Try checking with the Social Security Administration to see when it was removed.
Every citizen of the United States is required to have an SSN. When you are born today you are automatically given one and 20 years ago you have to have one by the time you were two. All U.S. Citizens have them.
Instructions: How to rig a paper ballot.
Reference: Chicago, Illinois. Vote Early, Vote Often.
Make sure that people stay on the voter registration roles even after they have changed districts and or died. For years. Have someone go in with a fake ID and vote for them in said district. Also reference, Ballot Stuffing.
(Which probably means when they produce a clear paper trail.)
Tell me, at what point would you consider the electronic machines reliable enough to stop demanding a recount of the paper ballots after every single election?
Consider the point that in order to rig an election with this software, the machines would have to be re-programed every election. Right now they probably have a config file loaded onto them for this instead. The people who buy the machines are going to test them ahead of time to make sure the ballots they input into the machine match the total count. And yes, they will sit there and input a thousand votes to test the machines.
There is no way to rig an election with these machines when you have someone testing them after they have been recieved. Also, if you think they could rig it by paying attention to the date? Voting does not occur on the same day every year and they people testing the machines can always set the date to the day of voting and test them then to make sure the count comes out right.
I have yet to see any benefit from the electronic voting process besides profit for the people who sell them and a chance for the news to wrap up it's election coverage by 11pm (and look what ended up last time they tried that).
Hmm... Let just try something here. Replace "electronic" with "mechanical". There are not paper trails with the mechanical voting machines at all. Yet many places used them for 30 years instead of any form of ballot. No one ever complained about a recount.
Most systems are running an embeded OS (sometimes windows CE), have the voting ap as the only thing on there and require passwords to do anything. The good ones also never connecet to throught he internet and only use the phone lines to report results. The only thing most of the old mechanical voting machines required was for someone to pull a lever in the back for the next voter. In both cases they make sure that the number of votes at a polling place actually match the number of votes cast. If the don't add up, alarms are supposed to be raised.
Of course this can only add to the image that most people already have of geeks being condescending towards anybody that doesn't understand what they are doing.
That would be about 99% of the people out there. Since they DON'T understand what we are doing. I have to simplify most things I am talking about to A browser is like a "window", all browsers are not the same, using Mozilla will as opposed to IE will not cause irreperable harm (or and harm) to your computer, AOL is NOT the internet, you connect to the internet through your ISP (who the go?) NOT AOL (for when they don't have AOL), memmory is not the same as hard drive and many other things like that.
Expanding government, when you lie to do it (and the lie was that the SSN was/is not gonna be used as a de-facto National ID card/number) is morally-wrong.
Probably what happened is that when SSNs first came out they were not plannying on using it as any form of identification. They later (20,30,40 years or something like that) someone came along and said "Hey! Everyone in the country has to have one of these things. Its great, we can use it for universal identification since we KNOW everyone will have one." An SSN is the only kind of number EVERYONE has to have. Not everyone has a Drivers License or ID card.
Buggy as compared to the chads? And the not hanging up was the ONLY bug. They fixed that and there were no other problems they had. As for "More secure than paper ballots" these ones are. The paper ones could at least be misread by the people counting them or put into the wrong pile like they were in Florida in 2K, these ones can't be.
Then the only reasons why the election hardware/software is so buggy is incompetence or malice, and either way we shouldn't be using it.
I see you've never made an honest mistake and forgotten to uncomment out a line of code before.
So if casino machines can statistically determine when or if they should pay out depending on the bank balance of the casino, what the heck are these voting machines doing?
Actually, all the slots are controlled by one central system for when they should pay out, and how much. They don't make the decission themselves. The only closes analogy is riging the main machine. And the most of the Election Comissioners have tested these systems out to make sure they are accurate. At least those ones with a brain that is. Makes me glad I know who mine is.
Look up "Voting Machines" and by that I mean the groups that rigged the elections for about 50 years. Ever seen "Mr. Smith goes to Washington"? That is what I am talking about. Illinois is famous for their machines. Chicago, IL is where the phrase "Vote Early, Vote Often" came from. And before anyone says something, Illinois has voted Democrat for many years, and the Mayor of Chicago (Daley Jr) and his father (Sr) are Democrats.
The founding fathers were also concerned that every region had a say in the running of the country. This means that a citizen living in a sparsely populated part of the country such as Utah has more voting power in the House Of Representatives than a citizen in a densely populated state like New Jersey.
I think you mean Senate, Not the House.
You could assign senators by state population the way the house works, but then the senate would keep expanding.
And here the founding fathers gave set the Senators at two per state to specifically insure that the large states could not overule the smaller states. They were worried about the "Tyrany of the Majority". Thats why every state has the same number of votes in the senate and why the House is assigned by population.
And next time write something yourself instead of copying it off of some website whos facts are wrong. http://mindprod.com/election.html
Actually, I'm quite confident about my county's electronic system. We were covered on slashdot last year at some point because the votes took an extra day to count. (Anyone remember Fairfax County, VA. Just south of DC) The reason? The software was designed to dial into an election computer so it could tally all the votes. The "Disconect" routine was forgoten when it was programmed so the machines never hung up. Its fixed now. And before anyone says something about the machines being insecure, I was talking to the election commisioner for the county. She made sure they were as secure as they could be made. I'm not gonna worry about it.
At least voter registration and turnout is going up. The 2000 election problems were apparently good for something after all! Seriously, considering how were always complaining about low voter turn out, this is turning into a very good thing.
What's wrong with the plant-growing idea you just had?
We don't have the ability to have a large enough green house.
What if we could genetically engineer
Have you read anything about the fear alot of dumb idiots have of genetically modified anything? Its as great as the fear of nuclear power! Besides that, there is only so much a biological organizm can metabolize in one day. And, we still have to feed the algae somehow.
they were derided as "impossible" by the auto industry in the day.
You mean the US auto industry. The japanese were happy to give us cars that get 30 mpg. Many things have been said to be impossible and later proven wrong. Flying, the phonograph, the telephone, space travel, nuclear anything, cures to disease, finding a route west to the Indies without falling off the earth... AND all done without standards forcing them to be invented in the first place,
So we have about 300 to 500 years of storage in the oceans? By which time if we don't have an alternative energy source we are F***ED. Sounds like a pretty good placement idea.
they have developed a nuclear reactor that doesn't go critical when the coolant system is switched off
As I recall, the US has had since the begining a system that will not go critical when the cooland system is switched off. In fact, the system only operates while coolant is moving.
As long as it doesnt leach out and contaminate the area (not likley, and even if it does it's not serious)
Not likely? I seem to recal that being said about several other things that went catastrophically wrong.
Not serious? Only if you aren't near it when it happens. CO2 can kill you in a large enough concentration even if you have plenty of O2. So if you are near it when there is a major leak, you could die. Ask any diver about CO2 poisoning.
You mention Icebergs and maritime activity. But most drug smugler boats are less than 8 feet above water at the top while most icebergs and any ships worth tracking are at least 40 feet at the top. Can the radar work with such a small profile? Also, will it work in high seas? Even normal weather in the north atlantic has at least 8 foot swells when you get out to sea. Will it still work then?
But if it is required to be open source, then you don't need to pay for the patent. Hence the entire reason for open source. You can't charge for the source code and have to distribute it for free.
Most people in the US have ABC,CBS, NBC, PBS, FOX and maybe one or two other stations (say 5 to 7 total) for Broadcast (over the air) channels. The hundreds of channels we "always" talk about are the cable and satelite channels. So basically we have the same setup when you look at the broadcast channels.
I mean for PCs. Up until a couple years ago 3K was the price for a good personal computer. Starting in the 80s and up through the mid to late 90's. Hell, my computer I custom built in 2000 cost about that much too. Course it was top o the line but so is this one.
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Try checking with the Social Security Administration to see when it was removed.
Every citizen of the United States is required to have an SSN. When you are born today you are automatically given one and 20 years ago you have to have one by the time you were two. All U.S. Citizens have them.
Instructions: How to rig a paper ballot.
Reference: Chicago, Illinois. Vote Early, Vote Often.
Make sure that people stay on the voter registration roles even after they have changed districts and or died. For years. Have someone go in with a fake ID and vote for them in said district. Also reference, Ballot Stuffing.
Think this hasn't happened? Try again.
(Which probably means when they produce a clear paper trail.)
Tell me, at what point would you consider the electronic machines reliable enough to stop demanding a recount of the paper ballots after every single election?
Consider the point that in order to rig an election with this software, the machines would have to be re-programed every election. Right now they probably have a config file loaded onto them for this instead. The people who buy the machines are going to test them ahead of time to make sure the ballots they input into the machine match the total count. And yes, they will sit there and input a thousand votes to test the machines.
There is no way to rig an election with these machines when you have someone testing them after they have been recieved. Also, if you think they could rig it by paying attention to the date? Voting does not occur on the same day every year and they people testing the machines can always set the date to the day of voting and test them then to make sure the count comes out right.
I have yet to see any benefit from the electronic voting process besides profit for the people who sell them and a chance for the news to wrap up it's election coverage by 11pm (and look what ended up last time they tried that).
Hmm... Let just try something here. Replace "electronic" with "mechanical". There are not paper trails with the mechanical voting machines at all. Yet many places used them for 30 years instead of any form of ballot. No one ever complained about a recount.
These electronic voting companies make it sound like voting is drudgery which nobody will volunteer to help with... there is no end of volunteers!
Which is why the average age of a poll worker is above 65. Most people don't or can't take a day off to help out.
Most systems are running an embeded OS (sometimes windows CE), have the voting ap as the only thing on there and require passwords to do anything. The good ones also never connecet to throught he internet and only use the phone lines to report results. The only thing most of the old mechanical voting machines required was for someone to pull a lever in the back for the next voter. In both cases they make sure that the number of votes at a polling place actually match the number of votes cast. If the don't add up, alarms are supposed to be raised.
Of course this can only add to the image that most people already have of geeks being condescending towards anybody that doesn't understand what they are doing.
That would be about 99% of the people out there. Since they DON'T understand what we are doing. I have to simplify most things I am talking about to A browser is like a "window", all browsers are not the same, using Mozilla will as opposed to IE will not cause irreperable harm (or and harm) to your computer, AOL is NOT the internet, you connect to the internet through your ISP (who the go?) NOT AOL (for when they don't have AOL), memmory is not the same as hard drive and many other things like that.
Expanding government, when you lie to do it (and the lie was that the SSN was/is not gonna be used as a de-facto National ID card/number) is morally-wrong.
Probably what happened is that when SSNs first came out they were not plannying on using it as any form of identification. They later (20,30,40 years or something like that) someone came along and said "Hey! Everyone in the country has to have one of these things. Its great, we can use it for universal identification since we KNOW everyone will have one." An SSN is the only kind of number EVERYONE has to have. Not everyone has a Drivers License or ID card.
Matter Anti-Matter explosion, I'm guessing? Or spontanious combustion?
Maybe not, but it's a start.
Buggy as compared to the chads? And the not hanging up was the ONLY bug. They fixed that and there were no other problems they had. As for "More secure than paper ballots" these ones are. The paper ones could at least be misread by the people counting them or put into the wrong pile like they were in Florida in 2K, these ones can't be.
Then the only reasons why the election hardware/software is so buggy is incompetence or malice, and either way we shouldn't be using it.
I see you've never made an honest mistake and forgotten to uncomment out a line of code before.
So if casino machines can statistically determine when or if they should pay out depending on the bank balance of the casino, what the heck are these voting machines doing?
Actually, all the slots are controlled by one central system for when they should pay out, and how much. They don't make the decission themselves. The only closes analogy is riging the main machine. And the most of the Election Comissioners have tested these systems out to make sure they are accurate. At least those ones with a brain that is. Makes me glad I know who mine is.
Look up "Voting Machines" and by that I mean the groups that rigged the elections for about 50 years. Ever seen "Mr. Smith goes to Washington"? That is what I am talking about. Illinois is famous for their machines. Chicago, IL is where the phrase "Vote Early, Vote Often" came from. And before anyone says something, Illinois has voted Democrat for many years, and the Mayor of Chicago (Daley Jr) and his father (Sr) are Democrats.
Ummm....
The founding fathers were also concerned that every region had a say in the running of the country. This means that a citizen living in a sparsely populated part of the country such as Utah has more voting power in the House Of Representatives than a citizen in a densely populated state like New Jersey.
I think you mean Senate, Not the House.
You could assign senators by state population the way the house works, but then the senate would keep expanding.
And here the founding fathers gave set the Senators at two per state to specifically insure that the large states could not overule the smaller states. They were worried about the "Tyrany of the Majority". Thats why every state has the same number of votes in the senate and why the House is assigned by population.
And next time write something yourself instead of copying it off of some website whos facts are wrong.
http://mindprod.com/election.html
Actually, I'm quite confident about my county's electronic system. We were covered on slashdot last year at some point because the votes took an extra day to count. (Anyone remember Fairfax County, VA. Just south of DC) The reason? The software was designed to dial into an election computer so it could tally all the votes. The "Disconect" routine was forgoten when it was programmed so the machines never hung up. Its fixed now. And before anyone says something about the machines being insecure, I was talking to the election commisioner for the county. She made sure they were as secure as they could be made. I'm not gonna worry about it.
At least voter registration and turnout is going up. The 2000 election problems were apparently good for something after all! Seriously, considering how were always complaining about low voter turn out, this is turning into a very good thing.
What's wrong with the plant-growing idea you just had?
We don't have the ability to have a large enough green house.
What if we could genetically engineer
Have you read anything about the fear alot of dumb idiots have of genetically modified anything? Its as great as the fear of nuclear power! Besides that, there is only so much a biological organizm can metabolize in one day. And, we still have to feed the algae somehow.
they were derided as "impossible" by the auto industry in the day.
You mean the US auto industry. The japanese were happy to give us cars that get 30 mpg. Many things have been said to be impossible and later proven wrong. Flying, the phonograph, the telephone, space travel, nuclear anything, cures to disease, finding a route west to the Indies without falling off the earth... AND all done without standards forcing them to be invented in the first place,
So we have about 300 to 500 years of storage in the oceans? By which time if we don't have an alternative energy source we are F***ED. Sounds like a pretty good placement idea.
they have developed a nuclear reactor that doesn't go critical when the coolant system is switched off
As I recall, the US has had since the begining a system that will not go critical when the cooland system is switched off. In fact, the system only operates while coolant is moving.
As long as it doesnt leach out and contaminate the area (not likley, and even if it does it's not serious)
Not likely? I seem to recal that being said about several other things that went catastrophically wrong.
Not serious? Only if you aren't near it when it happens. CO2 can kill you in a large enough concentration even if you have plenty of O2. So if you are near it when there is a major leak, you could die. Ask any diver about CO2 poisoning.
You mention Icebergs and maritime activity. But most drug smugler boats are less than 8 feet above water at the top while most icebergs and any ships worth tracking are at least 40 feet at the top. Can the radar work with such a small profile? Also, will it work in high seas? Even normal weather in the north atlantic has at least 8 foot swells when you get out to sea. Will it still work then?
But if it is required to be open source, then you don't need to pay for the patent. Hence the entire reason for open source. You can't charge for the source code and have to distribute it for free.
Most people in the US have ABC,CBS, NBC, PBS, FOX and maybe one or two other stations (say 5 to 7 total) for Broadcast (over the air) channels. The hundreds of channels we "always" talk about are the cable and satelite channels. So basically we have the same setup when you look at the broadcast channels.
I mean for PCs. Up until a couple years ago 3K was the price for a good personal computer. Starting in the 80s and up through the mid to late 90's. Hell, my computer I custom built in 2000 cost about that much too. Course it was top o the line but so is this one.