you're a joke. i do own my own company. get paid serious bank for what we do. i'm sorry for you that you seem to *think* that you *get* Apple stuff, but you really don't. If you did, you would have understood what I was saying originally. Apple is all about technology that works as advertised. We can debate all day about how ultra-powerful we are, how bad of a smack-down we can put on technology x, blah blah blah. This particular piece of an important part of Apple technology is not fully cooked, I sure they'll get it squared away. But right now, it's a real problem. I love Apple. I've owned just about every Mac and pre-Mac Apple there is. How about you, lamer?
um, it is true, anonymous coward. it's too bad there are so many jerks like you who *just* don't* get* it*. go back into your mother's basement and grab another yoohoo.
no MCSE here man. you lose the attitude. i do this every day. been doing it longer than you probably are old. macs and windows. you are being eilitist and deriding and it is insulting. no one who works professionally with this stuff expects to have a server in 30 minutes. but i don't think it's too much to ask to have things work correctly from the start. i'm as comfortable as you at getting things working. i did in this case. that's not my point. if you don't get my point, i suggest you examine your 'professional' point of view.
if i wanted to hear an asshole talk i would have farted.
i wonder you if actually understand this stuff. i work with this stuff as my day job. i own a company. we do this all day long. i challenge you: take a clean OS X install, for which you want it to be an Open Directory Master and PDC, and see how far you get after the installer says it's all set ad ready to go. go ahead, follow their documentation as well. good luck. You'll get nowhere. Yes, I've got a half dozen xserves and other G4'S running OS X server 10.2 and 10.3 doing a wide range of tasks with no issues. None are dependent on OD and LDAP for everyday file services. My point is that there is every good reason for this to have a minimally configured dns/KDC and LDAP that will at least work for itself for this combination of services, especially when Apple is pitching this as a an easy to implement alternative to an NT/Win2K PDC/AD server.
folks, i'm not throwing this oout as FUD. i'm a long time mac user. apple I. i'm serious about this. if you have any knowledge of these services, you should know that there are critical dependencies with these services, and *as shipped* Apple is not providing working features. and they are not correctible with the front end tools provided. you (all) and myself might not have a problem with making it work, but when you get in the car and put it in drive, it should go.
maybe i wasn't clear. none of it is set up correctly out of the box as the setup process indicates that it is. none of it will work as advertised as shipped. i did get it all working.
having spent half the day yesterday working on getting 10.3 server with Open Directory/PDC mojo working on a brand new xserve, let me just say that Apple does not have 10.3 server configuring itself correctly at all.
1. DNS is not turned on or preconfigured with a minimally working zone file.
2. Kerberos isn't set up or on. And if it isn't set up, Open Directory wont work. Oops, did I mention that DNS isn't on either? That will also prevent Kerberos and OD from working.
3. The LDAP db that gets set up is buggered from the start because of 1 and 2.
4. Because of 1, 2 and 3, forget getting the Windows PDC stuff working.
A nice Apple server tech sent me a loooong handwritten doc on what needed to be changed to get it all to work, which it did after I followed it. But, out of the box, even after those nice configuration wizard screens, it just isn't set up correctly. Amazing.
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yeah, well I guess I'll always be above you in that downward spiral, shithead.
it's jerks like you who give the IT industry a bad taste in their mouth.
you prove my point exactly asswipe. and um, corporation with employees. you are lame.
you're a joke. i do own my own company. get paid serious bank for what we do. i'm sorry for you that you seem to *think* that you *get* Apple stuff, but you really don't. If you did, you would have understood what I was saying originally. Apple is all about technology that works as advertised. We can debate all day about how ultra-powerful we are, how bad of a smack-down we can put on technology x, blah blah blah. This particular piece of an important part of Apple technology is not fully cooked, I sure they'll get it squared away. But right now, it's a real problem. I love Apple. I've owned just about every Mac and pre-Mac Apple there is. How about you, lamer?
um, it is true, anonymous coward. it's too bad there are so many jerks like you who *just* don't* get* it*. go back into your mother's basement and grab another yoohoo.
no MCSE here man. you lose the attitude. i do this every day. been doing it longer than you probably are old. macs and windows. you are being eilitist and deriding and it is insulting. no one who works professionally with this stuff expects to have a server in 30 minutes. but i don't think it's too much to ask to have things work correctly from the start. i'm as comfortable as you at getting things working. i did in this case. that's not my point. if you don't get my point, i suggest you examine your 'professional' point of view.
if i wanted to hear an asshole talk i would have farted. i wonder you if actually understand this stuff. i work with this stuff as my day job. i own a company. we do this all day long. i challenge you: take a clean OS X install, for which you want it to be an Open Directory Master and PDC, and see how far you get after the installer says it's all set ad ready to go. go ahead, follow their documentation as well. good luck. You'll get nowhere. Yes, I've got a half dozen xserves and other G4'S running OS X server 10.2 and 10.3 doing a wide range of tasks with no issues. None are dependent on OD and LDAP for everyday file services. My point is that there is every good reason for this to have a minimally configured dns/KDC and LDAP that will at least work for itself for this combination of services, especially when Apple is pitching this as a an easy to implement alternative to an NT/Win2K PDC/AD server.
folks, i'm not throwing this oout as FUD. i'm a long time mac user. apple I. i'm serious about this. if you have any knowledge of these services, you should know that there are critical dependencies with these services, and *as shipped* Apple is not providing working features. and they are not correctible with the front end tools provided. you (all) and myself might not have a problem with making it work, but when you get in the car and put it in drive, it should go.
um, no you miss my point, mr. 'tard. go away.
maybe i wasn't clear. none of it is set up correctly out of the box as the setup process indicates that it is. none of it will work as advertised as shipped. i did get it all working.
having spent half the day yesterday working on getting 10.3 server with Open Directory/PDC mojo working on a brand new xserve, let me just say that Apple does not have 10.3 server configuring itself correctly at all. 1. DNS is not turned on or preconfigured with a minimally working zone file. 2. Kerberos isn't set up or on. And if it isn't set up, Open Directory wont work. Oops, did I mention that DNS isn't on either? That will also prevent Kerberos and OD from working. 3. The LDAP db that gets set up is buggered from the start because of 1 and 2. 4. Because of 1, 2 and 3, forget getting the Windows PDC stuff working. A nice Apple server tech sent me a loooong handwritten doc on what needed to be changed to get it all to work, which it did after I followed it. But, out of the box, even after those nice configuration wizard screens, it just isn't set up correctly. Amazing.