We have one of those in the South of Portugal, my country. I've never been there, but it must be cool. Not as much as Sedlek however, that one is amazing!
Abortion is a pretty subjective issue. A political decision must be made about what is the point in time when we consider the foetus should not be aborted. It's not an easy argument.
Creationism is simply a fantasy. It's not subjective. It's just an argument between people that can reason and analyse objective data and others that live in an ignorance-induced fantasy world.
I took my kids to a church the other day. The church happened to be open for visitors in the middle of the afternoon. It was only out of curiosity, I'm a devout Atheist.
I think the kids should at least see what religion looks like as part of their formation. And it allows to understand a lot of my country's culture and traditions. Also, Catholic churches are profusely decorated, and I though they would like all the colours and the golden stuff.
As usual, the church was full of statues and paintings. There was Jesus dying at the cross, Jesus being whipped by the Romans, Mary crying at the feet of her dead son, sores and blood everywhere. There were some paintings showing the martyrdom of some saints I don't know the names of, with arrows stuck on their bodies, sores, blood, and so on.
I genuinely fear for their lives, they are amorphous blob of flesh with NO skills. Things will be bad for them when oil money is not their to grease their slide.
No problem, by then they'll already own all American and European banks and corporations. No skills needed.
And so you will have no objection to the government deciding to put a GPS chip in the head of your dick either, correct?. And that is exactly what you will eventually get, if we keep up with your line of thinking.
Yes, because both situations are perfeclty comparable and your example makes perfect sense. Let me guess, you were a star at your debate club, no?
Where is it written the "public schools are supposed to be secular"? I'm not aware of any law or passage in the Constitution that says that.
Don't ask me, I don't know your constitution that well. Mine says pretty clearly that the State is secular. Public schools are a branch of the State.
And they don't have to forbid foods for everyone, they just have to have different menus for every religion. Sure, it'll be expensive as hell (esp. if they demand the food be prepared in separate kitchens to avoid contamination), but that's the price of religious diversity and a guarantee that government can't interfere in peoples' religion (which can be argued that public schools have to provide an environment that meets religious standards, e.g. providing lunches that are acceptable to people in that religion, if they're going to provide lunches at all).
Maybe the First Amendment wasn't that great an idea after all...
One of the reasons I hate religion so much. Why don't people stop being so picky about things that don't matter a flying fuck?
Actually, the anti-vaxxer movement could be a fantastic way of getting dumbfuck retards out of the gene pool.
Where your reasoning fails is that most mental retardation is not the result of genetics, but instead the result of pregnancy complications. The mentally retarded seldom have children of their own.
And on top of that, none of these diseases kill every victim. I have a friend who caught polio right about the time the Sauk vaccine was being developed, and he's still around, although he has a couple of disabilities.
I can only say: Wooooooooosh!
And in every place I've seen, public school systems won't let an unvaccinated child attend, although that probably doesn't apply to private and religious schools.
One more reason to keep my kids in a public school and keep fighting for free, good quality public education, instead of giving up and putting them in a private school where money is king.
What are you talking about? Public school is supposed to be for everyone, plus I thought that in most places you were required to send kids to school under a certain age. So if the government is going to make school mandatory, then it has to cater to everyone's nutty religious beliefs.
No it hasn't. It's impossible to cater to all the different pettiest little stupid things every religion has issues with. Public schools are supposed to be secular, if people belonging to some religion want to force their views on others, create their own private schools for nutties and leave the rest of us alone.
What comes next? All girls will have to wear a hijab at school to avoid offending Muslim students' parents? Institute Iyaric as working language to avoid offending Rastafarian students' parents? Forbid leather attire to avoid offending Hindu students' parents? Ban pork from school menus? That's a funny one, if you started forbidding all the foods that offend one religion or the other, the only item the school menus would be allowed to have was water.
- The originator of the Thermiosol scare was a British doctor. The entire scare started there and continues, despite the complete debunking of his bogus study. There are anti-vaxxers all over Western society in part because of this one doctor.
You are right, there have been anti-vaxxer campaigns in some European countries. Fortunately, nothing that I'm aware of, here in Portugal. If it wasn't for Slashdot, I would have never known about the anti-vaxxer movement, and it sure looks like yet another obscurantist American phenomenon.
- Many many people in Britain and the rest of Europe don't buy the AGW bunkum. It doesn't make one "Anti-Science" to disbelieve junk science. NOTE: Not believing in AGW does not mean one rejects the idea that the Earth's climate can or does change. Change is the only constant in the Universe.
So, Is the Earth's climate changing? Youbetcha. It's part of a long period cycle. Are humans causing it? No evidence to support that, so no reason to radically restructure our society to some Communist "Utopia" right now. (Not that Communism would solve AGW anyway. Command economies are far too slow reacting to be able to adjust for even a minor climate change.)
Oh fuck. Not the same fucking bullshit again. Yeah dude, have it whatever you like. I quit.
- You are pretty much dead on on the Economic front. Too much "Chicago" or "Frankfurt" school thinking going on right now. Lefties never learn that their policies don't work.
WTF??? You mean Reagan, Thatcher, Merkel, Barroso, Sarkozi, are all leftists after all? Wow!
I don't want my kids contaminated with avoidable diseases because some retarded parents have some unfounded issues against vaccination. How can that possibly be an overstretched nose?
Not to mention that while the risk of vaccination is tiny and far less that the risk from catching the disease that risk is not zero and you can imagine the outcry when someone gets unlucky and becomes seriously ill or dies from an enforced vaccination.
Bullshit. The risks of vaccination are tiny, and in a much lower order of magnitude of the risks of not being vaccinated.
If you are so self-assured about your bullshit why don't you use your account name instead of posting as AC? Oh, I see, using lies and nonsense to troll the forum leads to bad karma, right?
Yeah. Ask anyone who's ever had to get a 'booster' shot (pretty much everyone, if they've gone to the doctor and been tested for it) how effective their first shot was. You know, the first shot that was supposed to give them life-long immunity.
Ask someone who's gotten chicken pox in adulthood for the first time how bad their case was and compare it to people who got chicken pox as a child, before chicken pox vaccination became common (or available). My father had chicken pox when he was 35; he was in the hospital for a week, sick for a month, and almost died. That is a common non-childhood response to chicken pox, but it's what's going to happen to people who don't get chicken pox as children if they do not keep up a regular regimen of chicken pox vaccinations throughout their lives.
At least they're finally admitting that, with chicken pox vaccinations, there isn't a life-long immunity. It's a good thing, I suppose, because unlike most of the other things children are vaccinated for which aren't deadly in later life, chicken pox is.
It's as plain as the nose on your face, if you'd just open your eyes.
So, get your booster shots. I never caught varicella, but one of my kids did, so I shouldn't have a problem. Varicella vaccine is not mandatory in my country, anyway.
At least in my country, not taking precautions to avoid contaminating others with a contagious disease is a felony.
It's a felony to sneeze in public in your country? What a bunch of germaphobes. There the hell do you live, Japan?
No, it's not. But to deliberately contaminate someone with an infectious disease is.
Sorry, but it's possible we can't really do that here. Our First Amendment prohibits government interference in religion (or at least it's been interpreted that way), and this is frequently a religious matter.
Nobody is forcing the religious nuts to attend public school. If they don't want to vaccinate their children, home-school them or create their own anti-vaxxer private schools.
As for America becoming Uganda, you haven't been here lately, have you? Surely just reading the news about this place should make it obvious that we're quickly becoming like that.
Do you know what a hyperbole is? Actually, I have been there, and it looks nothing like Uganda. I wasn't in the miserably poor regions, however. But I only know Uganda from TV anyway.
If the state is going to require my children to be sent to their institution, it seems somewhat unreasonable to me that they should also be able to mandate my children to have needless shots (in many cases, eg. MMR) before hand.
Nobody says you should put your kids in a public school. Home-school them, or use a private school.
Keep in mind that a vaccine does not stop the person from actually getting the illness, and in fact may in some ways make it worse. This is becoming increasingly clear, but it may take a while for the dissonance to clear up before people realize it.
WTF??? Care to show some facts?
Using your logic, if I sneeze in a public place, you should be entitled in defending yourself from me by hitting me in the face.
At least in my country, not taking precautions to avoid contaminating others with a contagious disease is a felony.
It contains a tiny amount of mercury, smaller than you'd get from eating fish. So, what's the problem? If you dread mercury that much, don't drink water or eat fish.
Who are "they"? It was just a simple study! You make it sound like there's a hidden conspiracy for drugging Humanity!
Don't be afraid to re-evaluate your beliefs from time to time. Culture, attitudes, environment...life...changes, and so should you.
I do, you clearly don't. Otherwise, you'd be showing me any valid data, not trying to fool me into your beliefs using out-of-context data and alarmist bullshit.
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No problem :-)
But there was a tip you missed:
it allows to understand a lot of my country's culture and traditions. Also, Catholic churches are profusely decorated
Could hardly be American...
I'm European :-)
We have one of those in the South of Portugal, my country. I've never been there, but it must be cool. Not as much as Sedlek however, that one is amazing!
Yes, because we want engineers unable of critical thinking building our bridges. What could possibly go wrong?
You're comparing apples and oranges.
Abortion is a pretty subjective issue. A political decision must be made about what is the point in time when we consider the foetus should not be aborted. It's not an easy argument.
Creationism is simply a fantasy. It's not subjective. It's just an argument between people that can reason and analyse objective data and others that live in an ignorance-induced fantasy world.
I took my kids to a church the other day. The church happened to be open for visitors in the middle of the afternoon. It was only out of curiosity, I'm a devout Atheist.
I think the kids should at least see what religion looks like as part of their formation. And it allows to understand a lot of my country's culture and traditions. Also, Catholic churches are profusely decorated, and I though they would like all the colours and the golden stuff.
As usual, the church was full of statues and paintings. There was Jesus dying at the cross, Jesus being whipped by the Romans, Mary crying at the feet of her dead son, sores and blood everywhere. There were some paintings showing the martyrdom of some saints I don't know the names of, with arrows stuck on their bodies, sores, blood, and so on.
They completely hated it.
Well, scientists who are self-confident will just tell the fundamentalists to go fuck themselves and proceed with the good work.
I genuinely fear for their lives, they are amorphous blob of flesh with NO skills. Things will be bad for them when oil money is not their to grease their slide.
No problem, by then they'll already own all American and European banks and corporations. No skills needed.
Reminds me of a cod fish, but uglier. I wonder if it tastes the same...
Fuck, now I'm hungry.
No problem, the students in Computer Science degrees won't notice any difference, anyway.
And so you will have no objection to the government deciding to put a GPS chip in the head of your dick either, correct?. And that is exactly what you will eventually get, if we keep up with your line of thinking.
Yes, because both situations are perfeclty comparable and your example makes perfect sense. Let me guess, you were a star at your debate club, no?
Sometimes I can't avoid liking the French.
Where is it written the "public schools are supposed to be secular"? I'm not aware of any law or passage in the Constitution that says that.
Don't ask me, I don't know your constitution that well. Mine says pretty clearly that the State is secular. Public schools are a branch of the State.
And they don't have to forbid foods for everyone, they just have to have different menus for every religion. Sure, it'll be expensive as hell (esp. if they demand the food be prepared in separate kitchens to avoid contamination), but that's the price of religious diversity and a guarantee that government can't interfere in peoples' religion (which can be argued that public schools have to provide an environment that meets religious standards, e.g. providing lunches that are acceptable to people in that religion, if they're going to provide lunches at all).
Maybe the First Amendment wasn't that great an idea after all...
One of the reasons I hate religion so much. Why don't people stop being so picky about things that don't matter a flying fuck?
Have you bothered to read the other posts in this discussion? The answer to your question was already answered a thousand times upstream.
If the shot prevents my kids from getting HPV, why should I care if Glaxo makes money? Good for them.
The companies that produce food make a shitload of money. Should I stop eating and die from starvation?
I know people who got lesions from HPV, fortunately they didn't develop into cancers. I wish we could have this shot when we were kids.
Actually, the anti-vaxxer movement could be a fantastic way of getting dumbfuck retards out of the gene pool.
Where your reasoning fails is that most mental retardation is not the result of genetics, but instead the result of pregnancy complications. The mentally retarded seldom have children of their own.
And on top of that, none of these diseases kill every victim. I have a friend who caught polio right about the time the Sauk vaccine was being developed, and he's still around, although he has a couple of disabilities.
I can only say: Wooooooooosh!
And in every place I've seen, public school systems won't let an unvaccinated child attend, although that probably doesn't apply to private and religious schools.
One more reason to keep my kids in a public school and keep fighting for free, good quality public education, instead of giving up and putting them in a private school where money is king.
What are you talking about? Public school is supposed to be for everyone, plus I thought that in most places you were required to send kids to school under a certain age. So if the government is going to make school mandatory, then it has to cater to everyone's nutty religious beliefs.
No it hasn't. It's impossible to cater to all the different pettiest little stupid things every religion has issues with. Public schools are supposed to be secular, if people belonging to some religion want to force their views on others, create their own private schools for nutties and leave the rest of us alone.
What comes next? All girls will have to wear a hijab at school to avoid offending Muslim students' parents? Institute Iyaric as working language to avoid offending Rastafarian students' parents? Forbid leather attire to avoid offending Hindu students' parents? Ban pork from school menus? That's a funny one, if you started forbidding all the foods that offend one religion or the other, the only item the school menus would be allowed to have was water.
Just so you know;
- The originator of the Thermiosol scare was a British doctor. The entire scare started there and continues, despite the complete debunking of his bogus study. There are anti-vaxxers all over Western society in part because of this one doctor.
You are right, there have been anti-vaxxer campaigns in some European countries. Fortunately, nothing that I'm aware of, here in Portugal. If it wasn't for Slashdot, I would have never known about the anti-vaxxer movement, and it sure looks like yet another obscurantist American phenomenon.
- Many many people in Britain and the rest of Europe don't buy the AGW bunkum. It doesn't make one "Anti-Science" to disbelieve junk science. NOTE: Not believing in AGW does not mean one rejects the idea that the Earth's climate can or does change. Change is the only constant in the Universe.
So, Is the Earth's climate changing? Youbetcha. It's part of a long period cycle. Are humans causing it? No evidence to support that, so no reason to radically restructure our society to some Communist "Utopia" right now. (Not that Communism would solve AGW anyway. Command economies are far too slow reacting to be able to adjust for even a minor climate change.)
Oh fuck. Not the same fucking bullshit again. Yeah dude, have it whatever you like. I quit.
- You are pretty much dead on on the Economic front. Too much "Chicago" or "Frankfurt" school thinking going on right now. Lefties never learn that their policies don't work.
WTF??? You mean Reagan, Thatcher, Merkel, Barroso, Sarkozi, are all leftists after all? Wow!
I don't want my kids contaminated with avoidable diseases because some retarded parents have some unfounded issues against vaccination. How can that possibly be an overstretched nose?
Not to mention that while the risk of vaccination is tiny and far less that the risk from catching the disease that risk is not zero and you can imagine the outcry when someone gets unlucky and becomes seriously ill or dies from an enforced vaccination.
Bullshit. The risks of vaccination are tiny, and in a much lower order of magnitude of the risks of not being vaccinated.
If you are so self-assured about your bullshit why don't you use your account name instead of posting as AC? Oh, I see, using lies and nonsense to troll the forum leads to bad karma, right?
WTF??? Care to show some facts?
Yeah. Ask anyone who's ever had to get a 'booster' shot (pretty much everyone, if they've gone to the doctor and been tested for it) how effective their first shot was. You know, the first shot that was supposed to give them life-long immunity.
Ask someone who's gotten chicken pox in adulthood for the first time how bad their case was and compare it to people who got chicken pox as a child, before chicken pox vaccination became common (or available). My father had chicken pox when he was 35; he was in the hospital for a week, sick for a month, and almost died. That is a common non-childhood response to chicken pox, but it's what's going to happen to people who don't get chicken pox as children if they do not keep up a regular regimen of chicken pox vaccinations throughout their lives.
At least they're finally admitting that, with chicken pox vaccinations, there isn't a life-long immunity. It's a good thing, I suppose, because unlike most of the other things children are vaccinated for which aren't deadly in later life, chicken pox is.
It's as plain as the nose on your face, if you'd just open your eyes.
So, get your booster shots. I never caught varicella, but one of my kids did, so I shouldn't have a problem. Varicella vaccine is not mandatory in my country, anyway.
At least in my country, not taking precautions to avoid contaminating others with a contagious disease is a felony.
It's a felony to sneeze in public in your country? What a bunch of germaphobes. There the hell do you live, Japan?
No, it's not. But to deliberately contaminate someone with an infectious disease is.
I avoid the new one for the virus behind cervical cancer as I am astronomically unlikely to ever be exposed.
As most slashdotters are.
Sorry, but it's possible we can't really do that here. Our First Amendment prohibits government interference in religion (or at least it's been interpreted that way), and this is frequently a religious matter.
Nobody is forcing the religious nuts to attend public school. If they don't want to vaccinate their children, home-school them or create their own anti-vaxxer private schools.
As for America becoming Uganda, you haven't been here lately, have you? Surely just reading the news about this place should make it obvious that we're quickly becoming like that.
Do you know what a hyperbole is? Actually, I have been there, and it looks nothing like Uganda. I wasn't in the miserably poor regions, however. But I only know Uganda from TV anyway.
If the state is going to require my children to be sent to their institution, it seems somewhat unreasonable to me that they should also be able to mandate my children to have needless shots (in many cases, eg. MMR) before hand.
Nobody says you should put your kids in a public school. Home-school them, or use a private school.
Keep in mind that a vaccine does not stop the person from actually getting the illness, and in fact may in some ways make it worse. This is becoming increasingly clear, but it may take a while for the dissonance to clear up before people realize it.
WTF??? Care to show some facts?
Using your logic, if I sneeze in a public place, you should be entitled in defending yourself from me by hitting me in the face.
At least in my country, not taking precautions to avoid contaminating others with a contagious disease is a felony.
You post is just a bunch of straw men attacks.
You do know that the authorities want to administer Gardasil to boys, right?
What's wrong with that?
The flu shot contains mercury (it's good for your baby, "they" say)?
It contains a tiny amount of mercury, smaller than you'd get from eating fish. So, what's the problem? If you dread mercury that much, don't drink water or eat fish.
They are also recommending lithium be added to drinking water, as well.
Who are "they"? It was just a simple study! You make it sound like there's a hidden conspiracy for drugging Humanity!
Don't be afraid to re-evaluate your beliefs from time to time. Culture, attitudes, environment...life...changes, and so should you.
I do, you clearly don't. Otherwise, you'd be showing me any valid data, not trying to fool me into your beliefs using out-of-context data and alarmist bullshit.