A lot of people spout that the Chinese can only produce low quality good, and seem to forget that their beloved Apple gear, supposedly the pinacle of quality, is also made there. It's all about what level of QC is requested.
I suppose your 'stuff' is only available to your domestic market. Is there no demand for it in China? It's a huge market for the right product - hrm, a bit obvious that, I suppose.
> and many of the glues on the market today don't work well on wet tissue that's continually flexed by the heart's contractions and the movement of pumping blood.
What's the point of saying that, unless 'many' means 'all'? Just use the ones that *do* work well.
A quick scan of the second page of the linked article suggests to my "I know very little about this" mind that it is a CC-NUMA like design akin to that which SGI has been using for decades in its systems that scale to quite large numbers - iirc 2048 cores (hyperthreaded) with 64TB RAM. I guess it's a problem that is solved to some degree - ie, yes it can still be an issue that some applications are sensitive to and can require some specialist programming, especially to get the best performance from, but it can also present a massive amount of RAM to a single application. I imagine it works well for applications that process in a pipeline too with data passed through the system in an orderly manner, though I can't think of anything that has quite *that* many steps.
Well, I hope it turns out that way on both sides. I don't want my emotion to be engaged, just to learn the arguments on both side, so I can make an informed decision. If one side or the other fail to do that, I'll end up throwing both out, which would be unfortunate - more so if others do likewise.
Hrm, ok. What if I were to offer my hand, but the child flatly refuses to take it, stating that he/she would prefer to die? Should I still save her?
Hrm, I guess you circumstance you're describing, is more like where the kid is pleading to be saved, not refusing. Yes, I get that, but I see *your* point, thanks. I suppose I could continue to further attempt to argue both sides, but it makes me all the more curious about the debate:)
I was thinking along these lines, but perhaps there is some value in those who haven't decided one way or another, yet, and would welcome hearing the two arguments put out all at once by people recognised as experts on both sides - so they can come to some conclusion.
+1 I was thinking this too. In fact, I'd prefer to have people who *are* convinced of their position to argue, rather than people who don't already know what the other person is going to say.
I still don't think there's a whole lot of point in this. The nature of the argument is such that people *in the audience* won't be convinced from one side to the other....oh, unless they haven't already come to some conclusion on the matter, I suppose...there some value in that, I suppose...hearing *all* the arguments in one concise debate has value, yes. I'd watch that, I think:)
Also, even with fibre to the curb/cabinet, which I've had in both Finland and the UK, both involve DSL modems for the final copper link. In Finland, it was an off-the-shelf VDSL2 device, but in the UK I use BT, and I didn't pay enough attention. Also, the older ADSL modems are widely used in China still - though I think Metropolitan Area Networks are becoming more popular undoubtedly involving local fibre connections (I had a symmetric 10BaseT connection in my flat when I lived here ~10 years ago and it only cost 99rmb/month).
The Nokia 808 could produce images with almost 42MPixels :
"Nokia 808 has a 41.3-megapixel CMOS FSI image sensor, 1/1.2-inch image sensor format with 7728 x 5368 pixels. Depending on the aspect ratio chosen by the user, it will use 7728 x 4354 pixels (33.6 Mpx) for 16:9 images, or 7152 x 5368 pixels (38.2 Mpx) for 4:3 images when using the default camera software. The commercial app CameraPro[12] can use the whole sensor size for capturing full 7728 x 5368 pixels (41.48 Megapixel) pictures with more than 30 Megabytes each"
On the other hand, "sitting on your ass" means quite different things, I think. In English, it just means "sitting down on your donkey-thing", but in American English, it means "just sitting down".
Does 'arse' have *any* meaning in American English?
including England...because it's English, not (just) British (or European, or Earthean).
Hrm, is there a name for something that comes from Earth?
I wonder if English will stop being called "British English" and return to just being called "English", when/if the Scots choose to become independent...or will USeans then call the English language "Northern Irish, Welsh, and English, English"?
Of course, there are people who share the opinion of said "fanboys" (or whatever you call them) to some degree or other, but for rational reasons. I wonder if even the majority of "fanboys" actually do have good reasons, but their failing is that they can't easily put those accumulated experiences into words...perhaps they've come to that opinion over several years of (mostly) poor experiences and it is more of an "impression" than something they can justify coherantly.
Perhaps, indeed, it is less rational still to label someone who you disagree with as a 'fanboy'...is there a word for such behaviour? Use of the word does seem to be a trend these days.
> The traffic is like none North Americans have ever seen as well; Six rings of highways in Beijing, every road completely jammed with cars at all hours of the day.
That's where I stopped reading. Utter nonsense/hyperbole.
> and definitely have no idea why somebody would rather drop off a broken computer at a store then spend the entire goddamned weekend figuring out which driver update screwed up their system.
I don't recall any such problem on my Ubuntu system. I'm sure I have had such problems in the past, but so long ago that I can't recall them.
On the other had, my wife's iPad won't back up to my wife's MacBook Air (need to do it in order to upgrade) due to some ID problem, so now I have to take both to some Apple store to get some "Genius" to sort them out. TBH, I doubt they will be able to, but we'll see. I've been before to attempt to sort out the crappy battery life on the AIr, which they tested and said it was 'as expected' - but the experience involved much waiting in a crouded noisey shop and not something I really want to repeat, if I can avoid it - which I can't because Apple seem to want to 'think different' (as well as 'spell different').
But, yes, the New Mac Pro does *look* great, at least - and it's been many a year since I thought that about an Apple product. IIRC, even the Apple logo is not "in your face" nearly as much as on their other products.
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A lot of people spout that the Chinese can only produce low quality good, and seem to forget that their beloved Apple gear, supposedly the pinacle of quality, is also made there. It's all about what level of QC is requested.
I suppose your 'stuff' is only available to your domestic market. Is there no demand for it in China? It's a huge market for the right product - hrm, a bit obvious that, I suppose.
It (seemingly) isn't...Israel is above it. Amongst the best, perhaps.
I'm wondering about 'Korea' - are they *really* grouping north and south together?
> Going to have to move there
Yeah, that'll fix it ;)
Having said that, I've just moved *away* from there - a bit too depressing :/
> and many of the glues on the market today don't work well on wet tissue that's continually flexed by the heart's contractions and the movement of pumping blood.
What's the point of saying that, unless 'many' means 'all'? Just use the ones that *do* work well.
I sensed a high degree of speculation in TFA, so I wouldn't be so fast with those 'will's...not that I know either way.
A quick scan of the second page of the linked article suggests to my "I know very little about this" mind that it is a CC-NUMA like design akin to that which SGI has been using for decades in its systems that scale to quite large numbers - iirc 2048 cores (hyperthreaded) with 64TB RAM. I guess it's a problem that is solved to some degree - ie, yes it can still be an issue that some applications are sensitive to and can require some specialist programming, especially to get the best performance from, but it can also present a massive amount of RAM to a single application. I imagine it works well for applications that process in a pipeline too with data passed through the system in an orderly manner, though I can't think of anything that has quite *that* many steps.
http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/uv/configs.html
I can't wait to see what SGI do with this chip :)
Well, I hope it turns out that way on both sides. I don't want my emotion to be engaged, just to learn the arguments on both side, so I can make an informed decision. If one side or the other fail to do that, I'll end up throwing both out, which would be unfortunate - more so if others do likewise.
Hrm, ok. What if I were to offer my hand, but the child flatly refuses to take it, stating that he/she would prefer to die? Should I still save her?
Hrm, I guess you circumstance you're describing, is more like where the kid is pleading to be saved, not refusing. Yes, I get that, but I see *your* point, thanks. I suppose I could continue to further attempt to argue both sides, but it makes me all the more curious about the debate :)
True, true...probably, by the nature of it, it would be the creationist. I suppose that might move some opinions in the audience.
> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
That doesn't follow, does it? What's the argument there?
Perhaps it depends on how 'evil' is defined in this context, or if it matters.
I was thinking along these lines, but perhaps there is some value in those who haven't decided one way or another, yet, and would welcome hearing the two arguments put out all at once by people recognised as experts on both sides - so they can come to some conclusion.
+1 I was thinking this too. In fact, I'd prefer to have people who *are* convinced of their position to argue, rather than people who don't already know what the other person is going to say.
I still don't think there's a whole lot of point in this. The nature of the argument is such that people *in the audience* won't be convinced from one side to the other....oh, unless they haven't already come to some conclusion on the matter, I suppose...there some value in that, I suppose...hearing *all* the arguments in one concise debate has value, yes. I'd watch that, I think :)
Also, even with fibre to the curb/cabinet, which I've had in both Finland and the UK, both involve DSL modems for the final copper link. In Finland, it was an off-the-shelf VDSL2 device, but in the UK I use BT, and I didn't pay enough attention.
Also, the older ADSL modems are widely used in China still - though I think Metropolitan Area Networks are becoming more popular undoubtedly involving local fibre connections (I had a symmetric 10BaseT connection in my flat when I lived here ~10 years ago and it only cost 99rmb/month).
You know, the third with the legs and bit fat arses on it. The other two thirds probably have other opinions.
Measuring proportion of body mass here, of course...legs aren't a lot of volume, and USians are famous for being big around the waist.
...but there are *three* thirds. Best to be explicit about which third, don't you think?
Yes, I'm curious too.
perhaps they were also given regular photos of people - that's what I presumed by 'match faces'.
Images taken with the Lytro camera can be re-focused... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lytro ...some way to go on the resolution though.
Not possible with a Nokia 808 (or at least using it's h/w) - for $350 USD?
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313&_nkw=nokia+808&_sacat=0&_from=R40
The Nokia 808 could produce images with almost 42MPixels :
"Nokia 808 has a 41.3-megapixel CMOS FSI image sensor, 1/1.2-inch image sensor format with 7728 x 5368 pixels. Depending on the aspect ratio chosen by the user, it will use 7728 x 4354 pixels (33.6 Mpx) for 16:9 images, or 7152 x 5368 pixels (38.2 Mpx) for 4:3 images when using the default camera software. The commercial app CameraPro[12] can use the whole sensor size for capturing full 7728 x 5368 pixels (41.48 Megapixel) pictures with more than 30 Megabytes each"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_808_PureView
That usage works both ways though, right?
On the other hand, "sitting on your ass" means quite different things, I think. In English, it just means "sitting down on your donkey-thing", but in American English, it means "just sitting down".
Does 'arse' have *any* meaning in American English?
including England...because it's English, not (just) British (or European, or Earthean).
Hrm, is there a name for something that comes from Earth?
I wonder if English will stop being called "British English" and return to just being called "English", when/if the Scots choose to become independent...or will USeans then call the English language "Northern Irish, Welsh, and English, English"?
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Of course, there are people who share the opinion of said "fanboys" (or whatever you call them) to some degree or other, but for rational reasons. I wonder if even the majority of "fanboys" actually do have good reasons, but their failing is that they can't easily put those accumulated experiences into words...perhaps they've come to that opinion over several years of (mostly) poor experiences and it is more of an "impression" than something they can justify coherantly.
Perhaps, indeed, it is less rational still to label someone who you disagree with as a 'fanboy'...is there a word for such behaviour? Use of the word does seem to be a trend these days.
> The traffic is like none North Americans have ever seen as well; Six rings of highways in Beijing, every road completely jammed with cars at all hours of the day.
That's where I stopped reading. Utter nonsense/hyperbole.
> and definitely have no idea why somebody would rather drop off a broken computer at a store then spend the entire goddamned weekend figuring out which driver update screwed up their system.
I don't recall any such problem on my Ubuntu system. I'm sure I have had such problems in the past, but so long ago that I can't recall them.
On the other had, my wife's iPad won't back up to my wife's MacBook Air (need to do it in order to upgrade) due to some ID problem, so now I have to take both to some Apple store to get some "Genius" to sort them out. TBH, I doubt they will be able to, but we'll see. I've been before to attempt to sort out the crappy battery life on the AIr, which they tested and said it was 'as expected' - but the experience involved much waiting in a crouded noisey shop and not something I really want to repeat, if I can avoid it - which I can't because Apple seem to want to 'think different' (as well as 'spell different').
But, yes, the New Mac Pro does *look* great, at least - and it's been many a year since I thought that about an Apple product. IIRC, even the Apple logo is not "in your face" nearly as much as on their other products.