I think this is the problem. Christian parents don't want their children being taught something that goes against their beliefs. This isn't all that different from the argument at hand, that believers of evolution don't want religion being taught to their kids.
False equivalence. I don't mind my kids learning about religion (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, whatever), indeed I think it's an important thing to be aware of.
But I don't want religion being substituted for science.
With Tesla being a public company, it could be considered criminal.
Isn't that a criminal libel against the newspaper/reporter? You are claiming that he deliberately wrote a bad review in order to affect the share price? Probably just as well you're an anonymous moron on the internet and not an actual identifiable person.
Well, you can argue all day about this, or simply run the test again with a different reporter. There are a lot of motoring journalists who would jump at the chance, I'd bet.
If Mr Musk gives me a Tesla on "long term loan" I'll write him any fucking review he wants. But then, I'm not a journalist. I suppose I could start a motoring "blog" though.
Monday: new Tesla arrives. Spent ten hours just looking at it. It is the shit.
Tuesday: I have driven 400 miles non stop in my new Tesla. It is the shit.
Wednesday: Have just discovered that the Tesla is not only the world's best car, it is also a veritable pussy magnet. Drove from Mexico to Canada on one charge today. It is the shit.
Somebody being critical of Elon Musk's wunder car (rightly or wrongly) has NOTHING to do with HATE
You're the only person who seems to think it ever did. I am broadly in favor of electric cars, but Tesla keep tripping up over reality and seem incapable of accepting any criticism. Musk himself is a charismatic entrepreneur-type of the kind I dislike on principle, but if he can produce an affordable and practical electgric car, good for him.
It's like putting just enough gas in your car, calculating the route on GPS based on the consumption rate of the fuel, then deciding to deviate from the route and expect to get to your destination thinking god will save you.
FFS, he deviated by a couple of miles. So it's nothing like that at all.
He was driving a car, not navigating a boat or aircraft.
I used to have a 2005 BMW. Whenever I filled it up it would show 330 miles to empty. Yet after 200 city miles the tank would be dry. Amazingly the car was not able to see the future and know how many lights I'd have to stop at. What a crap car. I'll write a scathing article about it.
I expect your car had a tolerably accurate fuel gauge that warned you when you were down to your last gallon or so.
The more people like you try to defend Tesla, the more ridiculously unrealistic their cars start to look.
I doubt the average user is going to get a hotline through to Tesla technical support. And if they do need to, that in itself shows how far from being mature products they are.
If these are just tests, they should have done them before the cars went on sale to the public.
That 1% is the reason my friend called me silly for buying a convertible. Sure, it's a fun ride for 99% of the time but won't be any good when we have to move a piece of furniture.
That is the giant SUV/pickup drivers' excuse that always gets trotted out when people criticise giant SUV/pickups.
"But one day I might need to carry two dirt bikes, a jetski and enough camping equipment for a month, and I can't do that in a fucking Smart car."
Either that, or it turns out they're some sort of ultra-macho carpenter who regularly carries two tons of wood to work.
There are always at least two sides to every story
But sometimes they're just the right side and the wrong side.
You can offer an alternative view of Pol Pot or Hitler's activities, that doesn't mean they're not 99.9% wrong (getting the trains running on time or whatever).
leaning towards Musk not having a valid reason. Tesla gets pretty pissy about any negative PR -- recall the debacle between them and Top Gear, which amounted to nothing more than Tesla being crybabies.
Giving Jeremy Clarkson an electric car to test was about as sensible as giving him a Sinclaair C5. You know he's going to take the piss out of it.
"Otherwise, the article is on par with my experience with hybrids and all-electric vehicles -- the electric motor/battery underperforms."
Underperforms? Tesla Model S is much snappier than most high-end "sport" cars. Performance is most definitely not a problem with batteries. Range, on the other hand, still is.
The word "performance" does not just relate to acceleration and top speed.
The performance of a battery includes how long it holds a charge, how long it takes to recharge, and so on, just like when you see a review of a laptop or phone and the battery's performance is judged.
A more obvious one: do you want a car that you have to remember to fill up with gas?
The difference is, with a gas car, once a week. With an all electric, every day.
Most people (at least outside the US) don't commute a hundred miles plus each way to work every day, and so a range of 265 miles would be enough for most people to last a week.
I'm in the UK and commute about 150 miles a week. If they weren't so expensive I'd have a hybrid/electric car tomorrow.
I find it hard to stop using "the" too, but it seems this is what Ukrainians want. They want the name to become more of a proper name than a description as a borderland. Even in Russian they have made some language adjustments to this end in recent times. So I guess its good to try and respect their wishes.
Fine, so we should call Spain "Espana", Germany "Deutschland" and so on? Paris must be pronounced "Pa-ree", Barcelona "Bar-the-lona" and so on?
If the word "Ukraine" means "borderland to Russia" then they should have chosen a better name for their country. I don't see what difference having "the" makes anyway. If it translated as "silly place full of snow" would it really matter whether we called it Silly Place Full of Snow or The Silly Place Full of Snow?
Also, one can note how "Torino" has ousted "Turin" except for a few set phrases (e.g. "Shroud of Turin").
No it hasn't, at least in the UK. I watched the Juventus game on TV last night, and everyone said they came from Turin. If they had said Torino, it would have confused everyone. The fact that most commentators here pronounce the team "Jew-ventus" is amusing, but it's up to us to decide, not the Italians.
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I think this is the problem. Christian parents don't want their children being taught something that goes against their beliefs. This isn't all that different from the argument at hand, that believers of evolution don't want religion being taught to their kids.
False equivalence. I don't mind my kids learning about religion (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, whatever), indeed I think it's an important thing to be aware of.
But I don't want religion being substituted for science.
It was supposed to be a warning, not a blueprint.
With Tesla being a public company, it could be considered criminal.
Isn't that a criminal libel against the newspaper/reporter? You are claiming that he deliberately wrote a bad review in order to affect the share price? Probably just as well you're an anonymous moron on the internet and not an actual identifiable person.
You can't figure out how to get into the NYT site without paying?
I get one of my Chinese pen pals to do it for me.
Well, you can argue all day about this, or simply run the test again with a different reporter. There are a lot of motoring journalists who would jump at the chance, I'd bet.
If Mr Musk gives me a Tesla on "long term loan" I'll write him any fucking review he wants. But then, I'm not a journalist. I suppose I could start a motoring "blog" though.
Monday: new Tesla arrives. Spent ten hours just looking at it. It is the shit.
Tuesday: I have driven 400 miles non stop in my new Tesla. It is the shit.
Wednesday: Have just discovered that the Tesla is not only the world's best car, it is also a veritable pussy magnet. Drove from Mexico to Canada on one charge today. It is the shit.
Profit!
Somebody being critical of Elon Musk's wunder car (rightly or wrongly) has NOTHING to do with HATE
You're the only person who seems to think it ever did. I am broadly in favor of electric cars, but Tesla keep tripping up over reality and seem incapable of accepting any criticism. Musk himself is a charismatic entrepreneur-type of the kind I dislike on principle, but if he can produce an affordable and practical electgric car, good for him.
I still don't understand why I see so much hatred towards the exciting advancements of electric cars on a technology web forum.
Part of being a nerd is that you don't accept the claims of an interested manufacturer over testable reality.
Heavy handedness is what is at fault
Blame pilot error. It's what airline companies always do when there's a crash, unless there's proof that terrorists exploded a bomb or something.
It's like putting just enough gas in your car, calculating the route on GPS based on the consumption rate of the fuel, then deciding to deviate from the route and expect to get to your destination thinking god will save you.
FFS, he deviated by a couple of miles. So it's nothing like that at all.
He was driving a car, not navigating a boat or aircraft.
I used to have a 2005 BMW. Whenever I filled it up it would show 330 miles to empty. Yet after 200 city miles the tank would be dry. Amazingly the car was not able to see the future and know how many lights I'd have to stop at. What a crap car. I'll write a scathing article about it.
I expect your car had a tolerably accurate fuel gauge that warned you when you were down to your last gallon or so.
I doubt the average user is going to get a hotline through to Tesla technical support. And if they do need to, that in itself shows how far from being mature products they are.
If these are just tests, they should have done them before the cars went on sale to the public.
I think the only idiots in this story are the fucking Elon Musk fanboys who come out of the woodwork whenever his name is mentioned.
That'll sell. And that's really all those old paper rags care about.
Yeah, unlike all the high quality, absolutely objective journalism you get on the internet.
"I wrote about how cool the Tesla is on my facebook page, that's a far more reliable source than some smelly old dead tree newspaper."
Agreed. Otherwise you'd have to drive around in a huge pantechnicon all the time, because once every few years you need to move house.
That 1% is the reason my friend called me silly for buying a convertible. Sure, it's a fun ride for 99% of the time but won't be any good when we have to move a piece of furniture.
That is the giant SUV/pickup drivers' excuse that always gets trotted out when people criticise giant SUV/pickups.
"But one day I might need to carry two dirt bikes, a jetski and enough camping equipment for a month, and I can't do that in a fucking Smart car."
Either that, or it turns out they're some sort of ultra-macho carpenter who regularly carries two tons of wood to work.
There are always at least two sides to every story
But sometimes they're just the right side and the wrong side.
You can offer an alternative view of Pol Pot or Hitler's activities, that doesn't mean they're not 99.9% wrong (getting the trains running on time or whatever).
In the air or on the water, running out of fuel is at least incredibly inconvenient, usually rather dangerous.
Nice understatement, something I never thought I'd say on the internet.
leaning towards Musk not having a valid reason. Tesla gets pretty pissy about any negative PR -- recall the debacle between them and Top Gear, which amounted to nothing more than Tesla being crybabies.
Giving Jeremy Clarkson an electric car to test was about as sensible as giving him a Sinclaair C5. You know he's going to take the piss out of it.
"Otherwise, the article is on par with my experience with hybrids and all-electric vehicles -- the electric motor/battery underperforms." Underperforms? Tesla Model S is much snappier than most high-end "sport" cars. Performance is most definitely not a problem with batteries. Range, on the other hand, still is.
The word "performance" does not just relate to acceleration and top speed.
The performance of a battery includes how long it holds a charge, how long it takes to recharge, and so on, just like when you see a review of a laptop or phone and the battery's performance is judged.
Maybe they have to tell customers some voodoo bullshit rather than telling them to drive their super-duper sports car more sensibly?
A more obvious one: do you want a car that you have to remember to fill up with gas? The difference is, with a gas car, once a week. With an all electric, every day.
Most people (at least outside the US) don't commute a hundred miles plus each way to work every day, and so a range of 265 miles would be enough for most people to last a week.
I'm in the UK and commute about 150 miles a week. If they weren't so expensive I'd have a hybrid/electric car tomorrow.
What's Dice.com?
Extending an already stupid metaphor by mixing it with another stupid metaphor does not create a super-powered metaphor. It creates nonsense.
I find it hard to stop using "the" too, but it seems this is what Ukrainians want. They want the name to become more of a proper name than a description as a borderland. Even in Russian they have made some language adjustments to this end in recent times. So I guess its good to try and respect their wishes.
Fine, so we should call Spain "Espana", Germany "Deutschland" and so on? Paris must be pronounced "Pa-ree", Barcelona "Bar-the-lona" and so on?
If the word "Ukraine" means "borderland to Russia" then they should have chosen a better name for their country. I don't see what difference having "the" makes anyway. If it translated as "silly place full of snow" would it really matter whether we called it Silly Place Full of Snow or The Silly Place Full of Snow?
Also, one can note how "Torino" has ousted "Turin" except for a few set phrases (e.g. "Shroud of Turin").
No it hasn't, at least in the UK. I watched the Juventus game on TV last night, and everyone said they came from Turin. If they had said Torino, it would have confused everyone. The fact that most commentators here pronounce the team "Jew-ventus" is amusing, but it's up to us to decide, not the Italians.