That's why I buy instead of license. It amazes me that so many people think they're saving a lot of money licensing music from online stores like iTMS or streaming from Netflix. We're talking fucking pennies at most (and sometimes not even that), and they have an agreement while I just have a receipt. (aside rant: And then the idiot hipster kids call me a luddite. Come look at my fileserver and lack of DRM if you think I'm a luddite. Downloading content under a license, as opposed to buying media, is not a technical advancement, you fools. The only "technology" here is corporations programming people to do what they want.)
You are able to BUY a movie? How much do you pay for said movie? Even if you go to your local store and grab a DVD off the shelf you are still not the OWNER of the property. You are LICENSED to use it within certain limitations. To BUY a movie, at least the rights to the movie, you most likely need to get a contract and spend quite a bit of money on it.
And to repeat my argument, people ignore it, - it is not your created work you do not hold any rights to it. When you pay a company for the CD/DVD to use it you also enter an agreement - no signature is requried (again refer to Don Shekely attorney). For those that say "hah i got you zomgn00btard, I don't buy, I just download it from my bit torrents"....great you are stealing. And if you think you are not, I dare you to go to the RIAA and sign in an affidavit that you download their content from torrents that are not authorized by the copyright holders. I double dare you to then put down in an affidavit that you upload those torrents to other people so they can get copies of the software. Until you are willing to do that - all your arguments are moot. - In lamens terms - Put up or shut up.
It is not valid without Mutual Agreement, Legally Enforceable Subject Matter, and Consideration.
I do not remember any Valuable Consideration changing hands between myself and any DVD producer.
PLEASE file a motion in court claiming you have a contract with me. I need to retire wealthy.
The courts disagree with you. Read some articles by attourney Don Shekley. Shrink wraps are held up in court. They have been, and until there is some law against it, they will be. And it is not just in this medium it's in any medium. Someone may have ripped the song - by itself - and removed the TOC from the meta-data, but that does not mean their contract is invalid it just means someone pulled the contract out - someone who was not authorized to do so. At best, if you could proove you are a moron who has his head in a hole and has no idea about contract law - you might get sympathy...but last I heard, receiving stolen property -- even if you did not know it was stolen -- still gets you on the bad side of a judges ruling.
I call bullshit. I'll watch the movie the way I want and not the way they want. How I consume it is my own business. Just like buying a sandwich or any other consumable... If I don't want the pickle then I'm not going to eat it. No matter what the guy at the deli tells me my obligations are to him.
You can call whatever you want last I heard the sandwhich vendor could care less how you eat it as long as you buy their product. Then again - only one person can consume the entire sandwhich - more then one person can use a burned copy of some software. Also -as for a sandwhich places TOC... McDonalds has a no shoes, shirt, pants no service sign.
Also - and again you fail to reply to this argument - don't buy it if you don't like their standards. is it really that hard? So many people state "this movie sucks, that song sucks, this program company sucks and I won't pay for it"....yet they turn around download it and use it. Thats hypocracy and it's theft. If you don't like their agreements don't consume their products - unlike food, you won't die if you don't have that movie, song, application.
As for the OP who said "I didn't sign anything" - grow up, shrink wraps, EULAs, TOCs have been held-up and will continue to be held-up in court. So the "but i never signed anything on paper" is well pointless. Considering technology is what it is, people on this board should be the last to say "no paper, no pen = no contract".
Your welcome. - You're welcome, as opposed to the possesive your.
Hi Kettle, I'm Pot.
Since the original person I was replying to was making fun of MS I was talking about MS not IBM or Intel. But in your sad attempt to jump on the bashing bandwagon you neglected to infer that information...you fail.
We have a huge and expensive government. The white house, arguably, is the most powerful single entity (congress by law is more powerful, but that requires agreement - the president only has to agree with himself). And they can't get e-mail setup either 1) before (they had over a month) or 2) during. How long does it take to setup an e-mail account?
As for that, if they are using gmail for non-secure e-mail then it should not be a huge deal. As long as they realize this e-mail account is for work, not personal reasons. The difference between this and sarah palin is that she had a work e-mail they do not have one. They are not using this just for the hell of it, they are using this because they do not have another option.
1) If you are making a backup then you are OK, but face it, this crap started because too many people distribute movies on the net so people don't have to shell the money out. In all honesty if they came to your house and you could show them a 1:1 ratio every dvd/cd backup with the original, they would apologize and leave your house. Chances are it would be a ratio of 100:1 pirated:legit.
2) Modifying the movie, and the extra's, violates the TOC. Just like any contract, if you do not like it then do not sign for it and do not use the product. If you like the product that much then use it how they asked you to use it.
I don't know why these issues are so hard to understand. Don't steal, and don't violate their TOC. If you think the movie sucks and is not wtflol worth the money then don't buy it, don't watch it. Wait for it to come out on TV and you can have it for free (not really since there is advertising) or borrow the movie from a friend. There are plenty of ways to watch a movie/hear a tune which doesn't require you to steal it or modify the DVD.
Well, my last TV a Sony Trinitron, I bought around 97 to 99 (not sure exactly) and kept it until last year when my g/f got an LCD (I also have an LCD and we don't need more then two tv's in the house). So unless it breaks I plan on keeping this sucker for a LONG LONG time. I will make the costs
Other then that, anotehr reason to get LCD over PLASMA are burn-ins. For those who play console games - this is a no brainer - unless you want to have perm burn-ins. For those that do not - you will still get burn-ins. I had a Panasonic Viesta (think thats the model) and after 8 months the top left blue box that appears when you turn the tv on or switch input types (it hangs out for about 5 seconds) burned in. This is a feature of the tv and pops up rarely - but it burned in. Other things that burned in - the little play triangle from a dvd player....which I rarely use. Also another image that only appears for a few seconds.
When I called Panasonic and asked them why a feature of their tv burned in, the tier 2 technical rep said "I cannot confirm or deny this is a feature of the TV". For crying out loud, it *IS* a feature of the TV, and it is one that *cannot* be turned off! Luckily for me I had circuit city extra warranty. I went to them they gave me store credit and I got an LCD. I play COD4 all the time and so far no burn-ins.
The difference between plasma and lcd is that LCD does not use true black and white - the only time I notice that are in very dark scenes (night) and you get the white haze. It doesn't bother me
For those that DO go for a plasma, my recommendations:
1) Do not play games or use features that linger
2) Once per week load up a picture (memory stick JPG, playstation/xbox stream from your computer, etc) of pure white. Let that sit for about 10 minutes. Yes it's annoying, but Panasonic says this will remove any ghosting. According to Panasonic ghosting is prelude to image burns which can be remedied.
3) Do not put anything that is repetative on your tv for long. So avoid playing video games, or hanging out on your dvd/cable menu screens (e.g. DVR screen setups, cable tv channel guide, etc)
Or - just do the smart thing (and environmentally friendlier thing) and by an LCD. You may not recoup the costs in a short period of time...but whats an extra couple hundred bucks when you are considering the environmental factors. If everyone went for the environmental reasons, and took that small loss of money then our kids/grandkids will have a better life....and you will have a better product.
I understood the joke, it wasn't funny - not even in a dry humour kind of way. Some people just might take it as a serious comment though on the "Yea that would be cool and I would get one." Similar to the space tomato seeds given to schools in the early 90's.
Considering most of us have never been to Antarctica I am sure we would still have a hard time relating to this. We would need a more common reference point - and since more people have been to the great lakes then to antarctica that is a good choice.
That would be an incredibly cheap price to pay for a sample from another planet. Considering the costs of storage, and transport yea that would be VERY cheap. The demand would be incredibly high and would not cover the shipping and handling costs.
You always come closest to unattainable things while you're still striving to reach them.
A friend in college once told me (paraphrase) "If you think you can only get an 80...you will probably get a 70. If you think you can only get a 100...you will probably get a 90. Always think you can get a 110."
Except that "perfect" doesn't mean flawless, but rather it means complete. It's not about a union without flaws, it's about a union without state-by-state insurgence.
According to Merriam Webster dictionary the first definition is about flawless. The 5th definition is about being complete. Also the most common use of perfection is not about complete first -it is a state of flawlessness. Typically, when something is flawless there is no way to make it better so it is thusly complete. But being complete is not the first answer
Synonyms: Perfect, Whole, Entire, Intact. Entire has an "implies" and then completeness. But considering the size of the entry, this is small http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perfect
The framers of our constitution never intended for the consititution to be perfect or complete - it is a living body to be changed as the times changed. They were also arrogant SOBs and some of them were fairly racist (e.g. the three fifths clause). Thank god they had the forsight to realize someone may want to edit this document in the future.
Wrong, it is only PARTLY paid for by private funds,MOST is from public.
This inauguration is 100+ MILLION more than any other. Obama is hardly getting less than the previous guy.
Yes, how dare he open up the mall to allow more people to view this event
The surge in spending is partly because of the Obama's decision to open the entire Mall to the public.
Other things that raised the price which is not the fault of the inauguration committee: Bad weather, Emergency services, security, Virginia and Maryland asking for money due to this event. The amount budgeted was actually 49 million. According to the article, you linked, obama asked people to hold events local to them to help alleviate the stress to DC. What does my current paragraph have in common, that the people came in the million+ range and the gov't has to acknowledge this with extra security, transportation, emergency services, etc.
I read the article you linked - where does it say that MOST of the spending came from the gov't and not private funding? The core of the event is paid by the gov't, plus things like the city services (transportation, security, emergency services, etc) are paid for by the gov't. The article does not say this - you say this. In fact, according to the article YOU quoted
Most of this new federal funding will be to deal with the huge influx of people, estimated 1.5 million to 2 million.
Yea it's supposed to liken him more towards Saddam Hussain and/or Muslims...specifically Muslim extremists.
The OP poster is racist and stupid. Being Muslim does not mean you are an extremist. Though the name Barak is also a name that Jewish folk used. Think Ehud Barak (former prime minister of israel).
I don't agree with the 1:1 download:lost sale ratio. I don't agree with this judge, however. This judge is basically stating "even though company X created this work, and owns the rights to it, they should not be able to restrict how it is distributed". Hmm, can I go to my local car dealership and tell them "hey I think i am going to take one of your cars off the lot and not pay you for it"...no I would get arrested if i did that. If you don't own the rights to it then you do not have a say as to how it is distribtued/used unless the OWNER gives you that right.
Your biggest hurdle is training. Getting people to learn the new software.
If your office trades documentation that has specific formatting that will be another problem unless you convert it to a standard like PDF. Then you run into the problem of people who need to edit those documents who are not using your software.
Assuming he proposed a bill today, and congress was nice enough to pass it today, do not expect anything to be noticeable by the people for at least 6 months (on the simplest of measures, like tax rebates).
Gov't is a locomotive...it takes a lot of effort to get it going...but once it does, it won't stop easily for better or for worse.
I was told that I should buy a car before he got elected, invest everything before he got elected, and take out ridiculous loans before he got elected.
I was told to do this because 1 second after he got elected all debts would be forgiven and the stock market would sky rocket!!!
Wait....hmm maybe it will take time for things to get better and won't be instantaneous.
Hmm Dollar is up.0096 against the Euro. Oil is up.80. And everything else is down but about 2-4%
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That's why I buy instead of license. It amazes me that so many people think they're saving a lot of money licensing music from online stores like iTMS or streaming from Netflix. We're talking fucking pennies at most (and sometimes not even that), and they have an agreement while I just have a receipt. (aside rant: And then the idiot hipster kids call me a luddite. Come look at my fileserver and lack of DRM if you think I'm a luddite. Downloading content under a license, as opposed to buying media, is not a technical advancement, you fools. The only "technology" here is corporations programming people to do what they want.)
You are able to BUY a movie? How much do you pay for said movie? Even if you go to your local store and grab a DVD off the shelf you are still not the OWNER of the property. You are LICENSED to use it within certain limitations. To BUY a movie, at least the rights to the movie, you most likely need to get a contract and spend quite a bit of money on it.
And to repeat my argument, people ignore it, - it is not your created work you do not hold any rights to it. When you pay a company for the CD/DVD to use it you also enter an agreement - no signature is requried (again refer to Don Shekely attorney). For those that say "hah i got you zomgn00btard, I don't buy, I just download it from my bit torrents"....great you are stealing. And if you think you are not, I dare you to go to the RIAA and sign in an affidavit that you download their content from torrents that are not authorized by the copyright holders. I double dare you to then put down in an affidavit that you upload those torrents to other people so they can get copies of the software. Until you are willing to do that - all your arguments are moot. - In lamens terms - Put up or shut up.
It is not valid without Mutual Agreement, Legally Enforceable Subject Matter, and Consideration. I do not remember any Valuable Consideration changing hands between myself and any DVD producer. PLEASE file a motion in court claiming you have a contract with me. I need to retire wealthy.
The courts disagree with you. Read some articles by attourney Don Shekley. Shrink wraps are held up in court. They have been, and until there is some law against it, they will be. And it is not just in this medium it's in any medium. Someone may have ripped the song - by itself - and removed the TOC from the meta-data, but that does not mean their contract is invalid it just means someone pulled the contract out - someone who was not authorized to do so. At best, if you could proove you are a moron who has his head in a hole and has no idea about contract law - you might get sympathy...but last I heard, receiving stolen property -- even if you did not know it was stolen -- still gets you on the bad side of a judges ruling.
I call bullshit. I'll watch the movie the way I want and not the way they want. How I consume it is my own business. Just like buying a sandwich or any other consumable... If I don't want the pickle then I'm not going to eat it. No matter what the guy at the deli tells me my obligations are to him.
You can call whatever you want last I heard the sandwhich vendor could care less how you eat it as long as you buy their product. Then again - only one person can consume the entire sandwhich - more then one person can use a burned copy of some software. Also -as for a sandwhich places TOC... McDonalds has a no shoes, shirt, pants no service sign.
Also - and again you fail to reply to this argument - don't buy it if you don't like their standards. is it really that hard? So many people state "this movie sucks, that song sucks, this program company sucks and I won't pay for it"....yet they turn around download it and use it. Thats hypocracy and it's theft. If you don't like their agreements don't consume their products - unlike food, you won't die if you don't have that movie, song, application.
As for the OP who said "I didn't sign anything" - grow up, shrink wraps, EULAs, TOCs have been held-up and will continue to be held-up in court. So the "but i never signed anything on paper" is well pointless. Considering technology is what it is, people on this board should be the last to say "no paper, no pen = no contract".
Your welcome. - You're welcome, as opposed to the possesive your.
Hi Kettle, I'm Pot.
Since the original person I was replying to was making fun of MS I was talking about MS not IBM or Intel. But in your sad attempt to jump on the bashing bandwagon you neglected to infer that information...you fail.
I must not, would you please explain to me what sarcism means?
We have a huge and expensive government. The white house, arguably, is the most powerful single entity (congress by law is more powerful, but that requires agreement - the president only has to agree with himself). And they can't get e-mail setup either 1) before (they had over a month) or 2) during. How long does it take to setup an e-mail account?
As for that, if they are using gmail for non-secure e-mail then it should not be a huge deal. As long as they realize this e-mail account is for work, not personal reasons. The difference between this and sarah palin is that she had a work e-mail they do not have one. They are not using this just for the hell of it, they are using this because they do not have another option.
1) If you are making a backup then you are OK, but face it, this crap started because too many people distribute movies on the net so people don't have to shell the money out. In all honesty if they came to your house and you could show them a 1:1 ratio every dvd/cd backup with the original, they would apologize and leave your house. Chances are it would be a ratio of 100:1 pirated:legit.
2) Modifying the movie, and the extra's, violates the TOC. Just like any contract, if you do not like it then do not sign for it and do not use the product. If you like the product that much then use it how they asked you to use it.
I don't know why these issues are so hard to understand. Don't steal, and don't violate their TOC. If you think the movie sucks and is not wtflol worth the money then don't buy it, don't watch it. Wait for it to come out on TV and you can have it for free (not really since there is advertising) or borrow the movie from a friend. There are plenty of ways to watch a movie/hear a tune which doesn't require you to steal it or modify the DVD.
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Well, my last TV a Sony Trinitron, I bought around 97 to 99 (not sure exactly) and kept it until last year when my g/f got an LCD (I also have an LCD and we don't need more then two tv's in the house). So unless it breaks I plan on keeping this sucker for a LONG LONG time. I will make the costs
Other then that, anotehr reason to get LCD over PLASMA are burn-ins. For those who play console games - this is a no brainer - unless you want to have perm burn-ins. For those that do not - you will still get burn-ins. I had a Panasonic Viesta (think thats the model) and after 8 months the top left blue box that appears when you turn the tv on or switch input types (it hangs out for about 5 seconds) burned in. This is a feature of the tv and pops up rarely - but it burned in. Other things that burned in - the little play triangle from a dvd player....which I rarely use. Also another image that only appears for a few seconds.
When I called Panasonic and asked them why a feature of their tv burned in, the tier 2 technical rep said "I cannot confirm or deny this is a feature of the TV". For crying out loud, it *IS* a feature of the TV, and it is one that *cannot* be turned off! Luckily for me I had circuit city extra warranty. I went to them they gave me store credit and I got an LCD. I play COD4 all the time and so far no burn-ins.
The difference between plasma and lcd is that LCD does not use true black and white - the only time I notice that are in very dark scenes (night) and you get the white haze. It doesn't bother me
For those that DO go for a plasma, my recommendations:
1) Do not play games or use features that linger
2) Once per week load up a picture (memory stick JPG, playstation/xbox stream from your computer, etc) of pure white. Let that sit for about 10 minutes. Yes it's annoying, but Panasonic says this will remove any ghosting. According to Panasonic ghosting is prelude to image burns which can be remedied.
3) Do not put anything that is repetative on your tv for long. So avoid playing video games, or hanging out on your dvd/cable menu screens (e.g. DVR screen setups, cable tv channel guide, etc)
Or - just do the smart thing (and environmentally friendlier thing) and by an LCD. You may not recoup the costs in a short period of time...but whats an extra couple hundred bucks when you are considering the environmental factors. If everyone went for the environmental reasons, and took that small loss of money then our kids/grandkids will have a better life....and you will have a better product.
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Everyone is working to maximize their own survival even though it will harm the chances for the group as a whole
John F. Nash would agree this is not the best way to handle things.
I understood the joke, it wasn't funny - not even in a dry humour kind of way. Some people just might take it as a serious comment though on the "Yea that would be cool and I would get one." Similar to the space tomato seeds given to schools in the early 90's.
So you are happy that 5000 of your fellow geeks, US living citizens, and humans are out of a job?
G....G....
Considering most of us have never been to Antarctica I am sure we would still have a hard time relating to this. We would need a more common reference point - and since more people have been to the great lakes then to antarctica that is a good choice.
Martian Water: Now only $1,000 a liter!
That would be an incredibly cheap price to pay for a sample from another planet. Considering the costs of storage, and transport yea that would be VERY cheap. The demand would be incredibly high and would not cover the shipping and handling costs.
wrong
....then someone/thing took a poop in it.
You always come closest to unattainable things while you're still striving to reach them.
A friend in college once told me (paraphrase) "If you think you can only get an 80...you will probably get a 70. If you think you can only get a 100...you will probably get a 90. Always think you can get a 110."
Except that "perfect" doesn't mean flawless, but rather it means complete. It's not about a union without flaws, it's about a union without state-by-state insurgence.
According to Merriam Webster dictionary the first definition is about flawless. The 5th definition is about being complete. Also the most common use of perfection is not about complete first -it is a state of flawlessness. Typically, when something is flawless there is no way to make it better so it is thusly complete. But being complete is not the first answer
Synonyms: Perfect, Whole, Entire, Intact. Entire has an "implies" and then completeness. But considering the size of the entry, this is small
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/perfect
The framers of our constitution never intended for the consititution to be perfect or complete - it is a living body to be changed as the times changed. They were also arrogant SOBs and some of them were fairly racist (e.g. the three fifths clause). Thank god they had the forsight to realize someone may want to edit this document in the future.
Wrong, it is only PARTLY paid for by private funds,MOST is from public. This inauguration is 100+ MILLION more than any other. Obama is hardly getting less than the previous guy.
Yes, how dare he open up the mall to allow more people to view this event
The surge in spending is partly because of the Obama's decision to open the entire Mall to the public.
Other things that raised the price which is not the fault of the inauguration committee: Bad weather, Emergency services, security, Virginia and Maryland asking for money due to this event. The amount budgeted was actually 49 million. According to the article, you linked, obama asked people to hold events local to them to help alleviate the stress to DC. What does my current paragraph have in common, that the people came in the million+ range and the gov't has to acknowledge this with extra security, transportation, emergency services, etc.
I read the article you linked - where does it say that MOST of the spending came from the gov't and not private funding? The core of the event is paid by the gov't, plus things like the city services (transportation, security, emergency services, etc) are paid for by the gov't. The article does not say this - you say this. In fact, according to the article YOU quoted
Most of this new federal funding will be to deal with the huge influx of people, estimated 1.5 million to 2 million.
That is a far cry from "MOST is from public"
Yea it's supposed to liken him more towards Saddam Hussain and/or Muslims...specifically Muslim extremists.
The OP poster is racist and stupid. Being Muslim does not mean you are an extremist. Though the name Barak is also a name that Jewish folk used. Think Ehud Barak (former prime minister of israel).
I don't agree with the 1:1 download:lost sale ratio. I don't agree with this judge, however. This judge is basically stating "even though company X created this work, and owns the rights to it, they should not be able to restrict how it is distributed". Hmm, can I go to my local car dealership and tell them "hey I think i am going to take one of your cars off the lot and not pay you for it"...no I would get arrested if i did that. If you don't own the rights to it then you do not have a say as to how it is distribtued/used unless the OWNER gives you that right.
That's fairly simple.
Your biggest hurdle is training. Getting people to learn the new software.
If your office trades documentation that has specific formatting that will be another problem unless you convert it to a standard like PDF. Then you run into the problem of people who need to edit those documents who are not using your software.
Why should he be denied what the previous guy in office, who helped get us to this mess, got?
It's also paid for by private funds - not tax dollars.
It also generates revenue (tourism dollars, media ad buys, etc)
It also makes people happy to see the president they elect take the oath
It also lets the world know there is a new sheriff in town.
He said that he would, "restore science to its rightful place."
In jail, with Gallileo.
Assuming he proposed a bill today, and congress was nice enough to pass it today, do not expect anything to be noticeable by the people for at least 6 months (on the simplest of measures, like tax rebates).
Gov't is a locomotive...it takes a lot of effort to get it going...but once it does, it won't stop easily for better or for worse.
I was told that I should buy a car before he got elected, invest everything before he got elected, and take out ridiculous loans before he got elected.
.0096 against the Euro. Oil is up .80. And everything else is down but about 2-4%
I was told to do this because 1 second after he got elected all debts would be forgiven and the stock market would sky rocket!!!
Wait....hmm maybe it will take time for things to get better and won't be instantaneous. Hmm Dollar is up
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Mod +4 Correct
That is how our system is supposed to work. We may never get perfection but we can always strive for it.