I think you have a reason to post this anonymously. Post some crap about a country, its inhabitants, their attitude and behaviour, and watch them go beserk.
Just to make sure it didn't change when i wasn't paying attention: I just checked and my passport is 'valid for all countries'.
- dutch governement can declare extremist foreigners 'persona non grata', i.e. not welcome anymore. Used against foreigners only.
- dual citizenship: they can choose to keep their dutch passport. If you apply for a dutch passport, you do that (assumed) to become dutch and intergrate in the dutch society. Why would you need 2 passports then? Make a choice what nationality you want to keep.
- the only shaky 'services' from so called 'professionals' in that field are for foreigners without a valid passport coming into the country, NOT for people with dutch passports going out of the country. And the're likely to get riped.
- going to afganistan/iraq now is likely going to get you into trouble, with our foreign office to clean up the mess. They won't restrict you, but severly warn you of the dangers and their inability to help to if/when you get into trouble.
- bolivia isn't that save either (see above), but a collegue of mine just returned. No questions asked by any government.
- North Korea: no problem, only (maybe) to get a visa from the north korean government.
- any question when entering the country are from the customs department, regarding smugling, deseases etc.
My country has plenty of restrictions on travel, but NOT for me with my dutch passport going abroad.
I know, it's hard for a 'us citizen' to realise that the are not that free, and citizens of other countries have, in fact, more freedom.
But don't make up lies about dutch laws.
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I have a dutch passport and it's valid for the whole world.
There's not a dutch law that prevents me from going anywhere on this planet, only common sense and financial reasons.
I once worked at company on a program in qbasic. The small procedure I was working on was ok when used in a test-program, but when it was used in the 'real' program it barfed. After I looked for hours for non-existing bugs in only 10 lines of code, questioning my own sanity in the proces, I asked for help. It turned out to be the compiler we run afterwards who messed up, and was 'corrected' by a dummy if-statement at the right place.
if (1=0)
print("The end of the world...");
Of course, another senior programmer saw the statemnent and removed it just before it was shipped to the customer...
Nowadays, I use JUnit to test portions of code, but it won't save me for this kind of problems.
it's also true that a justice system with a jury technically sucks, because members of the jury are more easily 'convinced' by a laywer than a professional judge. Also the punishment for a crime can variate tremendously with a jury of amateurs.
Simple cases (like this one) don't need a jury, bigger ones need professionals instead of unmotivated amateurs for making a fair judgement.
>>You don't know nothing about The Netherlands.
I live there. Try to introduce a consumer-electronic product on the local market here and see what happens. Do you know your product even has to withstand 'moderate non-standard' a.k.a. (ab)use of a customer ?
Here in the Netherlands *every* consumer product is tested against that (1 meter drop on concrete). A consumer product is allowed to be 'damaged' (e.g. scratched), but not to loose its functionality or form a danger to the consumer.
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I think you have a reason to post this anonymously. Post some crap about a country, its inhabitants, their attitude and behaviour, and watch them go beserk.
At least that was what you hoped for...
(and yes, I'm dutch)
Just to make sure it didn't change when i wasn't paying attention: I just checked and my passport is 'valid for all countries'. - dutch governement can declare extremist foreigners 'persona non grata', i.e. not welcome anymore. Used against foreigners only. - dual citizenship: they can choose to keep their dutch passport. If you apply for a dutch passport, you do that (assumed) to become dutch and intergrate in the dutch society. Why would you need 2 passports then? Make a choice what nationality you want to keep. - the only shaky 'services' from so called 'professionals' in that field are for foreigners without a valid passport coming into the country, NOT for people with dutch passports going out of the country. And the're likely to get riped. - going to afganistan/iraq now is likely going to get you into trouble, with our foreign office to clean up the mess. They won't restrict you, but severly warn you of the dangers and their inability to help to if/when you get into trouble. - bolivia isn't that save either (see above), but a collegue of mine just returned. No questions asked by any government. - North Korea: no problem, only (maybe) to get a visa from the north korean government. - any question when entering the country are from the customs department, regarding smugling, deseases etc. My country has plenty of restrictions on travel, but NOT for me with my dutch passport going abroad. I know, it's hard for a 'us citizen' to realise that the are not that free, and citizens of other countries have, in fact, more freedom. But don't make up lies about dutch laws.
Not. I have a dutch passport and it's valid for the whole world. There's not a dutch law that prevents me from going anywhere on this planet, only common sense and financial reasons.
I once worked at company on a program in qbasic. The small procedure I was working on was ok when used in a test-program, but when it was used in the 'real' program it barfed. After I looked for hours for non-existing bugs in only 10 lines of code, questioning my own sanity in the proces, I asked for help. It turned out to be the compiler we run afterwards who messed up, and was 'corrected' by a dummy if-statement at the right place.
if (1=0)
print("The end of the world...");
Of course, another senior programmer saw the statemnent and removed it just before it was shipped to the customer...
Nowadays, I use JUnit to test portions of code, but it won't save me for this kind of problems.
it's also true that a justice system with a jury technically sucks, because members of the jury are more easily 'convinced' by a laywer than a professional judge. Also the punishment for a crime can variate tremendously with a jury of amateurs. Simple cases (like this one) don't need a jury, bigger ones need professionals instead of unmotivated amateurs for making a fair judgement.
>>bsgenerator stands for BULLSHIT generator?
yep.
>>You don't know nothing about The Netherlands.
I live there. Try to introduce a consumer-electronic product on the local market here and see what happens. Do you know your product even has to withstand 'moderate non-standard' a.k.a. (ab)use of a customer ?
Here in the Netherlands *every* consumer product is tested against that (1 meter drop on concrete). A consumer product is allowed to be 'damaged' (e.g. scratched), but not to loose its functionality or form a danger to the consumer.