Since I live in Omaha, NE, I'd be there in a heartbeat. I'm still waiting for some sort of computer conference to go on in this area. The KC linux expo had potential, but they screwed up endorsing it, and nobody went.
Why? Just because Microsoft is doing it does not mean we should follow along.
If microsoft does it, companies will use it, when lots of apps use.net and there's no hope of an opensource clone, or it's very difficult to do right, it's going to be rather hard to integrate a linux machine into your office isn't it?
It's not about following along, it's more like we're flanking them. They want to make the internet proprietary, and if nearly every windows user goes along with them, they'll succede, and linux will be useless online. If we develop something to compete, they may not.
Not very well stated, but I'm tired, I'm sure you'll get the idea of what is meant, other posters have said similar things.
As to the point about java/xml, the other post in reply to your's says it very nicely... [aol]Me Too[/aol]
>>> * Inconsistent or bad dependencies. Apps depend on SDL = 1.20 when they should probably depend on SDL >= 1.20
Almost every problem I have in unstable (sid) is due to this. Somebody will upgrade lib xxx 1.2-1 to 1.2-2 (a minor change, like a typo in a man page) but app yyy depends on lib xxx = 1.2-1, even though 1.2-2 would be the exact same thing. It's minor, and it's easy to put on hold and and check back in a few days for it to work, but it's still a constant problem. I'm not a debian maintainer, and it's a minor quible on an unstable distro, so I don't really care.
I occasionaly see a glaring bug (package can't be installed) go on for months (evolution anybody?), but it's rare, and overall, I've been happy running unstable for the past couple years. Yes that's right, years. (When's the last time you ran windows or redhat on the same install for years? It is a modern system, not some kernel 1.2 hacked up system with every package upgraded by hand except for binutils or something.)
I run potato on my stable servers, one of the things I do, is if I need a more recent version of a package (postfix and proftpd as an example) because I need features. I download the sources from debian, and the latest sources from the real maintainers. Pick through the pkg/debian/ directory, and basicly repackage the app/lib without doing all the work by hand again. This is only IF I can't get the package from unstable and make it work with potato. (I keep a vmware image around with a basic potato install to break like crazy). I keep an apt source on a server, and use it to keep my stable boxen happy with my customized packages. Not to mention, apt-get is really handy with something like say, a custom app on 15 boxen. Make a deb, put your line in sources.list, and upgrade the box when your version changes. It helps you avoid the problem of needing to upgrade very quickly when you miss a bug and put some code into production (hey, people can only test so well...).
I can't comment on how other system's apt-get/dpkg work alikes are, but for debian's overall stability, integration, and packaging system, I'm very very happy with it, both on production machines, and giant gushing cut bleeding edge workstations.
Anway, I'm bordering on completly offtopic (I probobly passed that a while ago).
Like i said, it was a possible troll.:) Feel free to just ignore that part of the post.
I was just pointing out what could happen, if not with this bios, but maybe a future one... You never know... I'd be right there in the riot with you if it ever happened. Kind of an odd comment comming from somebody with an antioffline email address.
According to the thread linked to in the story, if the computer boots up with a cool new screen, it's probobly this new BIOS.
The following venders have signed up: AOpen, Chaintech, ECS, EpoX, Giga-Byte, Jetway, Legend-QDI, MSI, Soltek and Zida. Notice no ABit:)
<possible troll> (but I don't think so...)
It was interesting to read in that thread also, that this could bypass the OS level networking code, and use it's own stuff. I don't think I could imagine the destruction that would be cause by millions of PCs with a backdoor/hole/bug in their firmware, that could easily be remotely exploited. If you thought DDOS attacks were bad now, you ain't seen nothing yet.
</possible troll>
I didn't notice anything about being able to actually turn this off in the BIOS. There is allready talk of using a hex editor to disable it... Just what we need, buggy roms because the vendor does what people don't want.
slsahdot.org just keeps a counter of who commited a typo error. It's owned by "Patrick Michael Kane (SLSAHDOT-DOM)" I'm not sure if that's the same 'Micheal' from slashdot. Does anybody know anything else about this, or if slashdot (or the OSDN/VA people) want to go after them?
Personally, I kinda like the site... It's funny to see how many other people typed slashdot.org wrong that day.
For those browsers without the plugin, a simple checkbox in the "preferences" tab could be added to send back demographic info on the number of users interested in P3P support for their browser.
Why is it that a checkbox in the prefs, that sends back demographics about wanting privacy support, seem a bit odd to me?
A few scientists decided it would be cool to split atoms a while ago... Look where that got us.
Now we're learning how to make a supernova. I have a feeling nukes will look like firecrackers compared to these things.
Has anybody really thought about the weapon possibility of this? It would take alot of nukes to destroy our planet. I'm guessing one of these could take out our planet, and really screw up the moon at the same time.
Even if nobody uses one as a weapon, what if somebody screws up? Oops there goes earth. Remember early on in the nuclear experiments they were afraid the chain reaction would spread through the earth and destroy it the first time they set off a bomb. That's why they had them explode a bit off the ground. We got lucky then and it turned out it didn't work like we were afraid it would. What if we're not so lucky this time?
I really wish discover wasn't getting slashdoted so I could read more.
From what I understand, linux running on these mainframes is just like linux on your desktop, except that there are several copies running at once.
So, using this, I just like using any other linux machine, and it closely resembles a typical ppc machine. Why do you need an account on a machine like this that's shared with 1000 other users if you can just see if your app compiles on a ppc machine.
They don't actually say if ibm is going to offer anything special. The big appeal with using a machine like this is the high speed internal networking, being able to run a firewall, 5 web servers, 4 app servers, and 2 databases, all on the same machine, but under different operating systems, or use it for mass virtual computer hosting. I don't think that's going to happen with a free acount.
I tried something similar out at a macworld several years ago. They were controlling a sega racing game with thoughts. You wore something on your head to control the speed, and steered like normal. As I recall, you got calmed down to speed it up, and got mad to slow it down.
A friend who was with with me said it best, when he thought about his girlfriend, the car sped up. When he thought about his job in tech support, it came to a screeching halt.
1) Lots of people running grub means that they don't have to spend money on bandwidth to index sites, they get nice indexed data for free. Sure it's nice for them, but it seems like a kind of lame thing to do, I wonder how this will set with people.
2) What if I modify/run their GPL software to index my collection of web pages, and I return indexes that contain pages that aren't really there to taint their search engine with my 10,000 non-existant pr0n pages. Do they have a way around that problem?
3) Userland's editthispage.com and weblogs.com stopped allowing certain bots to index them because they were being abusive. Google was accidently blocked, but they were being nice. But still, the load of Google crawling all those pages is huge. Grub says they can crawl every page on the internet every day. What kind of load will this cause? The faq says your client will only do part of the internet, so you won't have everybody hitting your site daily, but I'm wondering what kind of flaws exist in that logic. Could this result in huge loads on webservers like the slashdot effect or a DDOS?
Does anybody remember the video walls in that book? This is exactly how I pictured them. To bad nothing was mentioned about playing quake.
I wonder if in the future people addicted to this sort of thing will spent a large chunk of their salary on buying one. Just like in the book, and just like people do now with their entertainment centers.
It's eerie how books like this one and 1984 and come true. At least some of the stuff seems cool on the surface tho.
I havn't tunneled full tcp/ip, but I often set up services on http/https ports to get past a certain over-restrictive firewall. Gotta wonder what the people at the network center are thinking when they see an ssl connection open for 4 hours.
I live in Omaha, NE, and have a cable modem. I also have a power line. I wrote a program that graphs how often my cable modem link is down (by pinging the gateway, and a few next hop sites on the @home network to see if i can even get out of the city) Yah know what? In the 6 months I've been doing it, my g3 running linux has never been rebooted, meaning the power hasn't even flickered. But my app says that I've had over 20 hours without internet access. This is @home, but it's the same service as @work but capped. So much for power being less reliable than cable. I'm sure some DSL users have had more problems than me, after all the horror stories I've heard of people going weeks without access.
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I agree completly. MacOS using something like bundles on it's dual fork file system (Data fork, Resource fork). I don't know why anybody hasn't came up with something like this yet for unix. It wouldn't be to hard I'd think, but then again, I've never really thought about it.
I'm not saying I want a dual fork file system, but bundles would be nice. I believe apple has improved on bundles alot in OsX, perhaps the linux community could stand to learn a thing or two about how OsX works and adopt some features in Gnome/KDE.
Of course, you can always manually import a root CA, but this is generally beyond the scope of Joe Six-Pack just trying to login to check his stock quotes.
Granted, we're not exactly joe six pack, but we're comprable to a large corp. In the air force's ACC, we import our own root CA, almost all our trafic on internal websites is over ssl, even tho it's unclassified. I get my latest news on what's going on in the command over ssl, along with news on when the base picnic is. A few hundred certs for ssl on an intranet is expensive, so it makes sense to include another CA in our custom distributed IE anyway.
I just wish digital signature and secure email were everywhere, that would make the possibility of a paperless office that much closer to reality.
If I just want to secure my personal web site (webmail, zope editing system, login page, etc) ala sourceforge's use of https, or secure my imap connection, why do I need to pay a few hundred dollars? Why can't I just use a $30 personal ssl cert, that's only good for so much trafic. I don't think the 10 or so time's a day I'd be checking the cert would really cost $300+ a year. And, the large number of users paying $30 vs not paying $300 would make up for the possible loss/slim profits from doing a check on a $30 cert.
SSL is used for more than commerce. I use imap over ssl daily, but I use a self signed cert, I'd be nice to give my friends access and not have the security warning. I'm not going to a few hundred a year just so I can have security, so I do it halfway... Also, I use https to secure webmail when I'm not at home, but, it's not completly secure because of a self signed cert. Sourceforge uses ssl to log in, but they're not exactly selling thier open source software.
Not everythign on the internet is for making money.
It's obvious because that's what cookies were designed to do. The server sets a cookie on your computer so it knows who you are. This allows the server to say 'Welcome back!', or so you don't have to type in your password.... or... or... maybe... so you don't have to type in your cc# and address?
C'mon, this is an obvious use, it's like patenting a method for using a database to store information.
These cables aren't 'blown', they're layed with a robot who inserts a ring inside the pipe, and then attaches the small metal pipe that the fiber goes in.
The small pipe is used to prevent things like rats, even though there aren't many in these kind of smaller pipes they use, and corosion.
After all that is layed, then the fiber is 'blown' through the small pipes. (I believe, they may just do it all at once)
When I move, they wont need to rewire my house for DSL, I'm moving right next to one of the switching stations and will plug my CAT-5 cable directly into their system!
I know of an ISP in Kansas City that did this, their building was right next to one of the main telco switches. It was rather nice, because when the telco screwed up, they could just go pound on the entrance to the building and yell at somebody in person.
Back on topic of this reply, broadband will always be a consideration for my housing, after having a cable modem I can never go back. I'd probobly have nightmares or something. (cringe)
Slashdot Mirror
It looks like the lawyer and the law firm exist according to anywho.com
n e= 564-1600&btnsubmit.x=42&btnsubmit.y=6
r &f irstname=David+Atty&street=&city=&state=GA&zip=&bt nsubmit.x=36&btnsubmit.y=10
For the goatse scared, here are the links..
A reverse search on the phone number 770-564-1600:
http://www.anywho.com/qry/wp_rl?npa=770&telepho
A search for Joyner, David Atty:
http://www.anywho.com/qry/wp_fap?lastname=Joyne
Make sure you delete the spaces slashdot puts in...
Since I live in Omaha, NE, I'd be there in a heartbeat. I'm still waiting for some sort of computer conference to go on in this area. The KC linux expo had potential, but they screwed up endorsing it, and nobody went.
Why? Just because Microsoft is doing it does not mean we should follow along.
.net and there's no hope of an opensource clone, or it's very difficult to do right, it's going to be rather hard to integrate a linux machine into your office isn't it?
If microsoft does it, companies will use it, when lots of apps use
It's not about following along, it's more like we're flanking them. They want to make the internet proprietary, and if nearly every windows user goes along with them, they'll succede, and linux will be useless online. If we develop something to compete, they may not.
Not very well stated, but I'm tired, I'm sure you'll get the idea of what is meant, other posters have said similar things.
As to the point about java/xml, the other post in reply to your's says it very nicely... [aol]Me Too[/aol]
>>> * Inconsistent or bad dependencies. Apps depend on SDL = 1.20 when they should probably depend on SDL >= 1.20
Almost every problem I have in unstable (sid) is due to this. Somebody will upgrade lib xxx 1.2-1 to 1.2-2 (a minor change, like a typo in a man page) but app yyy depends on lib xxx = 1.2-1, even though 1.2-2 would be the exact same thing. It's minor, and it's easy to put on hold and and check back in a few days for it to work, but it's still a constant problem. I'm not a debian maintainer, and it's a minor quible on an unstable distro, so I don't really care.
I occasionaly see a glaring bug (package can't be installed) go on for months (evolution anybody?), but it's rare, and overall, I've been happy running unstable for the past couple years. Yes that's right, years. (When's the last time you ran windows or redhat on the same install for years? It is a modern system, not some kernel 1.2 hacked up system with every package upgraded by hand except for binutils or something.)
I run potato on my stable servers, one of the things I do, is if I need a more recent version of a package (postfix and proftpd as an example) because I need features. I download the sources from debian, and the latest sources from the real maintainers. Pick through the pkg/debian/ directory, and basicly repackage the app/lib without doing all the work by hand again. This is only IF I can't get the package from unstable and make it work with potato. (I keep a vmware image around with a basic potato install to break like crazy). I keep an apt source on a server, and use it to keep my stable boxen happy with my customized packages. Not to mention, apt-get is really handy with something like say, a custom app on 15 boxen. Make a deb, put your line in sources.list, and upgrade the box when your version changes. It helps you avoid the problem of needing to upgrade very quickly when you miss a bug and put some code into production (hey, people can only test so well...).
I can't comment on how other system's apt-get/dpkg work alikes are, but for debian's overall stability, integration, and packaging system, I'm very very happy with it, both on production machines, and giant gushing cut bleeding edge workstations.
Anway, I'm bordering on completly offtopic (I probobly passed that a while ago).
Like i said, it was a possible troll. :) Feel free to just ignore that part of the post.
I was just pointing out what could happen, if not with this bios, but maybe a future one... You never know... I'd be right there in the riot with you if it ever happened. Kind of an odd comment comming from somebody with an antioffline email address.
I doubt it could be done, but it would be very cool. A truely awesome hack. I'd pitch in for some beer for whoever does it.
I wonder if any motherboard makers are thinking about LinuxBIOS...
According to the thread linked to in the story, if the computer boots up with a cool new screen, it's probobly this new BIOS.
:)
The following venders have signed up: AOpen, Chaintech, ECS, EpoX, Giga-Byte, Jetway, Legend-QDI, MSI, Soltek and Zida. Notice no ABit
<possible troll> (but I don't think so...)
It was interesting to read in that thread also, that this could bypass the OS level networking code, and use it's own stuff. I don't think I could imagine the destruction that would be cause by millions of PCs with a backdoor/hole/bug in their firmware, that could easily be remotely exploited. If you thought DDOS attacks were bad now, you ain't seen nothing yet.
</possible troll>
I didn't notice anything about being able to actually turn this off in the BIOS. There is allready talk of using a hex editor to disable it... Just what we need, buggy roms because the vendor does what people don't want.
slsahdot.org just keeps a counter of who commited a typo error. It's owned by "Patrick Michael Kane (SLSAHDOT-DOM)" I'm not sure if that's the same 'Micheal' from slashdot. Does anybody know anything else about this, or if slashdot (or the OSDN/VA people) want to go after them?
Personally, I kinda like the site... It's funny to see how many other people typed slashdot.org wrong that day.
It wasn't meant as a response to your troll, it was supposed to be an attempt at humor.
You know... sending back data about privacy... ha ha... Apparently nobody got it though, oh well.
Why is it that a checkbox in the prefs, that sends back demographics about wanting privacy support, seem a bit odd to me?
A few scientists decided it would be cool to split atoms a while ago... Look where that got us.
Now we're learning how to make a supernova. I have a feeling nukes will look like firecrackers compared to these things.
Has anybody really thought about the weapon possibility of this? It would take alot of nukes to destroy our planet. I'm guessing one of these could take out our planet, and really screw up the moon at the same time.
Even if nobody uses one as a weapon, what if somebody screws up? Oops there goes earth. Remember early on in the nuclear experiments they were afraid the chain reaction would spread through the earth and destroy it the first time they set off a bomb. That's why they had them explode a bit off the ground. We got lucky then and it turned out it didn't work like we were afraid it would. What if we're not so lucky this time?
I really wish discover wasn't getting slashdoted so I could read more.
From what I understand, linux running on these mainframes is just like linux on your desktop, except that there are several copies running at once.
So, using this, I just like using any other linux machine, and it closely resembles a typical ppc machine. Why do you need an account on a machine like this that's shared with 1000 other users if you can just see if your app compiles on a ppc machine.
They don't actually say if ibm is going to offer anything special. The big appeal with using a machine like this is the high speed internal networking, being able to run a firewall, 5 web servers, 4 app servers, and 2 databases, all on the same machine, but under different operating systems, or use it for mass virtual computer hosting. I don't think that's going to happen with a free acount.
So what's so special about this?
I tried something similar out at a macworld several years ago. They were controlling a sega racing game with thoughts. You wore something on your head to control the speed, and steered like normal. As I recall, you got calmed down to speed it up, and got mad to slow it down.
A friend who was with with me said it best, when he thought about his girlfriend, the car sped up. When he thought about his job in tech support, it came to a screeching halt.
I have a few 'issues' with this.
1) Lots of people running grub means that they don't have to spend money on bandwidth to index sites, they get nice indexed data for free. Sure it's nice for them, but it seems like a kind of lame thing to do, I wonder how this will set with people.
2) What if I modify/run their GPL software to index my collection of web pages, and I return indexes that contain pages that aren't really there to taint their search engine with my 10,000 non-existant pr0n pages. Do they have a way around that problem?
3) Userland's editthispage.com and weblogs.com stopped allowing certain bots to index them because they were being abusive. Google was accidently blocked, but they were being nice. But still, the load of Google crawling all those pages is huge. Grub says they can crawl every page on the internet every day. What kind of load will this cause? The faq says your client will only do part of the internet, so you won't have everybody hitting your site daily, but I'm wondering what kind of flaws exist in that logic. Could this result in huge loads on webservers like the slashdot effect or a DDOS?
Does anybody remember the video walls in that book? This is exactly how I pictured them. To bad nothing was mentioned about playing quake.
I wonder if in the future people addicted to this sort of thing will spent a large chunk of their salary on buying one. Just like in the book, and just like people do now with their entertainment centers.
It's eerie how books like this one and 1984 and come true. At least some of the stuff seems cool on the surface tho.
I havn't tunneled full tcp/ip, but I often set up services on http/https ports to get past a certain over-restrictive firewall. Gotta wonder what the people at the network center are thinking when they see an ssl connection open for 4 hours.
I live in Omaha, NE, and have a cable modem. I also have a power line. I wrote a program that graphs how often my cable modem link is down (by pinging the gateway, and a few next hop sites on the @home network to see if i can even get out of the city) Yah know what? In the 6 months I've been doing it, my g3 running linux has never been rebooted, meaning the power hasn't even flickered. But my app says that I've had over 20 hours without internet access. This is @home, but it's the same service as @work but capped. So much for power being less reliable than cable. I'm sure some DSL users have had more problems than me, after all the horror stories I've heard of people going weeks without access.
The correct URL is probobly http://www.everybuddy.com.
I agree completly. MacOS using something like bundles on it's dual fork file system (Data fork, Resource fork). I don't know why anybody hasn't came up with something like this yet for unix. It wouldn't be to hard I'd think, but then again, I've never really thought about it.
I'm not saying I want a dual fork file system, but bundles would be nice. I believe apple has improved on bundles alot in OsX, perhaps the linux community could stand to learn a thing or two about how OsX works and adopt some features in Gnome/KDE.
Of course, you can always manually import a root CA, but this is generally beyond the scope of Joe Six-Pack just trying to login to check his stock quotes.
Granted, we're not exactly joe six pack, but we're comprable to a large corp. In the air force's ACC, we import our own root CA, almost all our trafic on internal websites is over ssl, even tho it's unclassified. I get my latest news on what's going on in the command over ssl, along with news on when the base picnic is. A few hundred certs for ssl on an intranet is expensive, so it makes sense to include another CA in our custom distributed IE anyway.
I just wish digital signature and secure email were everywhere, that would make the possibility of a paperless office that much closer to reality.
If I just want to secure my personal web site (webmail, zope editing system, login page, etc) ala sourceforge's use of https, or secure my imap connection, why do I need to pay a few hundred dollars? Why can't I just use a $30 personal ssl cert, that's only good for so much trafic. I don't think the 10 or so time's a day I'd be checking the cert would really cost $300+ a year. And, the large number of users paying $30 vs not paying $300 would make up for the possible loss/slim profits from doing a check on a $30 cert.
SSL is used for more than commerce. I use imap over ssl daily, but I use a self signed cert, I'd be nice to give my friends access and not have the security warning. I'm not going to a few hundred a year just so I can have security, so I do it halfway... Also, I use https to secure webmail when I'm not at home, but, it's not completly secure because of a self signed cert. Sourceforge uses ssl to log in, but they're not exactly selling thier open source software.
Not everythign on the internet is for making money.
It's obvious because that's what cookies were designed to do. The server sets a cookie on your computer so it knows who you are. This allows the server to say 'Welcome back!', or so you don't have to type in your password.... or... or... maybe... so you don't have to type in your cc# and address?
C'mon, this is an obvious use, it's like patenting a method for using a database to store information.
These cables aren't 'blown', they're layed with a robot who inserts a ring inside the pipe, and then attaches the small metal pipe that the fiber goes in.
The small pipe is used to prevent things like rats, even though there aren't many in these kind of smaller pipes they use, and corosion.
After all that is layed, then the fiber is 'blown' through the small pipes. (I believe, they may just do it all at once)
There's alot of information on their website.
When I move, they wont need to rewire my house for DSL, I'm moving right next to one of the switching stations and will plug my CAT-5 cable directly into their system!
I know of an ISP in Kansas City that did this, their building was right next to one of the main telco switches. It was rather nice, because when the telco screwed up, they could just go pound on the entrance to the building and yell at somebody in person.
Back on topic of this reply, broadband will always be a consideration for my housing, after having a cable modem I can never go back. I'd probobly have nightmares or something. (cringe)