When it comes to Debs, I have no idea how to build Debs. Ubuntu and Debian lack the SSH/Kerberos mass deply ability and are even HARDER to recompile than RPMs.
sudo apt-build install applicationname
It will download the source, compile it, package it and install it.
The programmers quickly learn to tune out the noise, and only attend to what's relevant, like someone calling out their name. Humans are good at that.
I have noticed that when there is continuous background noises around the regular level of speaking or higher, I tend to freeze and forget my line of thought every so often while programming.
As a programmer, I do tune out noise in such scenarios, however, I don't agree that I am just as productive because of the constant lost track of thought.
Second of all, I can't stand stupid trams sharing space with traffic. They don't ease traffic at all. They shouldn't exist. They don't do anything busses don't do. Light rail should be elevated either all the time or at intersections.
Trams powered by a local power station, arriving at each station every 15 minutes is a lot cheaper to run than buses doing the equivalent. I learned that much from people working at PKS Szczecin.
Also note, that a decade ago, it wasn't very common to have a lot of traffic on the street in Poland outside of Warszawa.
This is the first post I've seen that describes the boy's actions and character realistically. He sounds like a very troubled and potentially very dangerous kid.
Having lived in Poland for over a decade, I can tell you that such behavior is the norm. Many of the younger generation (and my generation) behave as if they are untouchable. When it comes to the school system, they are pretty much untouchable.
It's also very much a norm to skip school in Poland whenever you feel like it.
I would say the only difference between this kid and other kids is that this one got caught doing stupid things he didn't actually think about.
I think it is ridiculous that if you go between two EU countries, you either have to swap out the SIM cards every time you cross a border (meaning different phone number) or pay to receive a call. Paying to receive calls is stupid.
That depends on the providers you connect to and use in Europe. I use the 3 network. I get the same rates everywhere in Europe on 3's sister networks.
I'm pretty sure you would get charged extra if you were using Verizon and then started roaming on another mobile network.
Skype calls are free on my phone provider, SIP is not.
My phone is even specialized for Skype usage to the point that it uses the regular voice network to handle the calls, thus saving battery life by not having to handle the overhead of Skype's VOIP software and allowing it to work on older 2G networks). Where is the free SIP alternative that can do all this?
Yeah, cover your ears and yell, "la la la" while you're at it. Those who deny and refuse to listen to what their weaknesses are and try to improve them are doomed to failure.
You're a waste of time because it became obvious you were bashing when it became apparent you were making out right lies.
Let's hope Linux on the desktop is not dragged down by people trying to pretend there is nothing wrong.
Oh, I am certainly aware of issues on the Linux desktop because I actually use it. But you, you don't even give proper examples of issues, so from my best understanding I try to interpret the issue, but I don't see and I give my reasons, which ends up in you refuting my points with lies.
Ha. LSB, what a joke. When was the last time there was an accepted LSB proposal to make Linux work better as a desktop instead of a server. Oh yeah, never.
This statement alone is proof you are not worth talking or listening to.
1. I never noticed Dependancy Hell with Fix or Segfaults... It like apt-get gets all the dependancies and installs them... Just like in Linux...
I have and being a power user, overly curious person and developer I use a lot of different tools continuously.
2. I hate to sound like an apologist. What the heck are you coping and pasting between OS X and X11 that will make the difererence. I normally never had a issue with it. It may be a problem so you should address the problem with apple. Not just letting it fester in you and use it as an excuse to hate apple.
I run things like Staroffice over ssh and x11 forwarding. Copy/pasting between the buffers is horrible. Many local ports have a work around by just using OS X's normal clipboard, but you cannot do this with remote applications.
It may be a problem so you should address the problem with apple.
I have bug reported it several times. That is all I am willing to contribute to this issue when I can use other systems that work fine and far more interesting problems to waste my little time on.
. Firefox runs OK in OS X (it is not X11) but it is my #2 browser, and I have used it for some intensive stuff... I never had issues with GIMP. Have you used a Mac that has beeen updated in the past 3 years?
Oh yes. I have used a updated OS X within the past three years. I can recall how the 10.4.9 update had some kind of broken wireless driver that didn't work with the macbookpro's internal wireless card and thus I had to reinstall to 10.4.5 to keep it working. This issue was all over Apple's forums. As far as I know. There still is no fix for it.
Yes, I know this didn't effect everyone, but this effected me and it was reproducible 100% of the time on the system. No, I don't want to get into discussing how horrible Applecare has treated me.
I have used recent ports of software and sorry to say. I am not overly impressed with how the applications may just suddenly poof off the screen, crashing.
I have been using Linux starting in 1994 I am a fairly early adopter, and I still use it. But I prefer OS X because the apps that are important to me I can moved over to it and it works fine.
I didn't even know about Linux back then and only recently, within the past three years have I actually move over to it as my main desktop.
That said, I still use OS X, Windows, Linux, BSDs and obscure little operating systems like AROS.
ASUS Eee PC you mean the system people buy and then find a way to install Windows XP on it.... Or a sub notebook for Linux users who wouldn't use windows... I bet if you take a pull theyere will be more people who know Mac Books then ASUS Eee PC... Sure cheap hardware will sell a bit but I have never seen it hold good staying Power...
Of course there is always some people who do that. But I am talking of the majority. Do you have any statistics to back this up that the majority are doing this?
Oh I need a new program for my OS I get a New OS, and hope to god the program I have is on the installation. Even if it is good luck on me remember what it is called gnome-klip733terx for some application.
I'm talking about operating systems.
I use to be a Linux zealot. I tried to convert the masses... What happened nothing. They ended up sticking with windows not because they didn't know about it but because they wanted the freedom to run games.
I don't care about conversions. But if anyone is going to tell me that Linux is not adequate for me. They are wrong. If they are going to make up stories or come up with half truths about other operating systems being better than others. I am certainly going to say something about it.
I use OS X over Linux because I Find it technically superior for my needs and uses.
Not a very good argument, IMO. If the system is designed in any reasonable way, there should be at least enough RAM in today's computers to take care of that... Of course, if every app needs a full low-level graphics lib and all the layers above, then... then stop programming in DOS.
Todays computers, come with 1GB of RAM and a 32bit operating system. Most 32bit operating systems on x86 cannot address more than 3.2GB of RAM.
Sorry, RAM is still limited today.
I'm shaking my head in disgust, thinking Now that is a good point. Why not use the vulnerability to spread the fix? That's how some famous virus (can't remember which) originated, iIrc : someone was trying to deliver software in an automated way without having to do anything on the client machine. Maybe that's actually a good idsea.
Because then you need to implement viral code for each different application uses this library in a certain way and some how deliver it? Not to mention. I think you're bloody insane to suggest that.
Every package manager sucks. All of them. No esception. I've had major breakages on all of them. Windows Installer, Gentoo Portage, BSD Ports, MacPorts, Fink, apt-get, rpm, YaST, and so many others I lost count. They. All. Suck. They all have Dependency Hell issues. They depend on metadata such as file dates, which are NOT reliable. Or they use "the filesystem as database", which is a disaster waiting to happen. Not to be waiting long. Databases suck, they're never properly updated. Tracking each file individually? Sssllloooowww.... Depend on 3rd-party uninstallers? Yeah, right.
Works for me when used correctly.
Me neither, but I remember thinking that it would be the easiest distro in the world. "Install stuff? Copy folder. Remove stuff? Remove folder. Depende-what? Apps that Just Work from a computer to the other? Apps in BINARY FORM?
I am not sure if they would work between other Linux systems honestly. Sorry, I don't remember the name. I wasn't too interested in the distribution and neither are others which obviously why it's hardly heard of.
Hell has frozen over and Adobe is going to port its line to Linux, like, Real Soon Now! And Duke Nukem Forever will hit retail!" Yes, it made me THAT happy. Then, well... we can't even remember the name.
Oh shit, I don't remember the name for everything. I must be a giant Encyclopedia of knowledge and have every detail in my head!?!
Especially with that kind of response I am not going to bother looking for it.
There are Ports to the same TON of actions for the mac... Installing them are just as easy as Debian/Ubuntu....
Really? Where is the preinstalled graphical package manager that does this?
Oh, and if you want to mention fink, macports, darwin ports - Don't forget to tell people FIRST about the dependency hell issues, the random segfault issues and how packages even reference non-existent packages -- I haven't seen that in a Linux system in many years.
OS X has X11 so Xwindows Apps run just like on linux...
No they don't. The clipboard buffer is so tiny that you can't copy/paste between applications correctly. There is no drag and drop support. The communication between x11 programs doesn't always go in the right order (thus screws things up) and there are a bunch of other issues I haven't diagnosed.
Want to claim OpenOffice.org copy/pastes correctly? It does because it's OS X's native copy/pasting APIs instead of X11, a custom hack to get around it all just for OS X. No, that is not proper X11 support.
Why is it that most of the OSS ported applications are unstable compared to running them natively on Linux or Windows?
Examples: OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Gimp etc.
So if you want free software you can get it. Not an issue sorry play again.
It is because of people like you who spread miss information that I ended up making the wrong decisions when it comes to OS X.
The Linux PC is not Cheap enough for most to jump to.
Especially if you are risking not being able to go to a store and purchase software even though that is now a less of an occurrence.
I saw Ubuntu on the shelves in PC world a few weeks ago.
Almost everyone I see who buy PC's will not install Linux because of fear of not running a new app if it comes out.
Most people who buy PCs won't install Linux because they don't want to know. Many are okay with what they got preinstalled.
And the Open Source Alternatives usually not up to snuff.
I use Linux over OS X because I find it technically superior for my needs and uses. I don't have any particular philosophy when it comes to a system being unix, proprietary technology and so on.
I can use both Fink and Macports to install software. "Fink uses Debian tools like dpkg and apt-get to provide powerful binary package management." And MacPorts uses RPMs.
You know, I feel like you were purposely miss leading the guy by not telling him about the dependency hell issues or the stupid references in packages that refer to non existent packages - I haven't seen those issues for years on Linux distributions.
Not to mention the fact that some of the tools in these repositories segfault randomly (I hate using mc in fink, it just randomly segfaults while using it).
Openoffice and AbiWord don't matter because they aren't "office." They're plenty useful, but they don't have 100% Office format compatibility, and therefore aren't good enough for Mr. Average Joe.
Then install Microsoft Office. Microsoft Office 97, 2000, XP, 2003 work under Crossover). Which by the way will retain more compatibility than Office 2004 on the Mac.
Same with the Adobe products, really. GIMP is still not good enough for print work, but really it all comes down to industry standard formats and applications. Go into a graphic design interview with GIMP/Inkscape experience but no Adobe experience and see where it gets you.
Then install Photoshop, works under wine, which is installed by default in Ubuntu.
I would recommend one tries out Krita first though when it comes to a Photoshop alternative.
None of the listed applications hold a candle to the iLife apps for "just getting things done." They aren't as slick, as easy to use, or as integrated.
I personally find most KDE applications are very nicely integrated with each other. That said, I haven't seen a alternative (doesn't mean there isn't) for iMovie.
What are the colour depths of Photoshop and GIMP? PS CS3 has 32 bits per colour change whereas GIMP only has 8. Can GIMP work with CMYK? Only with a plugin. Does PS? Natively. So, if you want print then you need PS as GIMP won't do.
I suggest you try out Krita. It has 32bit colours, CMYK etc.
Exactly, and don't forget that it is still very difficult to buy a Desktop or Laptop computer with Linux pre-installed
Dell, System 76, Asus (can't give a link since their site is under going maintenance right now), HP (offers desktops and laptop systems with Linux) and others (eee PC etc).
Moving and copying files isn't bad for the most part. I can rename them easily (when select, hit enter to edit the file name). In 10.5, when you rename a file by default it selects the entire file name except the extension and period before it. This is very handy, I don't know why someone else didn't think of it before.
That's nonsense. There's plenty of NATIVE open source apps for OS X.
I can't even bare using most of the ports to OS X. Firefox, OpenOffice.org, fink/darwin ports/mac ports.
They aren't as polished as on Linux. Infact I experience frequent crashes with them. While on Linux - I am sure some of the software has crashed at one point, but I cannot recall it happening. The GNU ports are extremely annoying, the package management has dependency hell, references to missing packages not to mention the segfault issues with certain tools. I can't recall the dependency issues happening to me on a Linux platform in many years.
I also do use Windows versions of that software without issues (Cygwin/Windows Servics for Unix for the GNU ports).
I hear more Linux users say we like freedom, and hate apple for have closed source products. As much as we make fun of it, I mostly hear Mac users say look at the pretty colors, and buy stuff as long as it is pretty, but are agnostic enough to leave when it is not longer pretty.
I thought that was pretty amusing actually.
What do you think about users like me who use every operating system they find under the sun (that includes the BSDs, Linux, Windows, OS X, obscure ones like AROS etc.)?
My experience has been very different. I have yet to find a linux program that did not have a mac alternative and have found many mac programs for which no linux alternative could be found that did the same job as easily.
It is definitely lacking when it comes to Amateur radio. Also, I will say I am not impressed with the ports of GNU tools in fink, macports, darwin ports etc. Some of them segfault on a fresh install, some packages have dependency hell issues and some refer to non-existent packages. OpenOffice.org, Gimp, Firefox... They really aren't as polished on OS X (infact they crash - I never had those applications on Linux).
Mplayer, VLC, Windows Media, all proprietary media players, and any KDE or Gnome based media player are available for OSX. You can also run any windows only media application via Bootcamp and Parallels
mplayer and xine are the usual engines used in KDE and Gnome - their ports are also... Not so polished.
X11 can be installed on OSX and any X11 based application can be used via x11 forwarding.
Hah! X11 support in OS X sucks. There is no drag and drop. The clipboard buffer is extremely limited, preventing you from doing copy/pasting decently (so many applications like OpenOffice.org have specific work arounds in the code to use the native API function to handle clipboard stuff while they still use x11 for display). The X11 communications between application windows are messy (they don't even come in the right order sometimes).
And, if you read what the parent was saying
Try running a Mac's control panel applet on a different system.
You cannot and this is a big pain in the butt in my opinion. Sure there are terminal tools, but in this case he/she wants to run the application graphically. Doesn't want a entire slow desktop (VNC), wants the application window over x11 which will do most of the rendering locally.
VNC is built into the os.
It comes with the OS, but it isn't very good... Seeing ghosts of the cursor get stuck on top of the buttons is annoying. Not to mention the fact it doesn't simplify the animations at least for VNC (slow compared to x11 over a compressed ssh tunnel and remote desktop).
You may find the OSX Missing Manual series as a decent start in uncovering the power of this UNIX operating system.
Being a experienced OS X user. I know OS X is not about portability or cross-platform compatibility. I also know applications on Linux don't magically work on OS X.
if Linux could support the iphone - it would see more growth than it has seen.
*Sigh* I would much rather Linux developers focus on other things that reverse engineering a locked down mobile phone which isn't exactly priced competitively. I also doubt that Linux supporting the iPhone would of influenced any statistics.
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Unless you meant actual packaging, then you need to follow the Debian New Maintainer's guide.
As a programmer, I do tune out noise in such scenarios, however, I don't agree that I am just as productive because of the constant lost track of thought.
Also note, that a decade ago, it wasn't very common to have a lot of traffic on the street in Poland outside of Warszawa.
It's also very much a norm to skip school in Poland whenever you feel like it.
I would say the only difference between this kid and other kids is that this one got caught doing stupid things he didn't actually think about.
I'm pretty sure you would get charged extra if you were using Verizon and then started roaming on another mobile network.
My phone is even specialized for Skype usage to the point that it uses the regular voice network to handle the calls, thus saving battery life by not having to handle the overhead of Skype's VOIP software and allowing it to work on older 2G networks). Where is the free SIP alternative that can do all this?
I do believe there was that whole mp3 licensing stink. Which apparently they still haven't paid last time I checked (Google).
Troll.
I have and being a power user, overly curious person and developer I use a lot of different tools continuously.
I run things like Staroffice over ssh and x11 forwarding. Copy/pasting between the buffers is horrible. Many local ports have a work around by just using OS X's normal clipboard, but you cannot do this with remote applications.
I have bug reported it several times. That is all I am willing to contribute to this issue when I can use other systems that work fine and far more interesting problems to waste my little time on.
Oh yes. I have used a updated OS X within the past three years. I can recall how the 10.4.9 update had some kind of broken wireless driver that didn't work with the macbookpro's internal wireless card and thus I had to reinstall to 10.4.5 to keep it working. This issue was all over Apple's forums. As far as I know. There still is no fix for it.
Yes, I know this didn't effect everyone, but this effected me and it was reproducible 100% of the time on the system. No, I don't want to get into discussing how horrible Applecare has treated me.
I have used recent ports of software and sorry to say. I am not overly impressed with how the applications may just suddenly poof off the screen, crashing.
I didn't even know about Linux back then and only recently, within the past three years have I actually move over to it as my main desktop.
That said, I still use OS X, Windows, Linux, BSDs and obscure little operating systems like AROS.
Of course there is always some people who do that. But I am talking of the majority. Do you have any statistics to back this up that the majority are doing this?
I'm talking about operating systems.
I don't care about conversions. But if anyone is going to tell me that Linux is not adequate for me. They are wrong. If they are going to make up stories or come up with half truths about other operating systems being better than others. I am certainly going to say something about it.
I honestly don't really
Sorry, RAM is still limited today.Because then you need to implement viral code for each different application uses this library in a certain way and some how deliver it? Not to mention. I think you're bloody insane to suggest that.Works for me when used correctly.I am not sure if they would work between other Linux systems honestly. Sorry, I don't remember the name. I wasn't too interested in the distribution and neither are others which obviously why it's hardly heard of.Oh shit, I don't remember the name for everything. I must be a giant Encyclopedia of knowledge and have every detail in my head!?!
Especially with that kind of response I am not going to bother looking for it.
Oh, and if you want to mention fink, macports, darwin ports - Don't forget to tell people FIRST about the dependency hell issues, the random segfault issues and how packages even reference non-existent packages -- I haven't seen that in a Linux system in many years.No they don't. The clipboard buffer is so tiny that you can't copy/paste between applications correctly. There is no drag and drop support. The communication between x11 programs doesn't always go in the right order (thus screws things up) and there are a bunch of other issues I haven't diagnosed.
Want to claim OpenOffice.org copy/pastes correctly? It does because it's OS X's native copy/pasting APIs instead of X11, a custom hack to get around it all just for OS X. No, that is not proper X11 support.
Why is it that most of the OSS ported applications are unstable compared to running them natively on Linux or Windows?
Examples: OpenOffice.org, Firefox, Gimp etc.It is because of people like you who spread miss information that I ended up making the wrong decisions when it comes to OS X.Then why is the ASUS Eee PC selling so well?I saw Ubuntu on the shelves in PC world a few weeks ago.Most people who buy PCs won't install Linux because they don't want to know. Many are okay with what they got preinstalled.I use Linux over OS X because I find it technically superior for my needs and uses. I don't have any particular philosophy when it comes to a system being unix, proprietary technology and so on.
Not to mention the fact that some of the tools in these repositories segfault randomly (I hate using mc in fink, it just randomly segfaults while using it).
I would recommend one tries out Krita first though when it comes to a Photoshop alternative.I personally find most KDE applications are very nicely integrated with each other. That said, I haven't seen a alternative (doesn't mean there isn't) for iMovie.
They aren't as polished as on Linux. Infact I experience frequent crashes with them. While on Linux - I am sure some of the software has crashed at one point, but I cannot recall it happening. The GNU ports are extremely annoying, the package management has dependency hell, references to missing packages not to mention the segfault issues with certain tools. I can't recall the dependency issues happening to me on a Linux platform in many years.
I also do use Windows versions of that software without issues (Cygwin/Windows Servics for Unix for the GNU ports).
What do you think about users like me who use every operating system they find under the sun (that includes the BSDs, Linux, Windows, OS X, obscure ones like AROS etc.)?
And, if you read what the parent was sayingYou cannot and this is a big pain in the butt in my opinion. Sure there are terminal tools, but in this case he/she wants to run the application graphically. Doesn't want a entire slow desktop (VNC), wants the application window over x11 which will do most of the rendering locally.It comes with the OS, but it isn't very good... Seeing ghosts of the cursor get stuck on top of the buttons is annoying. Not to mention the fact it doesn't simplify the animations at least for VNC (slow compared to x11 over a compressed ssh tunnel and remote desktop).Being a experienced OS X user. I know OS X is not about portability or cross-platform compatibility. I also know applications on Linux don't magically work on OS X.