..the Alpha CPU, but I'm sure many are attached to Linux. As a small aside, know that RedHat Linux Advanced Server will have an important role in the undoing of the Alpha vs. Itanium II.
You might be surprised now, but in a couple of months you'll know why I said this.
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I don't know about you, but I feel lindows has strayed far from the community and only attempts to provide a semblence of support for it. Right down to providing source code they've fought what community is about tooth and nail. The CEO isn't interested in the community, he's intrested in exploiting it.
At great peril to my karma, I will go on a limb and say: so fucking what? The whole idea is that such things are possible and legal. They are not stealing anything from anyone as far as I know. And since they aren't working in child porn, drugs, racketeering, or any environment-polluting business (not more than any other software company anyway), I see their business as perfectly legit.
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I never tried it so I don't know for sure, but isn't Lindows trying to be exactly what you're describing? I mean, maybe not every little detail (or maybe even every little detail, as I said, I don't know for sure), but certainly the spirit, no?
Well, to tell you the truth, I am a Slackware user because I gave up on the distros that PRETEND to be user friendly, so why not just go for the real thing and get my hands dirty, but at least I know what the hell is going on. And I have yet to see a distro that is so user-friendly both in the interface as in configuration and application installation as BeOS -still- is.
BUT MS having to give 1.2 billion dollars to the people of California, that's just not good enough
You ought to know, at the very moment as you were typing that sentence, that MS does NOT give money. They will give software which they evaluate to be worth 1.2 billion. Just keep in mind that there are no more costs in developing that software. Keep also in mind that MS is thecompany that has the highest total margin of all those registered on NASDAQ. And this margin (of 30%-31%) was calculated by including businesses such as MSN and Xbox which are losing money!
Basically, MS gets to give away boxes, manuals and CDs, all of which is very cheap to produce, and actually further EXPAND their market. They could very wel book it under "marketing".
Brilliant. I just don't understand who on the Californian side agreed to this ridicolous settlement.
Well, Dan, perhaps you wouldn't, but believe me, there are projects that are managed by and otherwise influenced by stakeholders that -will- select an OS because they like it more!
Recently there was a decision in my company to move most of our products from Solaris to Linux... and the arguments were totally ridicolous! That's when I started seriously leaving this company, when I realized that decisions are taken totally irresponsibly.
But this being Slashdot... maybe an OpenSource plug is in order: what good it is to have a closed-source CPU like the Itanium, when you can have an open architecture where anybody can contribute, like the SPARC?
But seriously, the Sun Fire series have some bells and whistles that make them rather attractive. What with the great backplane interconnect and the bandwidth-to-storage, the fibre-channel etc. Also remember: the SGI machine we're talking about is a NUMA architecture, which means that the software will need to be written for it. Unlike classic SMP (like the Sun Fire), it has a kernel image for each CPU. Besides, there isn't much 3rd party software for the Linux on Itanium yet, anyway.
So, don't have sour grapes for your investment, I believe the V440 will get much more work done, in the foreseable future.
I don't understand how a company can have negative (!) total stockholder equity over 4 consecutive quarters and still exist. Maybe I'm just disingenuous, but I think SGI is dead.
Yup, IRIX was good, but maintaining a full OS takes a lot of money. This way, they can piggy-back on investments made by other people & companies while still having a modern OS That's exactly the reasonong SGI had last time it adopted Windows NT, and bet the farm on it.. and almost died.
I'm afraid of these sudden changes in the direction of, let's face it, trendy technologies. Linux still has to prove itslef in systems with many CPUs. There really isn't any reason to chose Linux over IRIX, performance-wise.
whereas quantum would say that the change is instantaneous. Or better to say, the change happens on both (spins) at the same time - there is no transfer. You're not changing one and watching the other, you're changing both.
As for the experiment you mention, I tought it was fresher than 2 yewars;o) well, anyway, I think it was performed somewhere in belgium, with a very long single-fiber optical cable. I am not a physicist, though, and don't know the details.
I found the results of this experiment particularly reassuring, in an era when all sorts of scientific and technical myths seem to crumble. I admit, after just reading the title, I thought to myself "well, it _ought_ to be the speed of light, but wtf, it's on Slashdot, it could be _anything_!!" but I calmed down quite soon after I read the rest.
Call me conservative, but I like it if at least some of the laws of physics I learned at school, still apply:o)
Well Jazman, I don't quite agree with your generalization of USA (I think you guys do learn, no less than anyone else) even though I am a European and it's really popular and politically correct to blame USA for everything, but this would get us way waayy offtopic and into politics, and we don't want to go there, now do we? Well, I don't for sure:o)
I promise I will double-check, 'coz indeed I'm not infallable, but I'm rather certain we're talking about Oracle. The fact that they're still in business is that they still have a lot of tech that it's better than MS's. But not even a better technology can save you, not even in the RDBMS business. See Informix: those guys have a fantastic RDBMS, yet they have fallen on hard times and are now just a way for IBM to get into their markets with DB2 (which is also a great product, no doubt about it).
Apropos MS SQL server an Sybase: my account wasn't about getting it, it was abot gettng it fixed. Among other things, IIRC (but here I'm really on thin ice) they got finer-grained locking to work.
Well, when in doubt, the best place to check a company's financial strength is the profile on yahoo, which shows MSFT's total cash at 40.5 billion. The page also shows a ludicrious profit margin of OVER 30%! That underscores pretty nicely what you just said about MS ripping off the industry, as usual. And this amidst all kinds of investments like MSN, Xbox etc! Believe me, these guys have fuel to burn. The whole Xbox fucking-around costed them "only" 700 million, including the 500 million propaganda campaign. And the Xbox is starting to sell, at least in UK, finally. I don't know how the game console story is gona end, but I know for sure that, if MS wanted to just give away 10 million Xboxen, they could do that and it would be but a blip on their accounting... what with their projected annual income of almost 10 billion!
See the numbers for yourself, and tel me it doesn't get you at least a little bit queasy.
I agree with your points. But I must add, the DOJ had all the right evidence, and yet, it failed.
I am not going to analize why, that would really take us quite far, but I can't help thinking that 40 billion in cash gets you a long way.
I think I remember some pretty good HP plotters' too. Hey, since you are definitely in-the-know as far as HP is concerned, do you remember that portable HP workstation (I think it was a Unix workstation) with a plasma screen?
Actually, all HP hardware from that epoch is characterized by incredible reliability. Back then, anyone at my uni who could afford it, would buy HP whatever (calculators, measurement instruments (now under another brand) and workstations), and it was always money well spent.
Today, well, I dunno. The PA-risc based servers, while technicaly OK, are too expensive for the quality you get, which is not outstanding. Sun is very competitive here, because you get much more bang for the cash. I'm talking as someone who is working in development on HP-UX and Solaris. I am terribly disappointed in HP.
Interestingly, executives in software companies don't seem to learn from history/other's mistakes: I guess you know how MS stole valuable assets and IP from borland trough their engineers - made very high offers to the Borland engineers while contacting with Borland for "cooperation". Well, the same identical thing happened years later to Oracle (with Microsoft, of course), after which MS SQL server started to suck less.
Yeah, well... but I am just saying that I expected at least three orders of magintude longer.
As it turns out, the earth (and therefroe, the Solar system) is rather old.Luckily for us, it lasted long enough to develop the first vegetation-like lifeforms, so that the average temperature on earth was low enough for the first multicellular organisms to develop.
I am a bit surprised. Granted, I am no astrophysicist, but I knew that the Earth is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old. So I expected the universe to be much, much older than that.
I always wanted to have the Ace. I was infatuated with Forth and the Ace (which also looked very cool) was like a dream... that never came true.
Nice to see I -cold- build one by myself, but I strongly doubt it wold resamble the original thing. Plus, I guess the keyboard would be a pain in the ass to make.
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..the Alpha CPU, but I'm sure many are attached to Linux. As a small aside, know that RedHat Linux Advanced Server will have an important role in the undoing of the Alpha vs. Itanium II.
You might be surprised now, but in a couple of months you'll know why I said this.
I don't know about you, but I feel lindows has strayed far from the community and only attempts to provide a semblence of support for it. Right down to providing source code they've fought what community is about tooth and nail. The CEO isn't interested in the community, he's intrested in exploiting it.
At great peril to my karma, I will go on a limb and say: so fucking what? The whole idea is that such things are possible and legal. They are not stealing anything from anyone as far as I know. And since they aren't working in child porn, drugs, racketeering, or any environment-polluting business (not more than any other software company anyway), I see their business as perfectly legit.
I never tried it so I don't know for sure, but isn't Lindows trying to be exactly what you're describing? I mean, maybe not every little detail (or maybe even every little detail, as I said, I don't know for sure), but certainly the spirit, no?
Well, to tell you the truth, I am a Slackware user because I gave up on the distros that PRETEND to be user friendly, so why not just go for the real thing and get my hands dirty, but at least I know what the hell is going on. And I have yet to see a distro that is so user-friendly both in the interface as in configuration and application installation as BeOS -still- is.
BUT MS having to give 1.2 billion dollars to the people of California, that's just not good enough
You ought to know, at the very moment as you were typing that sentence, that MS does NOT give money. They will give software which they evaluate to be worth 1.2 billion. Just keep in mind that there are no more costs in developing that software. Keep also in mind that MS is thecompany that has the highest total margin of all those registered on NASDAQ. And this margin (of 30%-31%) was calculated by including businesses such as MSN and Xbox which are losing money!
Basically, MS gets to give away boxes, manuals and CDs, all of which is very cheap to produce, and actually further EXPAND their market. They could very wel book it under "marketing".
Brilliant. I just don't understand who on the Californian side agreed to this ridicolous settlement.
Well, Dan, perhaps you wouldn't, but believe me, there are projects that are managed by and otherwise influenced by stakeholders that -will- select an OS because they like it more!
Recently there was a decision in my company to move most of our products from Solaris to Linux... and the arguments were totally ridicolous! That's when I started seriously leaving this company, when I realized that decisions are taken totally irresponsibly.
But this being Slashdot... maybe an OpenSource plug is in order: what good it is to have a closed-source CPU like the Itanium, when you can have an open architecture where anybody can contribute, like the SPARC?
But seriously, the Sun Fire series have some bells and whistles that make them rather attractive. What with the great backplane interconnect and the bandwidth-to-storage, the fibre-channel etc. Also remember: the SGI machine we're talking about is a NUMA architecture, which means that the software will need to be written for it. Unlike classic SMP (like the Sun Fire), it has a kernel image for each CPU. Besides, there isn't much 3rd party software for the Linux on Itanium yet, anyway.
So, don't have sour grapes for your investment, I believe the V440 will get much more work done, in the foreseable future.
In Soviet Russia, all your base are belong to Natalie Portman's Beowulf cluster of hot grits for Profit! cuz BSD is dead
What about for great Profit!
I don't understand how a company can have negative (!) total stockholder equity over 4 consecutive quarters and still exist. Maybe I'm just disingenuous, but I think SGI is dead.
Yup, IRIX was good, but maintaining a full OS takes a lot of money. This way, they can piggy-back on investments made by other people & companies while still having a modern OS
That's exactly the reasonong SGI had last time it adopted Windows NT, and bet the farm on it.. and almost died.
I'm afraid of these sudden changes in the direction of, let's face it, trendy technologies. Linux still has to prove itslef in systems with many CPUs. There really isn't any reason to chose Linux over IRIX, performance-wise.
whereas quantum would say that the change is instantaneous. Or better to say, the change happens on both (spins) at the same time - there is no transfer. You're not changing one and watching the other, you're changing both.
;o) well, anyway, I think it was performed somewhere in belgium, with a very long single-fiber optical cable. I am not a physicist, though, and don't know the details.
As for the experiment you mention, I tought it was fresher than 2 yewars
Wish I had modpoints: rarely do I see some crystal-clear yet simple truths on the Slashdot boards.
Oh yeah! Good that the file has been replicated to so many sites that it would survive a medium nuclear war ;o)
;o))))
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I found the results of this experiment particularly reassuring, in an era when all sorts of scientific and technical myths seem to crumble. I admit, after just reading the title, I thought to myself "well, it _ought_ to be the speed of light, but wtf, it's on Slashdot, it could be _anything_!!" but I calmed down quite soon after I read the rest.
:o)
Call me conservative, but I like it if at least some of the laws of physics I learned at school, still apply
Well Jazman, I don't quite agree with your generalization of USA (I think you guys do learn, no less than anyone else) even though I am a European and it's really popular and politically correct to blame USA for everything, but this would get us way waayy offtopic and into politics, and we don't want to go there, now do we? Well, I don't for sure :o)
I promise I will double-check, 'coz indeed I'm not infallable, but I'm rather certain we're talking about Oracle. The fact that they're still in business is that they still have a lot of tech that it's better than MS's. But not even a better technology can save you, not even in the RDBMS business. See Informix: those guys have a fantastic RDBMS, yet they have fallen on hard times and are now just a way for IBM to get into their markets with DB2 (which is also a great product, no doubt about it).
Apropos MS SQL server an Sybase: my account wasn't about getting it, it was abot gettng it fixed. Among other things, IIRC (but here I'm really on thin ice) they got finer-grained locking to work.
Well, when in doubt, the best place to check a company's financial strength is the profile on yahoo, which shows MSFT's total cash at 40.5 billion. The page also shows a ludicrious profit margin of OVER 30%! That underscores pretty nicely what you just said about MS ripping off the industry, as usual. And this amidst all kinds of investments like MSN, Xbox etc! Believe me, these guys have fuel to burn. The whole Xbox fucking-around costed them "only" 700 million, including the 500 million propaganda campaign. And the Xbox is starting to sell, at least in UK, finally. I don't know how the game console story is gona end, but I know for sure that, if MS wanted to just give away 10 million Xboxen, they could do that and it would be but a blip on their accounting... what with their projected annual income of almost 10 billion!
See the numbers for yourself, and tel me it doesn't get you at least a little bit queasy.
I agree with your points. But I must add, the DOJ had all the right evidence, and yet, it failed.
I am not going to analize why, that would really take us quite far, but I can't help thinking that 40 billion in cash gets you a long way.
I think I remember some pretty good HP plotters' too. Hey, since you are definitely in-the-know as far as HP is concerned, do you remember that portable HP workstation (I think it was a Unix workstation) with a plasma screen?
Actually, all HP hardware from that epoch is characterized by incredible reliability. Back then, anyone at my uni who could afford it, would buy HP whatever (calculators, measurement instruments (now under another brand) and workstations), and it was always money well spent.
Today, well, I dunno. The PA-risc based servers, while technicaly OK, are too expensive for the quality you get, which is not outstanding. Sun is very competitive here, because you get much more bang for the cash. I'm talking as someone who is working in development on HP-UX and Solaris. I am terribly disappointed in HP.
Sorry for the O.T.
Interestingly, executives in software companies don't seem to learn from history/other's mistakes: I guess you know how MS stole valuable assets and IP from borland trough their engineers - made very high offers to the Borland engineers while contacting with Borland for "cooperation". Well, the same identical thing happened years later to Oracle (with Microsoft, of course), after which MS SQL server started to suck less.
Yeah, well... but I am just saying that I expected at least three orders of magintude longer.
As it turns out, the earth (and therefroe, the Solar system) is rather old.Luckily for us, it lasted long enough to develop the first vegetation-like lifeforms, so that the average temperature on earth was low enough for the first multicellular organisms to develop.
I am a bit surprised. Granted, I am no astrophysicist, but I knew that the Earth is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old. So I expected the universe to be much, much older than that.
BTW... the pics of the PCB are missing?! Am I supposed to project my own PCB for it? I would still need the circuit diagram.
I always wanted to have the Ace. I was infatuated with Forth and the Ace (which also looked very cool) was like a dream... that never came true.
Nice to see I -cold- build one by myself, but I strongly doubt it wold resamble the original thing. Plus, I guess the keyboard would be a pain in the ass to make.
I think that's a rare item. Stuff like Amiga 500 you have tons of, around, but this...