One of the first times I encountered this was long ago in a PolSci type lecture when the lecturer stated that since no one was capable of true obejctivity she didn't feel the need to try and be objective in representing her beliefs [in class]. I found that idea getting more and more acceptable in academic circles and then in general culture.
I think this really depends on the professor/teacher. One of my fav professors in college I had for philosophy and relgious classes and she was a terrific devil's advocate. Whatever philosophical or religious tradition she talked about she would sound like she was a follower of it. Even after someone took a few of her classes it was neigh impossible to know exactly what she believed or what her philosophy or religion was.
Like most everything else America's technological lead really is more a question of economics than education. Only idiots think that our success has something to do with race. Of course our leading technologist, scientists, and thinkers used used to be foreigners. Now, however, they are Americans. When some other country learns that particular trick then the U.S. will have real problems.
The US already has a problem but now the problem is that it's hard for foreigners to either study or work in the US after 911 depending on what part of the world they come from. If they have an Arab sounding name they may not get in the US for instance, or if their name sound Latin or they look like they came from south of the border they may be accused of being an "illegal alien". Then there's the clampdown on what can be taught in science. Growing up as a kid I had those chemistry lab sets that could be bought in stores, try to find one and buy it now without ending up on some terrorist watch list. You may find when you try to board a plane that you're on the Do Not Fly list.
That's a good idea. In fact, that's what's going to happen to my PC once I stop using it to dual-boot with Windows (i.e., when I make the Mac the dual-boot computer instead
I don't know what I'll do with my old PC which I got in 2000. I won't trash it, so it's either upgrade or donate it. Upgrading will cost more than I'm willing to pay though as well as cost more to do than I spent on the new Linux box. The motherboard needs to be replaced, but because it's made with ethernet, sound, and video built on I'd have to get a card for each. Then I'd have to replace the harddisk drives as well as get new ram. Just getting a new PC is cheaper, which I did, so I'll try to see if I can find some place, maybe Freecycle, that will take it as a donation. Now the new Linux box I may setup as a dualboot PC, Linspire which was preinstalled, and Ubuntu. Maybe I could test various Linux distros. But mostly I want to use it for storage and maybe a server. With the Macbook Pro, I was thinking of dualbooting with Linux but with BSD under the hood installing X Windows I'd think I should be able to install some if not most Linux software without needing Linux.
Enjoy your Linux PC now, because you probably won't be using it much once you get your Mac.
Actually as it has a 750 GB hd I've been thinking of setting it up as a server once I get the MBP. As it is now I can get the MBP with either a 160GB 5400rpm or a 200GB 4200rpm hd. The PC I'm using now, it's old running Windows ME, has 160 GB but there was less than 20GB of free space before I started moving my files to the new PC so I want more storage. As I'm hoping to get into photography, professionally, I'll need the space. One Photoshop file can take a couple hundred MBs, and I'll want a fsster hd for running PS.
... but again, there is no real *price* advantage for the end-user to buy a Linux box. I can get a Sempron 3400+/512mb/80gb/DVD-ROM with XP Home for $279 shipped to my door
At a tyme I could ill afford to spend much money, I am on disability and don't work, buying a Linux box saved me a couple of hundred dollars and I can use it to do the same things as a PC with Windows. Other than Windows and apps that run in it my box came with apps that allow me to do the same things I would do with Windows. Admittedly it only came with 64MB ram but I got a geg at the same tyme, and the hd was only 40GB but I got a 750GB hd as well. The one thing I didn't like was that it didn't come with a dvd drive. While I spent more on upgrading it if I had tried to get a Windows PC with the same configuration I still would of paid more, I looked around to find the least expensive PC.
Thanks. I'll check with my local supplier and see what they say as this is the first I've heard of brewing software. I was brewing years before I ever got my first computer but haven't done any for more than ten years now as I had serious accident, then moving and having been through a lot of therapy and not being able to drink any alcoholic beverages while in therapy because of the neurological damage I sustained.
For us to make a transition to Linux, we'd need training and good support. It's been talked about, but sticking with MS has (at least on paper) come out being cheaper for the time being.
Yea it might be cheaper in the short term but what's the TCO, Total Cost of Ownership, of Windows PCs versus Linux PCs? Does the calculations on paper figure that in?
So how about it? What's a good way for us to make the leap into Linux without dropping a load of cash?
You don't have to drop a load of cash for PCs with Windows? The old PCs being replaced with new PCs needed to run Vista can be used to run Linux instead thus saving the cost of new PCs. I recently bought a new PC with Linux preinstalled and it cost half of what the cheapest PC with Windows cost, and I didn't have to think of or be concerned with Activation or WGA. After choosing the user account when I boot up, the desktop looks similar to Windows. There's "My Computer" and "My Documents" on the desktop, and the "Start" button with the shortcuts to programs. For all practical purposes it looks and acts like Windows.
Brewing software? Other than a logbook or recipies what brewing software? That is if you're not talking about brewing Java but are talking about Homebrew beer, mead, and wine.
WalMart does [walmart.com] this [walmart.com]. They were, at one time, pushing a line of $199 PCs with Linspire on them.
They didn't sell that well and now the lowest priced Linux PC is the same price as the lowest priced Windows machine. They're generally similarly equipped, but the Linux machine has an AMD Sempron at 2.0 GHz while the Windows box has a 3.2 GHz Celeron D.
I don't know if Walmart stopped selling PCs with Linspire but Microcenter sales PCs with Linspire. The second one is $250, I got one a few weeks ago, but they also had a $50 mailin rebate.
If there's no difference between Linux and Windows, that is a great reason to switch --- to OS X.
What about switching from Windows to both Linux and OSX? For almost ten years I've used mostly Windows but I recently got a new PC with Linux preinstalled and I hope ot order a MacBook Pro within a couple of weeks.
Oh and that's a myth haunting us from 1995-6 by the way. Tables are as accessible as they can be nowadays, especially if used in moderation.
Ever experienced a table with a screen reader or braille display? True tested and used in moderation tables can be accessible but how many do the testing?
if it were an E-Book of some sort then I might be into it because I could reference it while working at my station but honestly if its got a spine and paper then I dont have time to get my fat butt out of my chair and go to the shelf to look up a technique when I could just as easily find it in two seconds on google.
This may be true for you but it's not for everyone. My book shelf is easily within an arm's reach from my desk and I can grab a reference book off the shelf, check the index, and flip to the right page faster than I could google. Then, my desk is big enough to rest the book on while I type away eliminating the need to have a browser tab open in a second display while typing. Also because it's portable I can take it with me and therefore won't have to be concerned about getting net access while away.
As an owner of the first edition, it is a must own title for anyone into webdesign and programming. If only Microsoft started to adhere to the W3C specification, the world would be a better place.
Yea, I got the first edition years ago then when I found out the second ed came out I got it right away. I'd like to get a good book on CSS too, perhaps one of Meyers. What I'd really like to get though is a good book on accessibility, while following web standards helps a lot there's more to accessibility than just this, for instance the Fog index, on readability.
CrossOver doesn't support every application. In fact there is more that it doesn't support than what it does... I would suggest testing what you need to have running... Also, if you already have a windows license (that is transferable) you can use QEMU, which has made progress. I hate activation, and honestly, the increased issues and invasiveness is what is going to keep me away from vista in my home. I have a MSDN license, so my desktop is covered even, still won't be using it... ubuntu + vmware + winxp will probably be my setup for some time to come. I will probably get a MacBook Pro sometime next year myself, so vmware will be replaced with parallels, but will be keeping xp.
The only Windows app I believed I wanted to run on a Mac was XMLSpy however someone replying to a previous post of mine provided a link to the Oxygen XML editor which I'll try. So the only Windows software I know I'll want to run is IE and IE 5, 5.5, and 6 have been tested to run in CrossOver Mac. IE 7 hasn't been cleared yet but it's just coming out. For every other Windows app I use, there's a Mac equivalent.
I have memories of this odd input device. It looked very similar to a regular computer mouse, but the ball was ON TOP. I think they called it a "trackball". Oddly enough, by simply manipulating the ball with one's thumb, you get the same effect as moving the mouse across the desk, but the trackball remained stationary! I do wonder if that might be useful to you, as it could, theoretically, be placed on any surface and work just fine.
I used to like trackballs but after a while of using one I realized must of the tyme a mouse was easier for me to use. Now what I'd like is a tablet, for graphics and writing.
Thank's for the link. I was looking for something like XMLSpy for Macs, something that checked for wellformedness and would validate without being connected to the net. Now, er when I get me MBP, I'll try out Oxygen.
As for any performance overhead, xp on parallels works very well, the key is to have enough memory to give the parallels instance at or above 512mb. (I do 768 on my ubuntu desktop with vmware, and it works out fine)... Some of us need the windows apps that will never be available natively. Parallels makes that possible.
I plan on getting a MacBook Pro in the next couple of weeks, switching from Windows. And while there are Windows apps I want to run in it I will be getting CrossOver Mac to run them in. If I were to get Parallels to run Windows in on the Mac not only would I have to pay for Windows also but I would have to deal with the reason I'm switching to begin with. I don't want to deal with either Activation or WGA.
Wine is not the same thing as parallels - parallels is a virtualization environment that runs the full windows xp operating system concurrently with mac os x. Wine is a from-scratch implementation of the windows API. There is a wine-derivative package for mac (crossover from codeweavers), so people can pick-and-choose the best solution for them.
I'm switching from WinTels to MacTels rsn, I plan on getting a MacBook Pro in the next couple of weeks. At first I was planning on getting Parallels to run Windows in but instead I decided to get CrossOver Mac. I don't see the need to run Windows, which I'd have to go and buy anyway but doing so would mean I'd still have to deal with both Activation and WGA. And they are why I'm switching. There's only a few Windows programs I will want to use at most, XMLSpy (if I can't find an equivilent Mac app) and various browser versions, and I can just run them in CrossOver.
Maybe we should send the corporations to fight in Iraq.
Oh but corporations have been sent to Iraq, and Afghanistan, to fight. Bush has gone to some lengths to privatize the military. Cheney's company Halliburton is a big military contractor in Iraq, as is Blackwater. Blackwater was, I don't know if they still do, the provider of bodyguards for President Karzai in Afghanistan. And both companies had contracts for security in Iraq. Even if it had to now, the US military couldn't run a war without private military contractors providing logistics support. The thing is is many of the employees of these companies are formerly military. Take Blackwater, it was started by former Seals and intelligence agents. These people are doing the same thing they did in the military, who trained them, but they are making a hell of a lot more money doing it.
A corporation is a legal entity... a legal individual... who's sole purpose is to do what is best for that corporation
While a corporation is a legal entity the purpose of one is not to do what's best for said corporation. Corporate charters were originally granted to allow a number of individuals to pool their expertise, money, and other things together for the, here's the key phrase, "common good". However as Thomas Jefferson warned, a Corporate Aristocracy has basically taken control of government.
that a good majority of Americans don't like having the government telling us what to do, and this includes how we take care of our body and our health.
This would be funny, but only if it were true. If people really thought that way then they'd never put up with the government demanding what drugs they can and can not take or use. The people let government dictate what they can do with their bodies., even what drugs they can't take for medical treatments. All anyone has to do to find out this is true is to use hemp, aka marijuana, during treatment for say cancer.
because the state is not dictating how health care is conducting itself,
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One of the first times I encountered this was long ago in a PolSci type lecture when the lecturer stated that since no one was capable of true obejctivity she didn't feel the need to try and be objective in representing her beliefs [in class]. I found that idea getting more and more acceptable in academic circles and then in general culture.
I think this really depends on the professor/teacher. One of my fav professors in college I had for philosophy and relgious classes and she was a terrific devil's advocate. Whatever philosophical or religious tradition she talked about she would sound like she was a follower of it. Even after someone took a few of her classes it was neigh impossible to know exactly what she believed or what her philosophy or religion was.
FalconLike most everything else America's technological lead really is more a question of economics than education. Only idiots think that our success has something to do with race. Of course our leading technologist, scientists, and thinkers used used to be foreigners. Now, however, they are Americans. When some other country learns that particular trick then the U.S. will have real problems.
The US already has a problem but now the problem is that it's hard for foreigners to either study or work in the US after 911 depending on what part of the world they come from. If they have an Arab sounding name they may not get in the US for instance, or if their name sound Latin or they look like they came from south of the border they may be accused of being an "illegal alien". Then there's the clampdown on what can be taught in science. Growing up as a kid I had those chemistry lab sets that could be bought in stores, try to find one and buy it now without ending up on some terrorist watch list. You may find when you try to board a plane that you're on the Do Not Fly list.
FalconThat's a good idea. In fact, that's what's going to happen to my PC once I stop using it to dual-boot with Windows (i.e., when I make the Mac the dual-boot computer instead
I don't know what I'll do with my old PC which I got in 2000. I won't trash it, so it's either upgrade or donate it. Upgrading will cost more than I'm willing to pay though as well as cost more to do than I spent on the new Linux box. The motherboard needs to be replaced, but because it's made with ethernet, sound, and video built on I'd have to get a card for each. Then I'd have to replace the harddisk drives as well as get new ram. Just getting a new PC is cheaper, which I did, so I'll try to see if I can find some place, maybe Freecycle, that will take it as a donation. Now the new Linux box I may setup as a dualboot PC, Linspire which was preinstalled, and Ubuntu. Maybe I could test various Linux distros. But mostly I want to use it for storage and maybe a server. With the Macbook Pro, I was thinking of dualbooting with Linux but with BSD under the hood installing X Windows I'd think I should be able to install some if not most Linux software without needing Linux.
FalconEnjoy your Linux PC now, because you probably won't be using it much once you get your Mac.
Actually as it has a 750 GB hd I've been thinking of setting it up as a server once I get the MBP. As it is now I can get the MBP with either a 160GB 5400rpm or a 200GB 4200rpm hd. The PC I'm using now, it's old running Windows ME, has 160 GB but there was less than 20GB of free space before I started moving my files to the new PC so I want more storage. As I'm hoping to get into photography, professionally, I'll need the space. One Photoshop file can take a couple hundred MBs, and I'll want a fsster hd for running PS.
Falcon... but again, there is no real *price* advantage for the end-user to buy a Linux box. I can get a Sempron 3400+/512mb/80gb/DVD-ROM with XP Home for $279 shipped to my door
At a tyme I could ill afford to spend much money, I am on disability and don't work, buying a Linux box saved me a couple of hundred dollars and I can use it to do the same things as a PC with Windows. Other than Windows and apps that run in it my box came with apps that allow me to do the same things I would do with Windows. Admittedly it only came with 64MB ram but I got a geg at the same tyme, and the hd was only 40GB but I got a 750GB hd as well. The one thing I didn't like was that it didn't come with a dvd drive. While I spent more on upgrading it if I had tried to get a Windows PC with the same configuration I still would of paid more, I looked around to find the least expensive PC.
FalconThanks. I'll check with my local supplier and see what they say as this is the first I've heard of brewing software. I was brewing years before I ever got my first computer but haven't done any for more than ten years now as I had serious accident, then moving and having been through a lot of therapy and not being able to drink any alcoholic beverages while in therapy because of the neurological damage I sustained.
FalconFor us to make a transition to Linux, we'd need training and good support. It's been talked about, but sticking with MS has (at least on paper) come out being cheaper for the time being.
Yea it might be cheaper in the short term but what's the TCO, Total Cost of Ownership, of Windows PCs versus Linux PCs? Does the calculations on paper figure that in?
So how about it? What's a good way for us to make the leap into Linux without dropping a load of cash?
You don't have to drop a load of cash for PCs with Windows? The old PCs being replaced with new PCs needed to run Vista can be used to run Linux instead thus saving the cost of new PCs. I recently bought a new PC with Linux preinstalled and it cost half of what the cheapest PC with Windows cost, and I didn't have to think of or be concerned with Activation or WGA. After choosing the user account when I boot up, the desktop looks similar to Windows. There's "My Computer" and "My Documents" on the desktop, and the "Start" button with the shortcuts to programs. For all practical purposes it looks and acts like Windows.
FalconBrewing software? Other than a logbook or recipies what brewing software? That is if you're not talking about brewing Java but are talking about Homebrew beer, mead, and wine.
FalconWalMart does [walmart.com] this [walmart.com]. They were, at one time, pushing a line of $199 PCs with Linspire on them.
They didn't sell that well and now the lowest priced Linux PC is the same price as the lowest priced Windows machine. They're generally similarly equipped, but the Linux machine has an AMD Sempron at 2.0 GHz while the Windows box has a 3.2 GHz Celeron D.
I don't know if Walmart stopped selling PCs with Linspire but Microcenter sales PCs with Linspire. The second one is $250, I got one a few weeks ago, but they also had a $50 mailin rebate.
FalconIf there's no difference between Linux and Windows, that is a great reason to switch --- to OS X.
What about switching from Windows to both Linux and OSX? For almost ten years I've used mostly Windows but I recently got a new PC with Linux preinstalled and I hope ot order a MacBook Pro within a couple of weeks.
FalconTrue tested and used in moderation tables can be accessible but how many do the testing?
Your point being?
My point is that many who use tables for layouts do not make sure they are accessible.
FalconOh and that's a myth haunting us from 1995-6 by the way. Tables are as accessible as they can be nowadays, especially if used in moderation.
Ever experienced a table with a screen reader or braille display? True tested and used in moderation tables can be accessible but how many do the testing?
Falconif it were an E-Book of some sort then I might be into it because I could reference it while working at my station but honestly if its got a spine and paper then I dont have time to get my fat butt out of my chair and go to the shelf to look up a technique when I could just as easily find it in two seconds on google.
This may be true for you but it's not for everyone. My book shelf is easily within an arm's reach from my desk and I can grab a reference book off the shelf, check the index, and flip to the right page faster than I could google. Then, my desk is big enough to rest the book on while I type away eliminating the need to have a browser tab open in a second display while typing. Also because it's portable I can take it with me and therefore won't have to be concerned about getting net access while away.
FalconAs an owner of the first edition, it is a must own title for anyone into webdesign and programming. If only Microsoft started to adhere to the W3C specification, the world would be a better place.
Yea, I got the first edition years ago then when I found out the second ed came out I got it right away. I'd like to get a good book on CSS too, perhaps one of Meyers. What I'd really like to get though is a good book on accessibility, while following web standards helps a lot there's more to accessibility than just this, for instance the Fog index, on readability.
FalconEven better than Oxygen is nxml-mode for emacs, written by James Clark (of expat fame).
Thanks, I'll check it out. I'd thought of Eclipse but I don't know if there's an xml module or extension for it.
FalconCrossOver doesn't support every application. In fact there is more that it doesn't support than what it does... I would suggest testing what you need to have running... Also, if you already have a windows license (that is transferable) you can use QEMU, which has made progress. I hate activation, and honestly, the increased issues and invasiveness is what is going to keep me away from vista in my home. I have a MSDN license, so my desktop is covered even, still won't be using it... ubuntu + vmware + winxp will probably be my setup for some time to come. I will probably get a MacBook Pro sometime next year myself, so vmware will be replaced with parallels, but will be keeping xp.
The only Windows app I believed I wanted to run on a Mac was XMLSpy however someone replying to a previous post of mine provided a link to the Oxygen XML editor which I'll try. So the only Windows software I know I'll want to run is IE and IE 5, 5.5, and 6 have been tested to run in CrossOver Mac. IE 7 hasn't been cleared yet but it's just coming out. For every other Windows app I use, there's a Mac equivalent.
FalconI have memories of this odd input device. It looked very similar to a regular computer mouse, but the ball was ON TOP. I think they called it a "trackball". Oddly enough, by simply manipulating the ball with one's thumb, you get the same effect as moving the mouse across the desk, but the trackball remained stationary! I do wonder if that might be useful to you, as it could, theoretically, be placed on any surface and work just fine.
I used to like trackballs but after a while of using one I realized must of the tyme a mouse was easier for me to use. Now what I'd like is a tablet, for graphics and writing.
FalconThank's for the link. I was looking for something like XMLSpy for Macs, something that checked for wellformedness and would validate without being connected to the net. Now, er when I get me MBP, I'll try out Oxygen.
FalconAs for any performance overhead, xp on parallels works very well, the key is to have enough memory to give the parallels instance at or above 512mb. (I do 768 on my ubuntu desktop with vmware, and it works out fine)... Some of us need the windows apps that will never be available natively. Parallels makes that possible.
I plan on getting a MacBook Pro in the next couple of weeks, switching from Windows. And while there are Windows apps I want to run in it I will be getting CrossOver Mac to run them in. If I were to get Parallels to run Windows in on the Mac not only would I have to pay for Windows also but I would have to deal with the reason I'm switching to begin with. I don't want to deal with either Activation or WGA.
FalconI've been wondering why a Linux distro doesn't do this automagically with WINE
Isn't that pretty much what Lindows/Linspire tried to do? As I recall, they had technical difficulties and eventually stopped promoting that feature.
Linspire now has CrossOver that can be used instead of WINE.
FalconWine is not the same thing as parallels - parallels is a virtualization environment that runs the full windows xp operating system concurrently with mac os x. Wine is a from-scratch implementation of the windows API. There is a wine-derivative package for mac (crossover from codeweavers), so people can pick-and-choose the best solution for them.
I'm switching from WinTels to MacTels rsn, I plan on getting a MacBook Pro in the next couple of weeks. At first I was planning on getting Parallels to run Windows in but instead I decided to get CrossOver Mac. I don't see the need to run Windows, which I'd have to go and buy anyway but doing so would mean I'd still have to deal with both Activation and WGA. And they are why I'm switching. There's only a few Windows programs I will want to use at most, XMLSpy (if I can't find an equivilent Mac app) and various browser versions, and I can just run them in CrossOver.
FalconMaybe we should send the corporations to fight in Iraq.
Oh but corporations have been sent to Iraq, and Afghanistan, to fight. Bush has gone to some lengths to privatize the military. Cheney's company Halliburton is a big military contractor in Iraq, as is Blackwater. Blackwater was, I don't know if they still do, the provider of bodyguards for President Karzai in Afghanistan. And both companies had contracts for security in Iraq. Even if it had to now, the US military couldn't run a war without private military contractors providing logistics support. The thing is is many of the employees of these companies are formerly military. Take Blackwater, it was started by former Seals and intelligence agents. These people are doing the same thing they did in the military, who trained them, but they are making a hell of a lot more money doing it.
FalconA corporation is a legal entity... a legal individual... who's sole purpose is to do what is best for that corporation
While a corporation is a legal entity the purpose of one is not to do what's best for said corporation. Corporate charters were originally granted to allow a number of individuals to pool their expertise, money, and other things together for the, here's the key phrase, "common good". However as Thomas Jefferson warned, a Corporate Aristocracy has basically taken control of government.
Falconthat a good majority of Americans don't like having the government telling us what to do, and this includes how we take care of our body and our health.
This would be funny, but only if it were true. If people really thought that way then they'd never put up with the government demanding what drugs they can and can not take or use. The people let government dictate what they can do with their bodies., even what drugs they can't take for medical treatments. All anyone has to do to find out this is true is to use hemp, aka marijuana, during treatment for say cancer.
because the state is not dictating how health care is conducting itself,
See above.
FalconSo you are saying Microsoft bought Apache, Oracle, Apple, Sony, Nintendo, Novel and a few other companys that you listed there.
Last I check, Microsoft didt take or use any of those products you in making their own products.
MS didn't improve on them either.
Falcon