First off.. I have to crib about how all posts by Indians in this concern on slashdot are always mod down. Why is it that an open-forum with such high repute as/. seems to be biased against posts from the other side?
As far as the issue of outsourcing itself goes.. I am not going to say "products" coming out of India are "better" or even "on par" to those which come out of the US. Personally I think Germany is far ahead of both India and the US on that respect. I have for the last year or so been working for a company in India while i take a break from school (UG in Michigan - Computer Science ofcourse), and I have noticed on several occasions that programmers here use techniques which would definately be frowned upon by "gurus" from ANY part of the world. And their communication conduits with their western clients is not close to being adequate. The manager of the Information Services department of my company cant frame a proper sentence in english without any gramatical errors if his life depended on it (which it should if you ask me). This has inadvertently on many occasions resulted in changes having to be made on the software over and over.. on many occasions the same change being communicated many times and mis-interpreted over and over. Has everyone forgotten that HP withdrew some of its operations from India just because of "language barriers"?
But on the other hand you also have some indigenous indian companies with high repute (some which are fortune 500 companies) which have consistently churned out quality code for a long time now.
The fact of the matter is the same wether you take the US or India... some of the work is good some isnt. The only thing that is pulling the jobs to India is the cost, and not everyone in India is totally overjoyed by it.. some of us do feel for our counterparts in the US.. its called humanity. Sorry guys but people here need to make a living too.
If you actually take a look at the figures, it is the middle-class that actually pays the bulk of the taxes in the country. Wouldnt reducing their pay/exporting their jobs in some way reduce the amount of tax money that the country actually makes? Would you not think that the imputent slobs with their dirty inheritences (err umm bush?) and their campaign contributions (equally dirty if not more) realize this? No im not american. I happen to be Indian. But I agree with all the people here who seem drastically annoyed with the course of events. If its happenin to yuo today, it could happen to me tomorrow.
First of.. the notion that the Indo-Pak rift is anything but religious is hard to sell if you acutally was to speak within closed hindu or muslim circles with utmost their confidence. I have on several occasions had the displeasure of listening to people who are quite liberal on the outside but take extremist stands when in the closed confines and safety of their four walls.
I am myself a non-practicing hindu, and i hope i am one of the "enlightened" ones on this matter. And I'm actually quite un-patriotic, guess I have become far too self centered in recent times.
On the perspective of american loyalists trying to be-little almost every story that has come forth about technological advancements from India or for that matter any 3rd world country, try to think of current stories as foundations towards greater advancements and you will prolly see it in a much different light. True, Indians have never been too famous for their time sence or for that matter their table manners.:)
The brahmos isnt built for long range assaults (YET) but whos to say they arnt already working on long range versions of it. Afterall, all previous missle technologies that have come out in India have just been a sort of preliminary towards the next big one to come.
As for the quality of work that goes into products coming out of India. True a lot of commercial products made in India are sub standard. However, they have atleast in recent years shown a balance in the level of quality and cost effectiveness atleast in their Defence oriented products.
And for those who seem to wanna bring up the nuclear issue or the armament race between India and Pakistan. It never seems to be a point made that most of the recent defence technology being developed has been indigenous or atmost in colaboration with Russia, whereas pakistan has almost always bought its technology (mainly from the US by the way).
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First off.. I have to crib about how all posts by Indians in this concern on slashdot are always mod down. Why is it that an open-forum with such high repute as /. seems to be biased against posts from the other side?
As far as the issue of outsourcing itself goes.. I am not going to say "products" coming out of India are "better" or even "on par" to those which come out of the US. Personally I think Germany is far ahead of both India and the US on that respect. I have for the last year or so been working for a company in India while i take a break from school (UG in Michigan - Computer Science ofcourse), and I have noticed on several occasions that programmers here use techniques which would definately be frowned upon by "gurus" from ANY part of the world. And their communication conduits with their western clients is not close to being adequate. The manager of the Information Services department of my company cant frame a proper sentence in english without any gramatical errors if his life depended on it (which it should if you ask me). This has inadvertently on many occasions resulted in changes having to be made on the software over and over.. on many occasions the same change being communicated many times and mis-interpreted over and over. Has everyone forgotten that HP withdrew some of its operations from India just because of "language barriers"?
But on the other hand you also have some indigenous indian companies with high repute (some which are fortune 500 companies) which have consistently churned out quality code for a long time now.
The fact of the matter is the same wether you take the US or India... some of the work is good some isnt. The only thing that is pulling the jobs to India is the cost, and not everyone in India is totally overjoyed by it.. some of us do feel for our counterparts in the US.. its called humanity. Sorry guys but people here need to make a living too.
If you actually take a look at the figures, it is the middle-class that actually pays the bulk of the taxes in the country. Wouldnt reducing their pay/exporting their jobs in some way reduce the amount of tax money that the country actually makes? Would you not think that the imputent slobs with their dirty inheritences (err umm bush?) and their campaign contributions (equally dirty if not more) realize this? No im not american. I happen to be Indian. But I agree with all the people here who seem drastically annoyed with the course of events. If its happenin to yuo today, it could happen to me tomorrow.
ahem anandtech happens to have been started by an indian. in case you didnt know or realize anand is an indian no its not an-and-tech ;)
First of.. the notion that the Indo-Pak rift is anything but religious is hard to sell if you acutally was to speak within closed hindu or muslim circles with utmost their confidence. I have on several occasions had the displeasure of listening to people who are quite liberal on the outside but take extremist stands when in the closed confines and safety of their four walls. I am myself a non-practicing hindu, and i hope i am one of the "enlightened" ones on this matter. And I'm actually quite un-patriotic, guess I have become far too self centered in recent times. On the perspective of american loyalists trying to be-little almost every story that has come forth about technological advancements from India or for that matter any 3rd world country, try to think of current stories as foundations towards greater advancements and you will prolly see it in a much different light. True, Indians have never been too famous for their time sence or for that matter their table manners. :)
The brahmos isnt built for long range assaults (YET) but whos to say they arnt already working on long range versions of it. Afterall, all previous missle technologies that have come out in India have just been a sort of preliminary towards the next big one to come.
As for the quality of work that goes into products coming out of India. True a lot of commercial products made in India are sub standard. However, they have atleast in recent years shown a balance in the level of quality and cost effectiveness atleast in their Defence oriented products.
And for those who seem to wanna bring up the nuclear issue or the armament race between India and Pakistan. It never seems to be a point made that most of the recent defence technology being developed has been indigenous or atmost in colaboration with Russia, whereas pakistan has almost always bought its technology (mainly from the US by the way).