And their code is not allowed to be in the kernel. Where do they get restitution? Unfortunately, that's from the businesses receiving the benefits of that, like IBM. Of course, it isn't right to do that either, as IBM didn't submit that code. I'd say sue the coders that submitted the code, but that's rediculous too, as they couldn't possibly make up for whatever SCO lost.
So I propose a solution. Eliminate SCO! Then we're all happy. Actually I don't see a solution that will satisfy all involved.
One last point, and perhaps it's nitpicking, but SCO isn't technically charging to use Linux, they're charging to use their code in Linux. That code cannot be relicensed under the GPL just because someone sent it in, unless SCO consents to that. This whole situation reeks of hypocrisy and money-grubbing greed, and it sickens me.
Have any proof? I'm not pro-SCO, but all I've heard so far to back this claim up is that SCO is charging or attempting to charge [corporate!] Linux users for licenses. While I agree this is bullshit, they have a valid point (should it ever be proven) that their code was submitted to the Linux kernel without permission.
But for those that read the transcript of the Darl interview posted on/. recently, SCO won't inform the Linux community what code is [supposedly] violating SCO's copyright. This is being done because if SCO exposes which lines of code they are, they expose the code itself, which then makes their claims against IBM moot. Right now, no one but SCO and (potentially) IBM (and any NDA-signers) know exactly what code is supposedly copied.
If the GPL can't be enforced, what would give legitimacy to other types of license agreements? Magic? Wormholes from another dimension? Nothing says that an agreement between two or more parties has to fit some arbitrary business "standard" that happens to suit the likes of Forbe's suits
Re-read the post. He's already using Exchange, he's only using Sendmail for routing. With his next upgrade, he wants to eliminate Sendmail and use Exchange for the routing, AS WELL AS the calendar/groupware/project/etc functionality already in Exchange.
In retrospect, I think you're right. I guess I run into the same thing a lot of Linux gurus run into, in that I've been using it (Windows) so long, that I see no problem there. I will redirect my point a little though, in that the Mac definitely carries usability as a major weapon. I don't think I've ever had someone ask me a question about a mac that I didn't answer in five minutes for them, using built-in help. And I'm not a mac person. I've used OS X for about 20 minutes total. That, to me, says a lot about the simplicity of the OS. At the same time, I can draw on all of my Windows experience to find a quicker answer.
Ugh, rambling now. Ultimately, if Linux had the same ease of usability that mac had, it'd be a no-brainer. And I think [hope] we can get there eventually.
Spot on...as soon as buying, using, and maintaining a Linux PC is as easy as a mac, Linux will be a viable alternative.
It's arguable that the same would be true if Linux were as easy as Windows, but parts of the Linux desktop are getting there. But at that point, that still makes Linux an alternative, but maybe not the best one for some people.
One of the bigger problems I can see with Linux for the masses is the fact that there isn't enough abstraction for the user. No one I have talked to about this subject knows, wants to know, or gives a flying f*** how the OS really works. They want it to just work, out of the box, without spending hours reading TFMs. Geeks thrive on that though, and many of us don't want an OS like this, we like getting our hands, wrists, elbows, and sometimes waists dirty diving into the system.
I'd say we just have to find the middle-ground where we can put up a small wall, one side of which is usability and simplicity across the board. The other, the nuts and bolts for those in-the-know to play with.
I just got PocketWarrior working with my PPC/DLink 660W using DLink's "beta" drivers on their website. Just go to DLink.com and search for drivers for the 660W and download the driver for PPC2002. You'll need to reset, but it's a nicer driver. Still no option to assign multiple IP configs though.
I have this card on an ipaq h2215, and the older driver has a signal-strength indicator built in, but I haven't found a PPC app that will let me do traffic sniffing/kismet/snort stuff yet. There are two or three apps, but they support only one or two cards. If you go with the Zaurus, you will not be left wanting more software (comparatively, at least.)
As an aside, I am extremely happy with my 2215. It's the size of my Palm m515, fast, great screen/color, etc. My Zaurus-owning friend was rather jealous of the size.
I have yet to look into Linux-on-PPC stuff yet, though. Not sure if it's feasible or not. Anyone experienced with this?
We use Alexsys TEAM for support tickets, SE tickets, feature requests, our Accounts Payable unit uses it to track issue invoices, our Business Applications uses it to track their issue/feature requests, etc. It can be set up to allow website entry, and you can do a lot of customization, both on the front end and the back end.
It's not designed specifically for this purpose, but it suits our needs fairly well.
My favorite pencil has always been drafting pencils with the knurled metal grip. But they get stolen (I've had three taken) and they're expensive ($12 each) so I've stopped using them.
My guess would be pressure. If you press too hard with a pen (on a suitable writing surface) you don't do anything to your pen or your paper (unless you're really pressing hard...)
With a pencil, your pressure has to be even and light, which will force your penmanship to be smoother so you don't have drastic changes in pressure, lest you break off your lead.
Just a guess on my part, but makes sense. (BTW, the same is true for my penmanship vs. pencil-manship.)
I used those (Pilot G2s) for awhile until I found Pilot's VBallGrip pens. These things are great, IMO. A bit larger than uni-balls or regular Pilot VBall pens, and a real tip like the VBall, not like the pin-tipped kinds (several of which, I've broken.)
Similar to this, I have several Compaq scsi drives with an SCA (I think) connector and a scsi card with normal dba-looking connectors. The SCA (or whatever it is) connector includes power. I found adapters to make it work without the Compaq drive sleds that the drives were in previously (when used in servers.) Online, three adapters were about $15. I got a fourth drive later and rather than wait for a fourth adapter online, I went to my local geek shop. Well, they had them there, but for about $35. And the one I bought there was much crappier than the ones I bought online (bigger, cheaper plastic.)
No. Learn to debate or at least illustrate your viewpoint clearly before you criticize someone. And don't be such a dick, there are enough of those around as it is. If nothing else, STFU if you can't respond with more than ten words.
And I don't know if you just didn't read my post, or missed this, but I am desktop support. Not a GW admin. If it's set up wrong, blame my admins, not me. I personally do not like GroupWise, and a lot of my customers complain about it. That is what I was saying. If you read anything else into it, get over it.
This is part of the problem though, our policy doesn't state users should put files wherever, and it states specifically that users should not install any software without permission/having IS install it. Our system engineers (I'm helpdesk) don't have the policies set up right to deny these rights. In fact, our Guest accounts have admin access right now as well. Rediculous I know, but I'm not in a position to research it, let alone correct it.
Our system has a system volume and post office volume that groupwise runs on. After 30 days, messages get archived and moved to a user directory on a file server elsewhere. Our clients can access the archive volume via a mapped drive (could be done any number of ways though, I think.)
If a client is remotely connected via GW web though, there is no link back to the archive, allowing the person to research a message history or something. (We deal with a fair amount of contracts and negotiations via email correspondance.) If the users can't get at that archive, it limits what they can do from home or remotely.
Thanks. That really tells me a lot about what you think. Comments like this always help me clarify what I'm saying and encourage me to be clearer and less biased.
Even if I am a moron, at least I can formulate my thoughts into more than three words while still saying something.
Well, I work at a University, so no HS students. That also means we have PCs in around 40 buildings. And our users don't adhere to the "don't put crap on the local hard drive" policy, and many of them put work-related stuff there, so we can't just say "too bad."
Also, our hardware is not all identical, and each unit pays for their own PCs from their budget code, so we can't pay for identical spares for them to have. We do keep some old PCs as emergency loaners though.
In our situation, I think lightweight clients would save a lot. But if we were a normal company in one building with one IT budget, what you said makes sense as far as imaging, etc.
Fewer hardware failures, no more reimaging a workstation that a user fu**ed, less workstation administration, (all centrally worked on the servers now) this stuff alone could save my own organization quite a bit. Our own custom app and our CAD users would still cause headaches, but that's something I could handle alone, without my three full-time coworkers. And for all the complaining I do about GroupWise, we don't get many calls on it apart from people saying "you know that email I wasn't supposed to open?...I opened it." kinda things.
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So I propose a solution. Eliminate SCO! Then we're all happy. Actually I don't see a solution that will satisfy all involved.
One last point, and perhaps it's nitpicking, but SCO isn't technically charging to use Linux, they're charging to use their code in Linux. That code cannot be relicensed under the GPL just because someone sent it in, unless SCO consents to that. This whole situation reeks of hypocrisy and money-grubbing greed, and it sickens me.
But for those that read the transcript of the Darl interview posted on /. recently, SCO won't inform the Linux community what code is [supposedly] violating SCO's copyright. This is being done because if SCO exposes which lines of code they are, they expose the code itself, which then makes their claims against IBM moot. Right now, no one but SCO and (potentially) IBM (and any NDA-signers) know exactly what code is supposedly copied.
Re-read the post. He's already using Exchange, he's only using Sendmail for routing. With his next upgrade, he wants to eliminate Sendmail and use Exchange for the routing, AS WELL AS the calendar/groupware/project/etc functionality already in Exchange.
I think hell just froze over. Or at least got a good frost.
Ugh, rambling now. Ultimately, if Linux had the same ease of usability that mac had, it'd be a no-brainer. And I think [hope] we can get there eventually.
It's arguable that the same would be true if Linux were as easy as Windows, but parts of the Linux desktop are getting there. But at that point, that still makes Linux an alternative, but maybe not the best one for some people.
One of the bigger problems I can see with Linux for the masses is the fact that there isn't enough abstraction for the user. No one I have talked to about this subject knows, wants to know, or gives a flying f*** how the OS really works. They want it to just work, out of the box, without spending hours reading TFMs. Geeks thrive on that though, and many of us don't want an OS like this, we like getting our hands, wrists, elbows, and sometimes waists dirty diving into the system.
I'd say we just have to find the middle-ground where we can put up a small wall, one side of which is usability and simplicity across the board. The other, the nuts and bolts for those in-the-know to play with.
And if worse came to worse, you can install Linux on your mac hardware.
I just got PocketWarrior working with my PPC/DLink 660W using DLink's "beta" drivers on their website. Just go to DLink.com and search for drivers for the 660W and download the driver for PPC2002. You'll need to reset, but it's a nicer driver. Still no option to assign multiple IP configs though.
Correlation is not causation.
As an aside, I am extremely happy with my 2215. It's the size of my Palm m515, fast, great screen/color, etc. My Zaurus-owning friend was rather jealous of the size.
I have yet to look into Linux-on-PPC stuff yet, though. Not sure if it's feasible or not. Anyone experienced with this?
It's not designed specifically for this purpose, but it suits our needs fairly well.
Ever have to reboot it?
My favorite pencil has always been drafting pencils with the knurled metal grip. But they get stolen (I've had three taken) and they're expensive ($12 each) so I've stopped using them.
With a pencil, your pressure has to be even and light, which will force your penmanship to be smoother so you don't have drastic changes in pressure, lest you break off your lead.
Just a guess on my part, but makes sense. (BTW, the same is true for my penmanship vs. pencil-manship.)
I used those (Pilot G2s) for awhile until I found Pilot's VBallGrip pens. These things are great, IMO. A bit larger than uni-balls or regular Pilot VBall pens, and a real tip like the VBall, not like the pin-tipped kinds (several of which, I've broken.)
Sorta kinda...or not. You judge. Interesting if nothing else. http://gorehole.org
Similar to this, I have several Compaq scsi drives with an SCA (I think) connector and a scsi card with normal dba-looking connectors. The SCA (or whatever it is) connector includes power. I found adapters to make it work without the Compaq drive sleds that the drives were in previously (when used in servers.) Online, three adapters were about $15. I got a fourth drive later and rather than wait for a fourth adapter online, I went to my local geek shop. Well, they had them there, but for about $35. And the one I bought there was much crappier than the ones I bought online (bigger, cheaper plastic.)
And I don't know if you just didn't read my post, or missed this, but I am desktop support. Not a GW admin. If it's set up wrong, blame my admins, not me. I personally do not like GroupWise, and a lot of my customers complain about it. That is what I was saying. If you read anything else into it, get over it.
This is part of the problem though, our policy doesn't state users should put files wherever, and it states specifically that users should not install any software without permission/having IS install it. Our system engineers (I'm helpdesk) don't have the policies set up right to deny these rights. In fact, our Guest accounts have admin access right now as well. Rediculous I know, but I'm not in a position to research it, let alone correct it.
Our system has a system volume and post office volume that groupwise runs on. After 30 days, messages get archived and moved to a user directory on a file server elsewhere. Our clients can access the archive volume via a mapped drive (could be done any number of ways though, I think.)
If a client is remotely connected via GW web though, there is no link back to the archive, allowing the person to research a message history or something. (We deal with a fair amount of contracts and negotiations via email correspondance.) If the users can't get at that archive, it limits what they can do from home or remotely.
Even if I am a moron, at least I can formulate my thoughts into more than three words while still saying something.
Also, our hardware is not all identical, and each unit pays for their own PCs from their budget code, so we can't pay for identical spares for them to have. We do keep some old PCs as emergency loaners though.
In our situation, I think lightweight clients would save a lot. But if we were a normal company in one building with one IT budget, what you said makes sense as far as imaging, etc.
Fewer hardware failures, no more reimaging a workstation that a user fu**ed, less workstation administration, (all centrally worked on the servers now) this stuff alone could save my own organization quite a bit. Our own custom app and our CAD users would still cause headaches, but that's something I could handle alone, without my three full-time coworkers. And for all the complaining I do about GroupWise, we don't get many calls on it apart from people saying "you know that email I wasn't supposed to open?...I opened it." kinda things.