, any LED lamps you can buy for a reasonable amount of money are going to be about as efficent as an incandescent.
I suppose this depends one what the person calls "a reasonable price Places like TheLEDLight.com has LEDs for $20 that use 10% of the power of incandscent lights and last for 10 years. And like CFL prices, I bought my first one for about $20, price for LEDs will come down. That $20 I spent can now buy about 10 CFLs, a few months ago I paid less than $4 for a pack with two bulbs. Having said that, the problem with LED lights is that they are not good for general area lighting, currently they are only good for point or spot lighting.
I keep buying compact flourescents in the hopes that they'll work out for me, but the darned things seem to have a half-life of about half a year. They get dimmer and dimmer until we end up switching back to incandescents so that we stop bumping into furniture.
I've been using CFLs for more than 15 years and in that tyme I've only had to replace three of them because they went bad.
Or maybe there's something else wrong that I just haven't diagnosed yet, or I haven't found *the* magical brand (I've tried a number of different ones).
Maybe that's your problem, something else. Maybe it's the wiring, I really don't know, however I've never had problems with CFLs, well there is one problem. Some bulbs I got took awhile before they were fully lit.
Does anyone make a fluorescent bulb that doesn't make that high pitched noise?
I've got 10 cfls and none of them make noise.
There's also the issue of dimmer switches. Do they make fluorescents that can be dimmed? How can I dim the lights to create a romantic atmosphere if doing so causes the light to burn out?
There are some CFLs you can use with dimmers though you may have to look for them.
I live in California. Just yesterday I dropped off a bunch of dead fluorescent tubes at my local recycling center. They had a special bin for them. No charge. Easy.
I think where you live is ahead of the tymes then. Unless it's new where I live doesn't have a recycling program for CFLs though I wish it did. I've been using CFLs for more than 15 years, and in that tyme I've only needed to replace three CFLs, I have 12 sockets where I live now.
So that means all the energy is now useful... So given efficiency is useful work out / work in then for the above usage (which is common) incandescant bulbs provide 100% efficiency. Given the cost to produce and the polutants in the so called high efficiency bulbs is it really a good idea to switch?
It make absolute sense when you have the ac on longer than the heat is on. As for house, building, heating needs I'd like to see an RIO, Return on Investment, or lifecycle analysis as I don't beleive the heat from incandscent bulbs is as efficient as other methods of heating.
besides, all kids have to have access to a source of mercury to play with. if folks were serious about that (and all fluorescents and neon sign lighting has mercury,)
Yes, CLFs have mercury but then the mercury they contain is less than the mercury emitted from coal power plants that produces the electricity needed to light incandescent lights. Unfortunately they are point sources of mercury and the bulbs need to be properly disposed of, and how many places have such programs setup? I bet not many. If CA is going to require CFLs then maybe they can go another step and require sellers to collect used CFLs as well, and setup a proper disposal system. This would be a bureaucrat's dream come true, think of all the paper they could require.
they'd be legislating LED lightbulbs into use. which DO work in the cold.
While LED lights use only a tenth the power needs of incandescent light bulbs, they are only good for point or spot lighting, LEDs aren't good for area lighting as of yet, whihc most lights are used for. Of course more research into them may solve this problem.
o your "I am sick and tired of Windows constantly crashing and having to replace hardware." comment is based on both a completely different OS (Windows 9x/ME are nothing to do with NT/2000/XP/Vista), and one which is over a decade old (NT 4)!
If you read my post you would of read how the first tyme I used XP it crashed. You would of also read where I said NT4 was the best, er gave me the least trouble, of the Windows OSes I have used. While the first tyme I used XP it crashed, NT 4 never crashed on me. Also I didn't say I had to replace hardware because of Windows, the hardware I have had to replace I replaced because the hardware failed, not because of Windows. I have had the motherboard and hdd die on two PCs I bought brand new within the first year. However I have also bought two Macs that were used that lasted years for me. The first tyme I had hardware problems with a Mac was when the floppy drive died in 2000. It was a Mac SE 30 I got used in 1992, the only trouble before then I had with it is that because it was an all in one computer it wasn't really expandable, upgradable. The second one is a PowerMac 7300/200 I got used in 2000, and it lasted me until a year ago when it refused to bootup.
Really, Windows 2000 onwards is much more stable, and no comparison to Windows ME. If you want to avoid activation, then I'd recommend getting hold of Windows 2000 (which I use). Activation is a reason to avoid Windows and go for other OSs such as Linux, but don't be led into thinking that experience of ME has anything to do with how XP/Vista behave.
As I said before and repeated above the first tyme I used XP it crashed, er didn't fully bootup before freezing, so WinME isn't the only Windows that has crashed no me. As for Win2000, I did think about getting it but why should I? The PC I'm using now barely meets the hardware requirements for it. For it to be really usable I'd have to upgrade the hardware, however for the cost of upgrading the components I could just get a new PC. New PCs don't come with Win2000 though.
Yes, but unlike other low-lifes, SCO does have some IP (NO I'm not talking about Linux) and other non-lawsuit related revenue sources that could make it a good buy.
What IP is that? The Unix IP is owned by Novell, SCO just has the right to sale it however they haven't been giving Novell the money from sales.
IBM could make arrangements with some of the larger private (non-employee) stock holders to buy the stock at a higher price so the upper management doesn't reap the rewards of a buy out. Once they get 51% they can dissolve the company and absorb the assets.
Why should IBM buy SCO? There's no business or financial reason to buy SCO, especially when IBM wins their counter lawsuit.
Isn't SCOs stock price/equity low enough to where IBM could just buy them outright?
Or at least 51%.
Why would anyone want to buyout SCO? That's all this lawsuit was about, their business model wasn't working so they decided to be bought out by a big company. They should go down in flames, and the execs like Darl taken to the cleaners.
Ah, an SCAer? I didn't think anyone else on/. were interested. Though I used to go years ago I'm not a member. I have been thinking of joining the local kingdom, The Kingdom of Northshield.
I don't have XP either, because it requires activation. Also the first tyme I used XP, it was preinstalled on a new Dell, it froze while booting up. I was taking a class in Java and the college had just got a bunch of new Dells. On the first day of class I sat down and started booting the PC, after a few minutes it still hadn't finished booting up, The three finger salute didn't do anything so I ended up pushing and holding the power button then rebooted. The PC I'm typing this on has WinME, and another PC I have has NT 4.0 Workstation which I have the least trouble with of all the Windows OSes I've used.
What exactly are you referring to? I mean, I've used Macs for quite a while, and in terms of stuff I can't run, it boils down to
Stuff I don't need - like CAD, animation, or other professional programs. Not used by 99% of the population.
Actually CAD does exist for Macs. Though I don't know if Autodesk offers a current version the first tyme I saw Autocad it was running on a Mac. Architosh is a forum for Mac users of CAD.
"Refund? The principle of the thing is worth more than the money, and for most people, neither is that important to them."
The cost, to Microsoft, of the Refund is not just a lost sale. It's also the time and money that went into licensing and de-licensing that copy, and returning the money. It's not cheap for them.
Ah but it's not MS you get the refund from, you're supposed to get the refund from the OEM. The firsrt tyme you start up Windows it goies through the legal thou shalt nots then says if you disagree then contact the pc manufacturer. Then unless MS has changed it's licensing OEMs have to pay a license to MS for every PC they sale in order to get a discount on licenses.
All else being equal, go for the Vista machine over the Mac. MS lives and dies by accommodating power users; Mac lives and dies by making an elegant universal interface. Unless you already know Mac, or really love Unix, you'll get a better experience as a windows power user with vista.
Unlike you I plan on switching to Mac for my next computer. I am sick and tired of Windows constantly crashing and having to replace hardware. Now Vista may be more stable but I don't want to have to deal with Activation or WGA. As long as I legally buy an OS nobody should be able to require me to activate it continously or spy on me. Because of MS's policies I will not buy another MS OS if I can avoid it, and right now I see no need for any. And no MS doesn't live or die by giving "customers" what they want, they live because they have a stranglehold on OEMs and very few will sale a PC with a competing OS or without one..
I have been planning a switch to Linux for about two years and Vista is the prefect opportunity to commit. In fact, Microsoft has practically made it mandatory.
I've been an exclusive Windows user the past few years, however because of MS I've decided to switch. A few months ago I got a desktop, well tower really, PC with Linux preinstalled. I also want to get a new laptop and I decided to get a Macbook Pro for it.
... that all the free online resources offer? Is it merely organized data? Is it the examples? I find all of that readily available for many web technologies and even more so for PHP and CSS. Numerous sites exist that cover everything in several ways too. Is this book simply a consolidation of information that is otherwise free via a google search?
Some of us prefer hardcopy to read and work through or for reference. I am one, if I read too much on a monitor I get sore eyes and headaches. This doesn't happen when I read books. It's also easier for me to have a book when I try something than when I have to switch between the app I'm using and a browser.
Just because something is online doesn't mean it's better.
Too many people attempt astrophotography, find it's far harder than it looks, and give up in frustration. Please don't be one of those people.
...laura
Thanks for the warning, I'll try not to take it as a challenge. Now that you mention it, I couldn't point out and identify any stars now other than the North Star. I used to know some, but not now. Then again growing up I was in a model rocktry club. I'd also go out at night and lay on the ground staring at the stars. Occassionally I'd get to see a rocket launch, back then I lived maybe an hour from the Capes, Cape Canaveral and Cape Kennedy.
It's helpful if you can do your own darkroom work.
I have worked in darkrooms developing film and prints, however it's been too long since I have. There's a photographer association in the area, IFP Minneasota, I've been thinking of joining. It has classes and a darkroom I would be able to use after taking a darkroom orientation, which I'd need to take. Eventually I'd like to build and setup a darkroom in my basement
You mentioned medium format, and used medium format gear is cheap nowadays
. If I get one, I'll definitely need to take a class at IFP Minneasota to learn to use it, all I've ever used are 35 mm slrs. I'd also like to get a dslr and take a class for it as well, however for now at least I'll stick to film.
I liken the Pentax 67 to photography's answer to a Humvee - it's big, heavy, black, ugly and noisy, but it gets the job done, every time.
It's funny but while I like large laptops, big screen real estate, I'd rather have smaller camera bodies. I'd like to take my camera with me when I go hiking, and be able to take hand held photos. Another thing I'd like to do is get a good telescope with a camera mount so I can photo the stars.
I don't think so. The position that it's wrong to strike children is (I hope we can agree) not nonsense.
No, I obviously disagree. I believe that in some circumstances spanking is appropriate, maybe not many but in some it is. Therefore to say it's wrong is nonsense.
No Netherlands involved. The "Pennsylvania Dutch" are German descent. As the article in wikipedia you pointed to notes. It is incorrect corruption in the of the German word for "German" which is "Deutsch". So really no Dutch in volved. I knew that PA state history class would finally pay off!
Look at my reply to the person who replied to my post before you., yes I switched German and Dutch around.
You want better data? Get a better camera. Ditch that point-and-shoot for a DSLR, or even (gasp!) a film camera. My 50 year old Crown Graphic [graflex.org] takes pictures that the very best DSLRs can only dream about.
A view camera? What size is the film? I've been thinking of getting a 645 medium format with both film and digital backs. I think this size would be good for both large landscapes and photojournalism, I want to do both.
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Maybe you just can't hear the noise? I think it's even higher than the high-pitched TV whine and most people can't hear that.
My hearing isn't like it used to be but I am still sensitive to high pitched, high frequency, sounds. I used to drive audio techs crazy when I had my hearin tested, I'd hear frenquencies the techs said I shouldn't hear. I'd ask "well if I'm not supposed to hear them why are they included in the test?" I never did get an answer. Fact is is that since I was little and got an ear infection, which caused my ears to bleed, my ears have been sensitive to high frequency noises.
FalconOr you could just tell him which type of CFLs you find the best, so he doesn't have to do the same experimentation that you did
However what works for him may not work for someone else. For instance let's take the degrees K some bulbs are rated for, I've had people say anything thing under 7000 degrees k is too cold, well I prefer my lights cooler or bluish, and don't like too warm a colour or too reddish.
FalconWell, that would be funny, given that most flourescent tubes have better color fidelity and, at least for white light, any LED lamps you can buy for a reasonable amount of money are going to be about as efficent as an incandescent.
I suppose this depends one what the person calls "a reasonable price Places like TheLEDLight.com has LEDs for $20 that use 10% of the power of incandscent lights and last for 10 years. And like CFL prices, I bought my first one for about $20, price for LEDs will come down. That $20 I spent can now buy about 10 CFLs, a few months ago I paid less than $4 for a pack with two bulbs. Having said that, the problem with LED lights is that they are not good for general area lighting, currently they are only good for point or spot lighting.
FalconI keep buying compact flourescents in the hopes that they'll work out for me, but the darned things seem to have a half-life of about half a year. They get dimmer and dimmer until we end up switching back to incandescents so that we stop bumping into furniture.
I've been using CFLs for more than 15 years and in that tyme I've only had to replace three of them because they went bad.
Or maybe there's something else wrong that I just haven't diagnosed yet, or I haven't found *the* magical brand (I've tried a number of different ones).
Maybe that's your problem, something else. Maybe it's the wiring, I really don't know, however I've never had problems with CFLs, well there is one problem. Some bulbs I got took awhile before they were fully lit.
FalconDoes anyone make a fluorescent bulb that doesn't make that high pitched noise?
I've got 10 cfls and none of them make noise.
There's also the issue of dimmer switches. Do they make fluorescents that can be dimmed? How can I dim the lights to create a romantic atmosphere if doing so causes the light to burn out?
There are some CFLs you can use with dimmers though you may have to look for them.
FalconI live in California. Just yesterday I dropped off a bunch of dead fluorescent tubes at my local recycling center. They had a special bin for them. No charge. Easy.
I think where you live is ahead of the tymes then. Unless it's new where I live doesn't have a recycling program for CFLs though I wish it did. I've been using CFLs for more than 15 years, and in that tyme I've only needed to replace three CFLs, I have 12 sockets where I live now.
FalconSo that means all the energy is now useful... So given efficiency is useful work out / work in then for the above usage (which is common) incandescant bulbs provide 100% efficiency. Given the cost to produce and the polutants in the so called high efficiency bulbs is it really a good idea to switch?
It make absolute sense when you have the ac on longer than the heat is on. As for house, building, heating needs I'd like to see an RIO, Return on Investment, or lifecycle analysis as I don't beleive the heat from incandscent bulbs is as efficient as other methods of heating.
Falconbesides, all kids have to have access to a source of mercury to play with. if folks were serious about that (and all fluorescents and neon sign lighting has mercury,)
Yes, CLFs have mercury but then the mercury they contain is less than the mercury emitted from coal power plants that produces the electricity needed to light incandescent lights. Unfortunately they are point sources of mercury and the bulbs need to be properly disposed of, and how many places have such programs setup? I bet not many. If CA is going to require CFLs then maybe they can go another step and require sellers to collect used CFLs as well, and setup a proper disposal system. This would be a bureaucrat's dream come true, think of all the paper they could require.
they'd be legislating LED lightbulbs into use. which DO work in the cold.
While LED lights use only a tenth the power needs of incandescent light bulbs, they are only good for point or spot lighting, LEDs aren't good for area lighting as of yet, whihc most lights are used for. Of course more research into them may solve this problem.
Falcono your "I am sick and tired of Windows constantly crashing and having to replace hardware." comment is based on both a completely different OS (Windows 9x/ME are nothing to do with NT/2000/XP/Vista), and one which is over a decade old (NT 4)!
If you read my post you would of read how the first tyme I used XP it crashed. You would of also read where I said NT4 was the best, er gave me the least trouble, of the Windows OSes I have used. While the first tyme I used XP it crashed, NT 4 never crashed on me. Also I didn't say I had to replace hardware because of Windows, the hardware I have had to replace I replaced because the hardware failed, not because of Windows. I have had the motherboard and hdd die on two PCs I bought brand new within the first year. However I have also bought two Macs that were used that lasted years for me. The first tyme I had hardware problems with a Mac was when the floppy drive died in 2000. It was a Mac SE 30 I got used in 1992, the only trouble before then I had with it is that because it was an all in one computer it wasn't really expandable, upgradable. The second one is a PowerMac 7300/200 I got used in 2000, and it lasted me until a year ago when it refused to bootup.
Really, Windows 2000 onwards is much more stable, and no comparison to Windows ME. If you want to avoid activation, then I'd recommend getting hold of Windows 2000 (which I use). Activation is a reason to avoid Windows and go for other OSs such as Linux, but don't be led into thinking that experience of ME has anything to do with how XP/Vista behave.
As I said before and repeated above the first tyme I used XP it crashed, er didn't fully bootup before freezing, so WinME isn't the only Windows that has crashed no me. As for Win2000, I did think about getting it but why should I? The PC I'm using now barely meets the hardware requirements for it. For it to be really usable I'd have to upgrade the hardware, however for the cost of upgrading the components I could just get a new PC. New PCs don't come with Win2000 though.
FalconYes, but unlike other low-lifes, SCO does have some IP (NO I'm not talking about Linux) and other non-lawsuit related revenue sources that could make it a good buy.
What IP is that? The Unix IP is owned by Novell, SCO just has the right to sale it however they haven't been giving Novell the money from sales.
IBM could make arrangements with some of the larger private (non-employee) stock holders to buy the stock at a higher price so the upper management doesn't reap the rewards of a buy out. Once they get 51% they can dissolve the company and absorb the assets.
Why should IBM buy SCO? There's no business or financial reason to buy SCO, especially when IBM wins their counter lawsuit.
FalconIsn't SCOs stock price/equity low enough to where IBM could just buy them outright?
Or at least 51%.
Why would anyone want to buyout SCO? That's all this lawsuit was about, their business model wasn't working so they decided to be bought out by a big company. They should go down in flames, and the execs like Darl taken to the cleaners.
FalconAh, an SCAer? I didn't think anyone else on /. were interested. Though I used to go years ago I'm not a member. I have been thinking of joining the local kingdom, The Kingdom of Northshield.
FalconOr has it become worse in some way?
I don't have XP either, because it requires activation. Also the first tyme I used XP, it was preinstalled on a new Dell, it froze while booting up. I was taking a class in Java and the college had just got a bunch of new Dells. On the first day of class I sat down and started booting the PC, after a few minutes it still hadn't finished booting up, The three finger salute didn't do anything so I ended up pushing and holding the power button then rebooted. The PC I'm typing this on has WinME, and another PC I have has NT 4.0 Workstation which I have the least trouble with of all the Windows OSes I've used.
FalconWhat exactly are you referring to? I mean, I've used Macs for quite a while, and in terms of stuff I can't run, it boils down to
Stuff I don't need - like CAD, animation, or other professional programs. Not used by 99% of the population.
Actually CAD does exist for Macs. Though I don't know if Autodesk offers a current version the first tyme I saw Autocad it was running on a Mac. Architosh is a forum for Mac users of CAD.
Falcon"Refund? The principle of the thing is worth more than the money, and for most people, neither is that important to them."
The cost, to Microsoft, of the Refund is not just a lost sale. It's also the time and money that went into licensing and de-licensing that copy, and returning the money. It's not cheap for them.
Ah but it's not MS you get the refund from, you're supposed to get the refund from the OEM. The firsrt tyme you start up Windows it goies through the legal thou shalt nots then says if you disagree then contact the pc manufacturer. Then unless MS has changed it's licensing OEMs have to pay a license to MS for every PC they sale in order to get a discount on licenses.
FalconAll else being equal, go for the Vista machine over the Mac. MS lives and dies by accommodating power users; Mac lives and dies by making an elegant universal interface. Unless you already know Mac, or really love Unix, you'll get a better experience as a windows power user with vista.
Unlike you I plan on switching to Mac for my next computer. I am sick and tired of Windows constantly crashing and having to replace hardware. Now Vista may be more stable but I don't want to have to deal with Activation or WGA. As long as I legally buy an OS nobody should be able to require me to activate it continously or spy on me. Because of MS's policies I will not buy another MS OS if I can avoid it, and right now I see no need for any. And no MS doesn't live or die by giving "customers" what they want, they live because they have a stranglehold on OEMs and very few will sale a PC with a competing OS or without one..
FalconI have been planning a switch to Linux for about two years and Vista is the prefect opportunity to commit. In fact, Microsoft has practically made it mandatory.
I've been an exclusive Windows user the past few years, however because of MS I've decided to switch. A few months ago I got a desktop, well tower really, PC with Linux preinstalled. I also want to get a new laptop and I decided to get a Macbook Pro for it.
Falcon... that all the free online resources offer? Is it merely organized data? Is it the examples? I find all of that readily available for many web technologies and even more so for PHP and CSS. Numerous sites exist that cover everything in several ways too. Is this book simply a consolidation of information that is otherwise free via a google search?
Some of us prefer hardcopy to read and work through or for reference. I am one, if I read too much on a monitor I get sore eyes and headaches. This doesn't happen when I read books. It's also easier for me to have a book when I try something than when I have to switch between the app I'm using and a browser.
Just because something is online doesn't mean it's better.
FalconToo many people attempt astrophotography, find it's far harder than it looks, and give up in frustration. Please don't be one of those people.
...laura
Thanks for the warning, I'll try not to take it as a challenge. Now that you mention it, I couldn't point out and identify any stars now other than the North Star. I used to know some, but not now. Then again growing up I was in a model rocktry club. I'd also go out at night and lay on the ground staring at the stars. Occassionally I'd get to see a rocket launch, back then I lived maybe an hour from the Capes, Cape Canaveral and Cape Kennedy.
FalconIt's helpful if you can do your own darkroom work.
I have worked in darkrooms developing film and prints, however it's been too long since I have. There's a photographer association in the area, IFP Minneasota, I've been thinking of joining. It has classes and a darkroom I would be able to use after taking a darkroom orientation, which I'd need to take. Eventually I'd like to build and setup a darkroom in my basement
You mentioned medium format, and used medium format gear is cheap nowadays
I've looked at some used medum format gear sold by a local chain of photography shoppes, National Camera Exchange, or NatCam
. If I get one, I'll definitely need to take a class at IFP Minneasota to learn to use it, all I've ever used are 35 mm slrs. I'd also like to get a dslr and take a class for it as well, however for now at least I'll stick to film.I liken the Pentax 67 to photography's answer to a Humvee - it's big, heavy, black, ugly and noisy, but it gets the job done, every time.
It's funny but while I like large laptops, big screen real estate, I'd rather have smaller camera bodies. I'd like to take my camera with me when I go hiking, and be able to take hand held photos. Another thing I'd like to do is get a good telescope with a camera mount so I can photo the stars.
FalconI don't think so. The position that it's wrong to strike children is (I hope we can agree) not nonsense.
No, I obviously disagree. I believe that in some circumstances spanking is appropriate, maybe not many but in some it is. Therefore to say it's wrong is nonsense.
FalconCheck out Ruby Ridge and Waco and see if they don't do stuff like send in the troops.
When did I ever say "they don't do stuff like send in the troops"?
Right here: whereas the federal government isn't going to, like, send in the troops
FalconNo Netherlands involved. The "Pennsylvania Dutch" are German descent. As the article in wikipedia you pointed to notes. It is incorrect corruption in the of the German word for "German" which is "Deutsch". So really no Dutch in volved. I knew that PA state history class would finally pay off!
Look at my reply to the person who replied to my post before you., yes I switched German and Dutch around.
FalconAnd if you read that link of yours, you'd know that Pennsylvania Dutch is not "Dutch, really", but rather "German, really".
You're right, I switched them around and let it slip through the edit.
FalconYou want better data? Get a better camera. Ditch that point-and-shoot for a DSLR, or even (gasp!) a film camera. My 50 year old Crown Graphic [graflex.org] takes pictures that the very best DSLRs can only dream about.
A view camera? What size is the film? I've been thinking of getting a 645 medium format with both film and digital backs. I think this size would be good for both large landscapes and photojournalism, I want to do both.
Falcon