If your goal is a colony on Mars, just go there and do that.
Which would be pretty dumb, colonization wise, because we know the same said Phobos is falling on Mars. Any civilization established there will be wiped out when it happens. Mars is not our long term Ark.
Since it won't hit for 50 million years (according to Wikipedia), you're talking "impossibly far in the future" long term.
There are plenty of very cold places inside the Arctic Circle that are part of existing countries that you could use for your test colony.
In terms of a closer Mars equivalent, something in the ocean would be more useful as a comparison, i.e. you can't go outside without a suit to let you breathe.
But of course that's not as cool and sexy as putting a couple of men on the surface of Mars for a few months.
Mars isn't entirely inhospitable.
Surface air temps in the shade can be as high as 95F, the daily temperature change can be as high as 180 degrees.
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Er, you appear to be forgetting the fact that it doesn't have a breathable atmosphere.
The Arctic is hard to survive in, but people do live there. That's because they can breathe the air.
Mars is impossible without a lot of technological backup.
I'll go, even if it's one way, and even though I have a family -- someone just needs to make sure my kids get into college.and I end up in the history books they'll study.
Yeah, your imaginary kids will be able to read about how their father was a psychotic asshole.
Why invest in coaches and roads when we have horses? Why build electricity infrastructure when we have oil lamps? Why build research flight when we have trains? All of these started off as a silly research project/experiment. Why perform any research when we have functional tech now?
They resulted in quantifiable benefits.
Researching interplanetary travel costs a miniscule percent of our budget
If this was true, there wouldn't be a problem.
R&D is fascinating because you never know what, if anything, it will yield. Not knowing what we might learn is utterly stupid reason not to invest in a project.
R&D is not the same thing as the massive engineering project needed to land people on Mars, which seems (like the Moon landings last century) to be primarily a dick-waving exercise with no obvious long term benefits. (Yeah, I know, Teflon, because we'd never have come up with that otherwise).
I found simple, direct threats to be a very effective technique.
No fancy food parings, no cajoling, no tricky psychological stuff, just "Eat that broccoli or else", with the "else" left unsaid, but being any number of possible things.
"...or else no iPod."
"...or else no TV."
"...or else no computer."
"...or else no oxygen."
I think the last of those might be illegal in some places, so be sure to take legal advice.
Sliders are little round sandwiches, typically hamburger. Deli sliders have something such as lunchmeat, chicken salad, etc. Sliders were trendy in the 90s and 00s in the US, apparently they have trickled down into school cafeterias now.
So they're small sandwiches. Where does the "slider" bit come from?
Kids are great imitators, if they see you eating a food they are likely to copy. I suppose that this might be a problem if the parent does not like vegetables, but learn for the sake of your kids and discover that cooked properly they are good to eat.
I tell my kids that beer is a vegetable smoothie. I know I'm just storing up trouble for the future when they find out the truth.
Maybe because it is an excellent source of vitamins a, c, e, k, thiamin, raboflavin, b6, folate, and pantothentic acid? Not to mention the useful amounts of basically every mineral.
Yeah, but apart from vitamins a, c, e, k, thiamin, raboflavin, b6, folate, and pantothentic acid, not to mention the useful amounts of basically every mineral, what has broccoli ever done for us?
I always liked broccoli. They're like little trees, and I was a huge dinosaur, mowing down the forest with my insatiable appetite as the little woodland critters scurried off in fear, abandoning their nests and burrows with their precious little ones.
I was kinda surprised to learn that most kids didn't enjoy that.
Did your parents used to sprinkle LSD on your veg?
A couple of months ago, my mom sees me struggling to shove (not literally) some veggies down my kid's throat and goes, "Stop trying to force-feed her. Leave the food there and when she's hungry, she'll grab it herself".
Pretty obvious, no? A pity you need a team of researchers and a project to reach this momentous conclusion.
In reality, you'll have to throw the veggies away and give them a piece of cake (or some other sort of snack) later. And the kids know that.
Seems as though they are just vitamins, water and fiber. Well, schools tend to boil the vitamins out, and fiber is arguable whether it's even necessary.
I really hope this was an attempted troll and not a statement of what you actually believe is true.
Actually, it's not dangerous to go without food for a while, even for days.
Not all of can sit at home in the lotus position sipping water and meditating. Try going to work (or school) after you've not eaten for a couple of days and see how well you get on.
I've had a Big Mac and Fries in the US, Europe, Asia and the Middle East and they all taste exactly the same.
I'm fairly confident that if there was a McDonalds in the Antarctic the same would be true.
Whatever slight variations different countries have (e.g. mayonnaise with fries in Holland, or whatever) the basics are the same. It's kind of the whole point.
As for the French, they have long had a fascination with the seedier side of Americn culture (gangsters, film noir, etc).
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It's nothing to do with an individual director's personal liability for criminal acts.
Getting into Phobos orbit would be prohibitively expensive. How will you decelerate?
Crashing into Phobos should decelerate you nicely.
You can land there, but bring with you a rocket launcher, a shotgun, a chainsaw etc. and thousand of ammo crates and medical supplies just to be sure.
Duh, they're already there just lying around waiting to be found.
If your goal is a colony on Mars, just go there and do that.
Which would be pretty dumb, colonization wise, because we know the same said Phobos is falling on Mars. Any civilization established there will be wiped out when it happens. Mars is not our long term Ark.
Since it won't hit for 50 million years (according to Wikipedia), you're talking "impossibly far in the future" long term.
Private space will do it
Yeah, just like it did with the Apollo missions, that sure showed those commies the benefits of free market capitalism.
In terms of a closer Mars equivalent, something in the ocean would be more useful as a comparison, i.e. you can't go outside without a suit to let you breathe.
But of course that's not as cool and sexy as putting a couple of men on the surface of Mars for a few months.
Mars isn't entirely inhospitable. Surface air temps in the shade can be as high as 95F, the daily temperature change can be as high as 180 degrees. Source
Er, you appear to be forgetting the fact that it doesn't have a breathable atmosphere.
The Arctic is hard to survive in, but people do live there. That's because they can breathe the air.
Mars is impossible without a lot of technological backup.
I'll go, even if it's one way, and even though I have a family -- someone just needs to make sure my kids get into college.and I end up in the history books they'll study.
Yeah, your imaginary kids will be able to read about how their father was a psychotic asshole.
Why invest in coaches and roads when we have horses? Why build electricity infrastructure when we have oil lamps? Why build research flight when we have trains? All of these started off as a silly research project/experiment. Why perform any research when we have functional tech now?
They resulted in quantifiable benefits.
Researching interplanetary travel costs a miniscule percent of our budget
If this was true, there wouldn't be a problem.
R&D is fascinating because you never know what, if anything, it will yield. Not knowing what we might learn is utterly stupid reason not to invest in a project.
R&D is not the same thing as the massive engineering project needed to land people on Mars, which seems (like the Moon landings last century) to be primarily a dick-waving exercise with no obvious long term benefits. (Yeah, I know, Teflon, because we'd never have come up with that otherwise).
I found simple, direct threats to be a very effective technique.
No fancy food parings, no cajoling, no tricky psychological stuff, just "Eat that broccoli or else", with the "else" left unsaid, but being any number of possible things.
"...or else no iPod."
"...or else no TV."
"...or else no computer."
"...or else no oxygen."
I think the last of those might be illegal in some places, so be sure to take legal advice.
Sliders are little round sandwiches, typically hamburger. Deli sliders have something such as lunchmeat, chicken salad, etc. Sliders were trendy in the 90s and 00s in the US, apparently they have trickled down into school cafeterias now.
So they're small sandwiches. Where does the "slider" bit come from?
I'd eat fried pickles with just about anything
What? Why?
don't even get me started thinking about fried wickles.
You just made that word up.
Kids are great imitators, if they see you eating a food they are likely to copy. I suppose that this might be a problem if the parent does not like vegetables, but learn for the sake of your kids and discover that cooked properly they are good to eat.
I tell my kids that beer is a vegetable smoothie. I know I'm just storing up trouble for the future when they find out the truth.
In America, "Entree" means the main course
So what do you call a starter then?
Actually, I suppose that most American entrees/main courses are so huge it would be pointless having a starter course.
What reference is that? The only reference I know of is "If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding."*
* Pink Floyd.
Yeah, we don't need no education.
Pink Floyd are the poster child for idiocracy.
Maybe because it is an excellent source of vitamins a, c, e, k, thiamin, raboflavin, b6, folate, and pantothentic acid? Not to mention the useful amounts of basically every mineral.
Yeah, but apart from vitamins a, c, e, k, thiamin, raboflavin, b6, folate, and pantothentic acid, not to mention the useful amounts of basically every mineral, what has broccoli ever done for us?
I always liked broccoli. They're like little trees, and I was a huge dinosaur, mowing down the forest with my insatiable appetite as the little woodland critters scurried off in fear, abandoning their nests and burrows with their precious little ones.
I was kinda surprised to learn that most kids didn't enjoy that.
Did your parents used to sprinkle LSD on your veg?
And that kind of nonsense is why we don't have a pediatrician anymore.
Call me prejudiced if you like, but I've never let pedos anywhere near my kids.
A couple of months ago, my mom sees me struggling to shove (not literally) some veggies down my kid's throat and goes, "Stop trying to force-feed her. Leave the food there and when she's hungry, she'll grab it herself". Pretty obvious, no? A pity you need a team of researchers and a project to reach this momentous conclusion.
In reality, you'll have to throw the veggies away and give them a piece of cake (or some other sort of snack) later. And the kids know that.
That being said, I would not be at all interested in eating a block of cold spam.
The same could be said for a slab of cold gammon or corned beef, or indeed a block of cheese.
Seems as though they are just vitamins, water and fiber. Well, schools tend to boil the vitamins out, and fiber is arguable whether it's even necessary.
I really hope this was an attempted troll and not a statement of what you actually believe is true.
Actually, it's not dangerous to go without food for a while, even for days.
Not all of can sit at home in the lotus position sipping water and meditating. Try going to work (or school) after you've not eaten for a couple of days and see how well you get on.
That doesn't mean the French McDonald's sells the same shit the American McDonald's does.
Of course they do. You just can't get two litre "cups" of coke.
I'm fairly confident that if there was a McDonalds in the Antarctic the same would be true.
Whatever slight variations different countries have (e.g. mayonnaise with fries in Holland, or whatever) the basics are the same. It's kind of the whole point.
As for the French, they have long had a fascination with the seedier side of Americn culture (gangsters, film noir, etc).
"Well, you can walk into a movie theater in Amsterdam and buy a beer. And I don't mean just like in no paper cup, I'm talking about a glass of beer."