> Go ahead, try and beat that price and usability > anywhere. Just don't forget to charge $20/hr for > labor if you have to apt-get all the dependencies
What apt-get dependencies? The whole point of apt-get (and cousins) is the fact that it "just works".
You're missing the larger point. Try and find a suite of applications that work like iLife to create a (semi) professional DVD, on any platform. For $50. And are incredibly simple to use. Together.
> just to print right, or get your video card to > run, or to get firewire DV input.
All of these are functions of 3rd party vendor support. Apples aren't particularly good about this either.
I'll give you the printers & video drivers, but are you seriously saying that there's a third party that Apple uses for Firewire?? They invented it, and still license it to every machine that uses it. (Except maybe Sony who I think co-created it)
Apple critics have always criticized where Apple was several years ago without regard to where they are now.
It's $129 for a secure, easy to use OS with dozens of useful, functional apps thrown in. For $50 more, you can get a complete DVD production and burning system (iLife).
Go ahead, try and beat that price and usability anywhere. Just don't forget to charge $20/hr for labor if you have to apt-get all the dependencies just to print right, or get your video card to run, or to get firewire DV input.
I don't know if you saw, hear or read ANYthing about Steve Jobs' announcement on this, but I don't think checking an extra box to support both platforms is going to cost money.
The 10-client OS X server is $499. The client limitation is only restricted on clients connecting via AFP. Any other service - SMB, FTP, HTTP, SSH, DHCP, POP, IMAP, SMTP, etc - is unrestricted.
It's called ZeroConf, or Rendezvous (now Bonjour), and was designed by Apple. And you should see how it works in an OS that understands it well. Zero configuration, indeed!
UDP5353 - Rendesvous - means you have an application listening for mDNS. ie, you've turned on a service/running an application.
UDP514 - syslog - no way this is a default for a client, you must have turned it on for some reason. Maybe to log all the other services your waaaaay non-default box is running?
Again, set up a new machine with a default install, run all the updates or not (doesn't matter), and see how many ports are open from the outside. None, nada, nothing. You have obviously taken your extremely customized box and assumed it's a default install, even though you're obviously running many applications/services that need or turn on ports.
YOUR BOX IS NOT A DEFAULT INSTALL SO DON'T ACT LIKE IT IS!
the Dock is so slow and awkward that it really doesn't.
Yes, it really does work just fine. You can put folders in the Dock and even look in them. Try click and hold.
You also can't have OS X automatically connect to network shares at login like OS 8.5-9.2.2 did.
Yes you can.
System Prefs>Accounts>>Startup Items.
Works every day on 100 machines at work. With no problems.
OS X client comes with NO services turned on by default.
OS X server comes with ONLY ssh turned on by default.
While in Windows, I can use Microsoft's Remote Desktop (for Macs) to remotely control any w2k server or win2k3 because they have those services turned ON by default. Not to mention the half dozen or so other ports open and running by default as well.
However, if you have a dozen or so windows, there's no way to tell which one is which in Windows. But using Expose or a window in the Dock, you can just mouse over it and get a COMPLETE title of the window.
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Here's a good example of how easy iLife can be:
http://www.theappleblog.com/2005/06/22/a-sap
http://www.opendarwin.org/mailman/listinfo/
http://www.opendarwin.org/hardware/
> Go ahead, try and beat that price and usability
> anywhere. Just don't forget to charge $20/hr for
> labor if you have to apt-get all the dependencies
What apt-get dependencies? The whole point of
apt-get (and cousins) is the fact that it "just
works".
You're missing the larger point. Try and find a suite of applications that work like iLife to create a (semi) professional DVD, on any platform. For $50. And are incredibly simple to use. Together.
> just to print right, or get your video card to
> run, or to get firewire DV input.
All of these are functions of 3rd party
vendor support. Apples aren't particularly good
about this either.
I'll give you the printers & video drivers, but are you seriously saying that there's a third party that Apple uses for Firewire?? They invented it, and still license it to every machine that uses it. (Except maybe Sony who I think co-created it)
Apple critics have always criticized where Apple was several years ago without regard to where they are now.
Not cheap??
It's $129 for a secure, easy to use OS with dozens of useful, functional apps thrown in. For $50 more, you can get a complete DVD production and burning system (iLife).
Go ahead, try and beat that price and usability anywhere. Just don't forget to charge $20/hr for labor if you have to apt-get all the dependencies just to print right, or get your video card to run, or to get firewire DV input.
Porting costs money, after all.
I don't know if you saw, hear or read ANYthing about Steve Jobs' announcement on this, but I don't think checking an extra box to support both platforms is going to cost money.
Just my $0.0000001
2 reasons.
Speed - what's the fastest OS 9 booting machine, 1.25 Ghz?
Stability - OS X is light years ahead of OS 9, where rebooting daily is a requirement.
Some AMD systems already run the OS X kernel:
http://www.opendarwin.org/hardware/
Select Systems, AMD, working
Darwin, the kernel of OS X, does run on AMD machines. Probably just a matter of driver support for the pretty interface.
http://www.opendarwin.org/hardware/
Select Systems, AMD, Working and see if that makes you 'much happier'
The 10-client OS X server is $499. The client limitation is only restricted on clients connecting via AFP. Any other service - SMB, FTP, HTTP, SSH, DHCP, POP, IMAP, SMTP, etc - is unrestricted.
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And it's cheaper if you buy it in volume:
http://store.apple.com/AppleStore/WebObjects/BizC
Filemaker is the best small(ish) database out there. Head & shoulders above Access.
Not much different that the 'what existed before the big bang' line of questioning.
:-)
Let's say God created evolution at the big bang, and be done with all the arguing
Now just imagine integrating Spotlight with Google's back end...
And, no, that's not some dirty double entendre.
It's called ZeroConf, or Rendezvous (now Bonjour), and was designed by Apple. And you should see how it works in an OS that understands it well. Zero configuration, indeed!
Say you're welcome to Steve Jobs....again.
Ohhh, oohh, is that an "analogy"?
Cause it's a really, really, really dumb one.
Wow, but that's artifically biased.
I'll leave it up to the reader to come up with at least 5 alternates for blue.
As a simple example, blue light when the water is running out of your water cooled processor.
Now that's not true at all. I want my machine to generate power, which I can then use to run the cake machine.
And the cake machine needs to assemble itself. Preferrably from other cakes.
Keep your hands off my cakes!!
3 days? How many OS X upgrades have you gone through?
Plan on 3 hours. But back up everything!
Ok,
UDP5353 - Rendesvous - means you have an application listening for mDNS. ie, you've turned on a service/running an application.
UDP514 - syslog - no way this is a default for a client, you must have turned it on for some reason. Maybe to log all the other services your waaaaay non-default box is running?
Again, set up a new machine with a default install, run all the updates or not (doesn't matter), and see how many ports are open from the outside. None, nada, nothing. You have obviously taken your extremely customized box and assumed it's a default install, even though you're obviously running many applications/services that need or turn on ports.
YOUR BOX IS NOT A DEFAULT INSTALL SO DON'T ACT LIKE IT IS!
the Dock is so slow and awkward that it really doesn't.
Yes, it really does work just fine. You can put folders in the Dock and even look in them. Try click and hold.
You also can't have OS X automatically connect to network shares at login like OS 8.5-9.2.2 did.
Yes you can.
System Prefs>Accounts>>Startup Items.
Works every day on 100 machines at work. With no problems.
Your box isn't even close to default. You have all kinds of services turned on.
TCP 548 is AFP file sharing
TCP 137 & 139 is freaking NetBIOS!!
UDP 68 is bootp
UDP 631 is Internet Printing Protocol
My box has several ports open, but then I'm running server with SERVICES TURNED ON!
Try doing a port scan from another box on a default OS X install and I'll tell you what you'll see. Nothing.
And just FYI http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers
You're wrong as I suspected.
OS X client comes with NO services turned on by default.
OS X server comes with ONLY ssh turned on by default.
While in Windows, I can use Microsoft's Remote Desktop (for Macs) to remotely control any w2k server or win2k3 because they have those services turned ON by default. Not to mention the half dozen or so other ports open and running by default as well.
Much more effective for about 3 windows.
However, if you have a dozen or so windows, there's no way to tell which one is which in Windows. But using Expose or a window in the Dock, you can just mouse over it and get a COMPLETE title of the window.
Now that is much more effective.
By default, it had no "Internet-reachable external services". And I think this is even true of the server software at the time.
Every service had to be turned on, whether that was downloading additional applications (on the client) or turning services (in the server).
Yeah, cause that'll run on a Mac.