it looks like they have a really good idea down. profiling and a nice set of options based on the current plan. If i werent too busy right now with school and a diskless cluster im working on id probably be helping develope it.
I have yet to here anyone who has used gentoo that doesnt like it. (just thought i should note this)
With regard to the enterprise i can definitely see it going their especially if they atleast provide the option of using a official central binary repository (the infrastructure is already in portage and chinstrap provides a partial tree). A master binhost could be set up fairly easily for a few use/cflags "profiles". This would atleast help with the "so slow to setup" argument because u could install recent pure binary then recompile nicely in the background.
So a linux deskop with a half dozen pieces of licensed proprietary standards is all that seperates us from being a viable desktop for home users. This really shows how far the linux desktop environments have come. Two years ago i would have never considered running linux exclusively.
read subject. i have nothing else to say on the topic. yes i get it long answer not really all that long. deal with it ok i dont feal like stretching a very simple point out to a bunch of pointless garbage. Oops too late
and btw its extra wide too. They use them here at bcit in the broadcast building for video editing. I got the whole sales bitch for a mac pusher because i was bored on the open house day. Nice stuff.
I dont see why everyone hates the xbox and macs after all they can run linux
Yes u gain some extra performance (im certain far more than the 2% estimates some have given based on my experience). The great benifit of gentoo as i see it is the ability to maintain a soft of preference profile between your use flags, cflags and world file and keep it as up to date as any other system out their with a single command. Its also nice to be able to avoid the bs surounding media players dvd capabilities and other contravercial (legally uncertain) features. I used to run suse and i had a list a page long of packages which needed to be installed manually because suses was either really old (mozilla 1.2 when 1.6 was out) or altered (xine/k3b). I like to know my system is always up to date essentially with packages as the author wrote them with the options and optimizations i want with that one magical command to unleash the dark magic of portage
emerge world
PS. Yes the install is a pain. deal with it or help make the new graphical installer
The only issue with gentoo is the lack of a central binary repository like the redhat channels system (official anyway - chinstrap is decent for those willing to stray). It was discussed at great length several months ago and decided not to be created despite having the backend infrastructure already in place. The great advantage of gentoo, and in a way the failure of bsd (and pretty much every commercial linux) is the ability to choose complex compile and build options with ease. For this same reason and the fact a binary repository could never handle a fraction of the possibilities it was never created:(.
If however you consider implementing gentoo in a work environment with say 10-100 systems they could all be set to use a central compile server to your organisation or/and through distcc compile kickass fast!
Although installs of gentoo are a pain (hopefully better if the installer gets built) it is by far the easiest to update, and customise of any linux.
And (big + for me) none of the bs of no or modified media players, browsers, burner software etc of suse, redhat or mandrake because of cautios legal practises. I've been finding more and more things i like about the portage system the more i use it. Any new reasonably popular package seems to make it on the tree in less than a day. If their is a piece of software that isnt on the tree u need (happened to me once) u can either find or make a ebuild and submit it for inclusion in the tree
My Conclusions
Ms Windows - ah get it away from me!!!! Evil
Redhat/Suse/Mandrake - Better but canabalises some stuff and out of date packages
The BSD Trio - Stable, fast, easy update, and faster update due to binary
Gentoo - Stable, fast, easy update and more customizable due to all source (usually)
Got my vote too. I cant think of another movie to game translation i liked. On the topic of game to movie i cant think of any worth the time to watch except maybe resident evil.
As consoles get more and more powerful with harddrives and online play and stuff their is becoming far less market for the pc (windows) gaming industry. Wine and WineX (which im still subscribed too for another month) can never really get caught up with ms. I dont mind having a console aslong as i can play great games and not install emulator, directX, service packs, CDrom emulators (strictly for speed), 3d acceloration, and maybe windows on a otherwise clean system. They really need mouse and driver support for fps because controllers suck for shooters.
Heres why pc gaming will continue to slowly die: -different OS/Hardware support (try ati with simcity 4) -easily pirated (have u seen the new ps2 modchips damn!), -relience on windows (except ut2003 and few others) -inconsistent performance (different hardware) -harder setup (drivers, install to disk etc) -Shrinking market as Linux takes over over next 10 years (LJ prediction)
they would also need to mimic the mac address of a currently offline system on the network though. Not a big deal but lets face it its not hard to plug a laptop with a packet sniffer or a port stealing or arp poinsoning equivelent. Unless u can trust the physical security or your entire wired environment i dont see a great deal or difference.
Note all of these are from memory and may not use the same exact words.
From a Radio Shack $5 headset phone:
Do not use this device in a lightning storm
Do not attempt to stick metal objects into this device (no joke)
Do not submerge in water
Do not use if your hands are wet
Do not attempt to service (who would really....)
May contain traces of peanuts (ok i made that last one up)
Some others
With cruise control (someone in the us with a motorhome didnt realise this):
Warning cruise control is only intended to maintain vehicles current speed. Cruise control will not provide automatic steering control
And the extra special people are idiots jumb warning message
On ur macdonalds coffie..........
you guesed it
Caution Hot!
Games are judged by most almost exclusively on their graphics and to a lesser degree sound. Not many are willing to break the mold with their gameplay. Games are getting easier and easier then they used to be. I first beet super mario 3 when i was around 8. One of the girls in my residence collects old games and for a laugh we brought it down about a month ago. Apart from the bottomless pit of continues because it was set to two player we spent about 3 hours stuck on the first level of world 8. That was from a group of about a half dozen people who had all beaten it before. Games have gotten so easy they once skilled players now suck. Thats a game with effectively 6 buttons(4 directions). Most games now use most of a controller with well a lot more. Controls have gotten more complex so difficulty must go down to make up for the fact that people dont know how to even use the inovative stuff. This is how you get a "ideal" learning curve where things are easy to learn and difficult to master. Once you know the controls though the games are brutaly easy. Well thanks for anyone who actually read my entire rant
PS Why cant rpgs have difficuly levels????
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it looks like they have a really good idea down. profiling and a nice set of options based on the current plan. If i werent too busy right now with school and a diskless cluster im working on id probably be helping develope it. I have yet to here anyone who has used gentoo that doesnt like it. (just thought i should note this) With regard to the enterprise i can definitely see it going their especially if they atleast provide the option of using a official central binary repository (the infrastructure is already in portage and chinstrap provides a partial tree). A master binhost could be set up fairly easily for a few use/cflags "profiles". This would atleast help with the "so slow to setup" argument because u could install recent pure binary then recompile nicely in the background.
So a linux deskop with a half dozen pieces of licensed proprietary standards is all that seperates us from being a viable desktop for home users. This really shows how far the linux desktop environments have come. Two years ago i would have never considered running linux exclusively.
read subject. i have nothing else to say on the topic. yes i get it long answer not really all that long. deal with it ok i dont feal like stretching a very simple point out to a bunch of pointless garbage. Oops too late
and btw its extra wide too. They use them here at bcit in the broadcast building for video editing. I got the whole sales bitch for a mac pusher because i was bored on the open house day. Nice stuff.
I dont see why everyone hates the xbox and macs after all they can run linux
Yes u gain some extra performance (im certain far more than the 2% estimates some have given based on my experience). The great benifit of gentoo as i see it is the ability to maintain a soft of preference profile between your use flags, cflags and world file and keep it as up to date as any other system out their with a single command. Its also nice to be able to avoid the bs surounding media players dvd capabilities and other contravercial (legally uncertain) features. I used to run suse and i had a list a page long of packages which needed to be installed manually because suses was either really old (mozilla 1.2 when 1.6 was out) or altered (xine/k3b). I like to know my system is always up to date essentially with packages as the author wrote them with the options and optimizations i want with that one magical command to unleash the dark magic of portage
emerge world
PS. Yes the install is a pain. deal with it or help make the new graphical installer
The only issue with gentoo is the lack of a central binary repository like the redhat channels system (official anyway - chinstrap is decent for those willing to stray). It was discussed at great length several months ago and decided not to be created despite having the backend infrastructure already in place. The great advantage of gentoo, and in a way the failure of bsd (and pretty much every commercial linux) is the ability to choose complex compile and build options with ease. For this same reason and the fact a binary repository could never handle a fraction of the possibilities it was never created :(.
If however you consider implementing gentoo in a work environment with say 10-100 systems they could all be set to use a central compile server to your organisation or/and through distcc compile kickass fast!
Although installs of gentoo are a pain (hopefully better if the installer gets built) it is by far the easiest to update, and customise of any linux.
And (big + for me) none of the bs of no or modified media players, browsers, burner software etc of suse, redhat or mandrake because of cautios legal practises. I've been finding more and more things i like about the portage system the more i use it. Any new reasonably popular package seems to make it on the tree in less than a day. If their is a piece of software that isnt on the tree u need (happened to me once) u can either find or make a ebuild and submit it for inclusion in the tree
My Conclusions
Ms Windows - ah get it away from me!!!! Evil
Redhat/Suse/Mandrake - Better but canabalises some stuff and out of date packages
The BSD Trio - Stable, fast, easy update, and faster update due to binary
Gentoo - Stable, fast, easy update and more customizable due to all source (usually)
Got my vote too. I cant think of another movie to game translation i liked. On the topic of game to movie i cant think of any worth the time to watch except maybe resident evil.
As consoles get more and more powerful with harddrives and online play and stuff their is becoming far less market for the pc (windows) gaming industry. Wine and WineX (which im still subscribed too for another month) can never really get caught up with ms. I dont mind having a console aslong as i can play great games and not install emulator, directX, service packs, CDrom emulators (strictly for speed), 3d acceloration, and maybe windows on a otherwise clean system. They really need mouse and driver support for fps because controllers suck for shooters.
Heres why pc gaming will continue to slowly die: -different OS/Hardware support (try ati with simcity 4)
-easily pirated (have u seen the new ps2 modchips damn!),
-relience on windows (except ut2003 and few others)
-inconsistent performance (different hardware)
-harder setup (drivers, install to disk etc)
-Shrinking market as Linux takes over over next 10 years (LJ prediction)
they would also need to mimic the mac address of a currently offline system on the network though. Not a big deal but lets face it its not hard to plug a laptop with a packet sniffer or a port stealing or arp poinsoning equivelent. Unless u can trust the physical security or your entire wired environment i dont see a great deal or difference.
Note all of these are from memory and may not use the same exact words. From a Radio Shack $5 headset phone: Do not use this device in a lightning storm Do not attempt to stick metal objects into this device (no joke) Do not submerge in water Do not use if your hands are wet Do not attempt to service (who would really....) May contain traces of peanuts (ok i made that last one up) Some others With cruise control (someone in the us with a motorhome didnt realise this): Warning cruise control is only intended to maintain vehicles current speed. Cruise control will not provide automatic steering control And the extra special people are idiots jumb warning message On ur macdonalds coffie .. .. .. .. ..
you guesed it
Caution Hot!
Games are judged by most almost exclusively on their graphics and to a lesser degree sound. Not many are willing to break the mold with their gameplay. Games are getting easier and easier then they used to be. I first beet super mario 3 when i was around 8. One of the girls in my residence collects old games and for a laugh we brought it down about a month ago. Apart from the bottomless pit of continues because it was set to two player we spent about 3 hours stuck on the first level of world 8. That was from a group of about a half dozen people who had all beaten it before. Games have gotten so easy they once skilled players now suck. Thats a game with effectively 6 buttons(4 directions). Most games now use most of a controller with well a lot more. Controls have gotten more complex so difficulty must go down to make up for the fact that people dont know how to even use the inovative stuff. This is how you get a "ideal" learning curve where things are easy to learn and difficult to master. Once you know the controls though the games are brutaly easy. Well thanks for anyone who actually read my entire rant PS Why cant rpgs have difficuly levels????