What it matters is that it gets done. Patents exist for a limited time frame. Now there's a lot of economic harm that can happen in that time frame, but the hypothetical argument is that the long-term consequences of new ideas fostered by patents are positive.
Are they actually beneficial? I'm as skeptical as anyone about it, and don't know how you'd even begin to measure it. But patent trolls being forced to design and build things? That is an undeniable situational improvement over the status quo.
An entire group of people being those engaged in the misogynistic behavior, yes?
Oh you mean "gamers"? You misread that, doofus. Try again it says "Gamer culture." A culture can have attributes, even if they don't map to all(or even most) members of that culture, a common point you have to raise from the OTHER side when people condemn an entire culture as being bad or evil. Which is not what anyone is saying here.
Because a culture is, by definition: "The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought."
I'm terribly sorry to say that misogyny is a visible behavior pattern without the gaming community.
Or if you don't like that one, and think I'm cherry picking: "These patterns, traits, and products considered as the expression of a particular period, class, community, or population"
And I don't really want them to be garbage. That's a horrible thing to be right about.
I'd love to be wrong about that. I'd love for there to be an oversimplification I'm making, that causes me to miss the good intentions forest for the misogyny and conspiracy trees.
But genuine concern for "the state of games journalism" just doesn't map onto the actual behavior at all.
And yet a google search on the term accross several pages of results reveals exactly zero people using that phrase to do anything other than describe strawfeminists, either like you're doing, unironically and stupidly, or ironically and mockingly like the comic.
There's no "anger management" problems with pointing out in no uncertain terms that a lot of people here are straight up morally wrong. You are bad people. I am angry because you should stop that.
You won't. I don't know what's wrong with your mind, but something is. So you won't.
Oh, no a sexist shitheel is going to accuse me of moral failings.
That argument might work if you'd ever done anything good for the world. Or had any sort of ethical defense for yourself, but really. You just use the idea of hypocrisy as cover. A shield for your own reprehensible beliefs.
To paraphrase you, "You're a misandrist, that's the only excuse for why you'd call me out on my bullshit, using scientific observation, and the pragmatic reality that's being reported"
It just doesn't hold up. It's become entirely apparent that real men's issues are less of a concern to MRAs than they are to feminists and the whole facade exists just to make backhanded misogynistic claims, while adopting the style, but not substance of arguments for equality.
One doesn't have to go far into the movement to see it either. While feminists have fought for decades for the mere chance to be front-line combat soldiers, MRAs sites use the lack of a female draft requirement to bitch about women having the right to vote. It's a facade on misogyny, and a flimsy one at that. You're not fooling anyone with your bullshit tu quoque arguments.
I've done "bad things". You've done "bad things". That objections is stupid and you knew it when you typed it.
What they haven't done is anything justifying this gigantic shitpile of hate and threats. Which exists because of misogyny. And you have to know you're lying if you claim otherwise.
Take your just world hypothesis bullshit and shove it. If they did something illegal, let the courts handle it. (spoiler, they didn't)
I don't know why you guys need to fall back on fictional stereotypes to criticize people who are pointing out sexism. There's no world in which that doesn't prove their point.
Because the sexists defend the hell out of each other. And love to allege "you're the real bigot" to protect their ego from facing the reality of how their beliefs are wrong.
Like, I have a hard time with the general concept of "patriarchy" but this whole thread is sexists defending sexists in a kinda self sustaining system almost exactly as described. It'd be intellectually fascinating if they didn't represent an absolutely terrible thing for the world.
Dude, "we" is first person plural. And it's reasonable to make inferences about other non-morons.
And I like that you can't resist dropping a stupid hyperbolic lie on top of your "I don't understand english" red flag. I'm part of the amateur non-idiot group. I'd love for you to join us some day.
I don't really have explanation. One thing is clear from reading this is that they're stupid conspiratorial morons.
Like, super credulous about anything that casts prominent individuals as malicious manipulative actors. Part of that is just sexism, you know the old "women lie" stereotype. But part of it is that they're pathetic. None of them has ever done anything of note. So they see people who do get recognition as manipulating events to put themselves on top.
I suspect what we're seeing is the psychology of losers amplified through the lens of misogyny. Hard to say for sure though. We'll never get honest self-analysis from this crowd.
No one thinks she is. But unless she's committing murder, this reaction is overblown. We think the people attacking her are scum for making something that would be a small deal for any male in a similar position into one of the biggest conspiracies ever.
And that their actions reinforce the notion that misogynistic beliefs have become endemic to the "culture" of gaming, inasmuch as it has one.
People are objecting not because Quinn and Sarkeesian are angels, on a pedestal and beyond reproach, but because there are elements of culture that are causing this problem and standing up against it is the only thing that's going to see change.
Yes, I'm mad like I'd be mad at a lynching, in that you are a bad person. And playing the "you're taking my morally repugnant opinions seriously, you lose" card is really old.
Don't be the kind of person whose existence is a bad thing.
I'm going to keep getting modded down for not being part of the misogynistic hivemind that slashdot has, but seriously. I don't care. This is a case where mods are wrong, you're wrong, this shit is wrong. And I'm going to be hostile to morally reprehensible people like you because you need to know you're a bad person.
Do you get that you're inventing arbitrary justifications for horrible shit?
Do you just need to stop her from pointing out rather obvious things about the video game industry that much? Like you're being hurt by her videos?
Is it so hard not to be a morally reprehensible piece of garbage?
It's a fucking jpg, with the stupidest analysis this side of "loose change"
Do you get that it makes you look like paranoid morons scarping to excuse the absolute shitton of threats she's gotten not limited to that one fucking image?
You can look at tweets directed to @femfreq any given time period since the kickstarter and find dozens of things just like this. You just object to the one she happened to screenshot?
Because you're shitfucks? Morons? I don't get what's wrong with you.
You're a moron. An honest-to-god moron. How do you look at that image and go "yep, great deconstruction" and not "this is like 9/11 truther-style conspriacy theorizing"?
You get that A. She was getting constant threats directed at her twitter B. Twitter shows her her live feed, and she can screencap this shit as soon as it comes in and C. You're a fucking moron.
None of that textual deconstruction says anything to me other than "I'm looking for a reason to deny this because I'm a piece of shit"
Scrutiny isn't a sin, but being credulous about someone fearing for their life, and not random nonsensical jpg-based "analysis" by anonymous morons on the internet is kind fucking stupid.
But misogynists looking to brew up some hate said she did. And then mindlessly, like completely pieces of human garbage, repeat the charge, without so much as an attempt to locate a source for the statement(believe me, I've tried, because I actually care about being a liar).
Do you get how terrible you are? You're awful. You're taking a fictional statement that was never made, and using that as justifications for death threats. How hard is it not to be an awful human being?
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What it matters is that it gets done. Patents exist for a limited time frame. Now there's a lot of economic harm that can happen in that time frame, but the hypothetical argument is that the long-term consequences of new ideas fostered by patents are positive.
Are they actually beneficial? I'm as skeptical as anyone about it, and don't know how you'd even begin to measure it.
But patent trolls being forced to design and build things? That is an undeniable situational improvement over the status quo.
An entire group of people being those engaged in the misogynistic behavior, yes?
Oh you mean "gamers"? You misread that, doofus. Try again it says "Gamer culture." A culture can have attributes, even if they don't map to all(or even most) members of that culture, a common point you have to raise from the OTHER side when people condemn an entire culture as being bad or evil. Which is not what anyone is saying here.
Because a culture is, by definition: "The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought."
I'm terribly sorry to say that misogyny is a visible behavior pattern without the gaming community.
Or if you don't like that one, and think I'm cherry picking: "These patterns, traits, and products considered as the expression of a particular period, class, community, or population"
And I don't really want them to be garbage. That's a horrible thing to be right about.
I'd love to be wrong about that. I'd love for there to be an oversimplification I'm making, that causes me to miss the good intentions forest for the misogyny and conspiracy trees.
But genuine concern for "the state of games journalism" just doesn't map onto the actual behavior at all.
Is that punishing patent trolls causes innovation.
And yet a google search on the term accross several pages of results reveals exactly zero people using that phrase to do anything other than describe strawfeminists, either like you're doing, unironically and stupidly, or ironically and mockingly like the comic.
So, good job. You have no real points.
You're still trying the "you're angry" nonsense.
You get that it's completely reasonable to be angry with a person doing or saying evil things, right?
There's no "anger management" problems with pointing out in no uncertain terms that a lot of people here are straight up morally wrong. You are bad people. I am angry because you should stop that.
You won't. I don't know what's wrong with your mind, but something is. So you won't.
Oh, no a sexist shitheel is going to accuse me of moral failings.
That argument might work if you'd ever done anything good for the world. Or had any sort of ethical defense for yourself, but really. You just use the idea of hypocrisy as cover. A shield for your own reprehensible beliefs.
To paraphrase you,
"You're a misandrist, that's the only excuse for why you'd call me out on my bullshit, using scientific observation, and the pragmatic reality that's being reported"
It just doesn't hold up. It's become entirely apparent that real men's issues are less of a concern to MRAs than they are to feminists and the whole facade exists just to make backhanded misogynistic claims, while adopting the style, but not substance of arguments for equality.
One doesn't have to go far into the movement to see it either. While feminists have fought for decades for the mere chance to be front-line combat soldiers, MRAs sites use the lack of a female draft requirement to bitch about women having the right to vote. It's a facade on misogyny, and a flimsy one at that. You're not fooling anyone with your bullshit tu quoque arguments.
I've done "bad things". You've done "bad things". That objections is stupid and you knew it when you typed it.
What they haven't done is anything justifying this gigantic shitpile of hate and threats. Which exists because of misogyny. And you have to know you're lying if you claim otherwise.
Take your just world hypothesis bullshit and shove it. If they did something illegal, let the courts handle it. (spoiler, they didn't)
Is that a straw feminist in the closet?
I don't know why you guys need to fall back on fictional stereotypes to criticize people who are pointing out sexism. There's no world in which that doesn't prove their point.
Because the sexists defend the hell out of each other. And love to allege "you're the real bigot" to protect their ego from facing the reality of how their beliefs are wrong.
Like, I have a hard time with the general concept of "patriarchy" but this whole thread is sexists defending sexists in a kinda self sustaining system almost exactly as described. It'd be intellectually fascinating if they didn't represent an absolutely terrible thing for the world.
Dude, "we" is first person plural. And it's reasonable to make inferences about other non-morons.
And I like that you can't resist dropping a stupid hyperbolic lie on top of your "I don't understand english" red flag. I'm part of the amateur non-idiot group. I'd love for you to join us some day.
I don't really have explanation. One thing is clear from reading this is that they're stupid conspiratorial morons.
Like, super credulous about anything that casts prominent individuals as malicious manipulative actors. Part of that is just sexism, you know the old "women lie" stereotype. But part of it is that they're pathetic. None of them has ever done anything of note. So they see people who do get recognition as manipulating events to put themselves on top.
I suspect what we're seeing is the psychology of losers amplified through the lens of misogyny. Hard to say for sure though. We'll never get honest self-analysis from this crowd.
Oh no how ever will I handle this utterly brainless tu quoque by a shitty person?
I might have no choice but to live my life without being a terrible human being and just pity you.
No one thinks she is. But unless she's committing murder, this reaction is overblown. We think the people attacking her are scum for making something that would be a small deal for any male in a similar position into one of the biggest conspiracies ever.
And that their actions reinforce the notion that misogynistic beliefs have become endemic to the "culture" of gaming, inasmuch as it has one.
And that actually ties back to Sarkeesian's work, because science has shown that objectified media leads to this kind of hostility and discrimination against women.
People are objecting not because Quinn and Sarkeesian are angels, on a pedestal and beyond reproach, but because there are elements of culture that are causing this problem and standing up against it is the only thing that's going to see change.
Or...
Just try this out.
You could not be a piece of shit for no reason.
Yes, I'm mad like I'd be mad at a lynching, in that you are a bad person. And playing the "you're taking my morally repugnant opinions seriously, you lose" card is really old.
Don't be the kind of person whose existence is a bad thing.
Nope. Enjoy siding with the worse people.
She did call the damn cops.
What is wrong with you?
I'm going to keep getting modded down for not being part of the misogynistic hivemind that slashdot has, but seriously. I don't care. This is a case where mods are wrong, you're wrong, this shit is wrong. And I'm going to be hostile to morally reprehensible people like you because you need to know you're a bad person.
Do you get that you're inventing arbitrary justifications for horrible shit?
Do you just need to stop her from pointing out rather obvious things about the video game industry that much? Like you're being hurt by her videos?
Is it so hard not to be a morally reprehensible piece of garbage?
Holy shit, you're fucking garbage.
Why do you guys keep linking that stupid trash?
It's a fucking jpg, with the stupidest analysis this side of "loose change"
Do you get that it makes you look like paranoid morons scarping to excuse the absolute shitton of threats she's gotten not limited to that one fucking image?
You can look at tweets directed to @femfreq any given time period since the kickstarter and find dozens of things just like this. You just object to the one she happened to screenshot?
Because you're shitfucks? Morons? I don't get what's wrong with you.
Oh my god, threats with good grammar!
No one types good grammar their first try!
You're a moron. An honest-to-god moron. How do you look at that image and go "yep, great deconstruction" and not "this is like 9/11 truther-style conspriacy theorizing"?
You get that
A. She was getting constant threats directed at her twitter
B. Twitter shows her her live feed, and she can screencap this shit as soon as it comes in
and
C. You're a fucking moron.
None of that textual deconstruction says anything to me other than "I'm looking for a reason to deny this because I'm a piece of shit"
Scrutiny isn't a sin, but being credulous about someone fearing for their life, and not random nonsensical jpg-based "analysis" by anonymous morons on the internet is kind fucking stupid.
Really fucking stupid.
Okay, except that this thread is full of exactly that sort of excuse making, making OP right. Do you follow that thread of logic?
One "side" didn't threaten to murder and rape people over youtube videos.
How about you link the video. Because, for all the mindless repeating of this statement, I've only ever seen that she didn't like one particular genre
Hey, look this lie again.
She never said it. Ever.
But misogynists looking to brew up some hate said she did. And then mindlessly, like completely pieces of human garbage, repeat the charge, without so much as an attempt to locate a source for the statement(believe me, I've tried, because I actually care about being a liar).
Do you get how terrible you are? You're awful. You're taking a fictional statement that was never made, and using that as justifications for death threats. How hard is it not to be an awful human being?