Your right... I am stuck in the middle but the more clones of clones I see comming out the more I miss the variety of the past.
Being such a big zelda fan... I wasnt amused to see the same game comming out for the GBA.....
I also used to love the snes version of MarioKart... After completing all the new levels on the GBA.. playing it back mirror THEN unlocking the same ones I used to play on my snes was great... why didnt they do that for Zelda? If they created a new plot, a few extra areas (instead of 1 new dungeon) but used the existing graphics sets/engine the game would have been a gem in my eyes....
As an older gamer I have no use for the 4-player option, its hard enough finding a fellow GBA owner nevermind 4 of them!
But like you missed a lot of the snes titles I did with the genesis/megadrive.. although I played a lot of them emulated, there was never a game that really stuck out that I have plans on going back to.. sure it was a nice change...
As you say though, a lot of it is simply marketing and street cred.. I've seen a lot of bad comments regarding Reggie but I honestly believe he'll help to put Nintendo back into the christmas lists for younger players atleast. I only wish they had done this for the N64 and that they havent left it too late. (half my enthusiasm in this is that I really dont want Nintendo to be swallowed up by bad decision making like SEGA was)
I realise what you say about if I dont want it don't buy it, I never bought the GBA zelda... but I cant stop feeling that I (and many others) would have if they'd put more effort into it. And that has to be another good thing for Nintendo..
I've never been a big Pole Position fan heh, last racing games I played on mame would have been Continental Circus/Circuits or the ChaseHQ series... no hardware acceleration... no polygons... just damn well drawn large 2D sprites.... The Amiga/consoles of the time just couldnt do those games justice on the home ports.
My question is... why are the kids playing 'mature' games in the first place? Blame the game? Blame irresponsible parents?
Maybe if everybody played by the rules Nintendo would have a more level playing field.
No I wouldnt stop my kids watching films above certain ratings or playing Doom 3 or whatever... but I'd say it was the parents that needed their heads checked rather than banning video games. Alcohol has an age restriction for a reason.. 'too much' can get you in a lot of trouble.. games are no exception at that age, yet parents arent willing to take the same precautions to ensure sensible usage.
Damn I loved RoboCop when I was 12 lol dont understand the Aliens/RoboCop action figures you can buy now if the majority of companies aren't illegaly aiming adult content at children...
I think you could almost argue that it's more the inability of children these days to understand what true gameplay really is.
The games we grew up with on the SNES and in the arcades are totally different from the ones the kids are growing up with now. Too much emphasis is on the graphics (DOOM3 perfect example) and the graphics are the only thing selling most of these games.
Most kids now, don't have the attention spam to complete the 96+ levels of Mario and have more money to spend on new games every fortnight than to actually complete the games they already have.
I remember the playground fights between the nintendo and megadrive/genesis fanboys... I always felt that although Nintendo paid more attention to the small details in games, SEGA sold most of theirs simply because they were adult orientated. It pissed me off that Mortal Kombat on the SNES had grey blood... because Nintendo refused to unleash the 'realism' to their followers.
Being a huge Zelda fam, I was very disappointed to see the kiddy style cell shading in The Wind Waker... but it didnt stop me appreciating the time spent creating what I began to realise was a masterpiece in itself. Nintendo started targetting the children... and not realising that times have changed since my schoolroom arguments. Nintendo used to own the kids market and they've just recently realised that is not the case anymore.
With Doom 3 I can understand that ID's game is more a technology preview than anything else (to sell the engine rather than the game itself) I respect that. I also respect the GTA series of games and remember that when they almost banned the original GTA -- I wanted it more !!
Too many games now are selling for their adult nature and realism alone with little attention paid to "will they go back once its completed?"
Nintendo were VERY lucky this time around that nobody figured out how to crack their piracy prevention mechanisms. Nintendo have been the only ones to truely profit from this generation of gaming and for that reason alone will live to fight another day.
I was relieved to watch the E3 video with reggie and the new Zelda.. Nintendo *NEEDED* the new 'adult' look to survive into the future and at E3 they proved (to me atleast) that they were steering the corporation into a new era. Reggie did an amazing job of shocking the gamers into how series Nintendo were about this; and to back it up he showed game after game that the audience had been waiting for. (Zelda! Zelda! Zelda!)
Remember his speech regarding how much Nintendo had innovated the console market? The Nintendo DS is that same innovation... It might not be the most advanced thing in the world but *ATLEAST* Nintendo is willing to take the risk of bringing out something new and not just churning out the same old blood fest, high polygon, particle systems that the gaming community is so used to. Donkey Konga I find a bit silly (like the PS dance mats) but again its innovating the market and I cant grudge them for that.
The next generation will be very interesting for me to see what happens.. Will Sony still rock the arena? Will Microsoft sell a system they can actually profit from? Will the younger audience appreciate Nintendo one more?
I feel the reason the GBA has sold so well is because it cant rely on graphics to push the games... which is ALSO why the older generation of gamers are the ones that play them the most...
Dont get me wrong, I loved the GTA series... I plan on playing Doom 3 one way or another (But it aint worth my money) I just value the gameplay and the 2D artists far more these days than the adult rating and the polygon count.
I personally wish Nintendo (like ALL current game publishers) would stop selling updated games from the past... Zelda on the GBA is an amazing game, but I completed it 7 times on the SNES, why do I want to do it again? The same with the Super Mario s
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you make some really good points there PainKiller
Your right... I am stuck in the middle but the more clones of clones I see comming out the more I miss the variety of the past.
Being such a big zelda fan... I wasnt amused to see the same game comming out for the GBA.....
I also used to love the snes version of MarioKart... After completing all the new levels on the GBA.. playing it back mirror THEN unlocking the same ones I used to play on my snes was great... why didnt they do that for Zelda? If they created a new plot, a few extra areas (instead of 1 new dungeon) but used the existing graphics sets/engine the game would have been a gem in my eyes....
As an older gamer I have no use for the 4-player option, its hard enough finding a fellow GBA owner nevermind 4 of them!
But like you missed a lot of the snes titles I did with the genesis/megadrive.. although I played a lot of them emulated, there was never a game that really stuck out that I have plans on going back to.. sure it was a nice change...
As you say though, a lot of it is simply marketing and street cred.. I've seen a lot of bad comments regarding Reggie but I honestly believe he'll help to put Nintendo back into the christmas lists for younger players atleast. I only wish they had done this for the N64 and that they havent left it too late. (half my enthusiasm in this is that I really dont want Nintendo to be swallowed up by bad decision making like SEGA was)
I realise what you say about if I dont want it don't buy it, I never bought the GBA zelda... but I cant stop feeling that I (and many others) would have if they'd put more effort into it. And that has to be another good thing for Nintendo..
I've never been a big Pole Position fan heh, last racing games I played on mame would have been Continental Circus/Circuits or the ChaseHQ series... no hardware acceleration... no polygons... just damn well drawn large 2D sprites.... The Amiga/consoles of the time just couldnt do those games justice on the home ports.
My question is... why are the kids playing 'mature' games in the first place? Blame the game? Blame irresponsible parents?
Maybe if everybody played by the rules Nintendo would have a more level playing field.
No I wouldnt stop my kids watching films above certain ratings or playing Doom 3 or whatever... but I'd say it was the parents that needed their heads checked rather than banning video games. Alcohol has an age restriction for a reason.. 'too much' can get you in a lot of trouble.. games are no exception at that age, yet parents arent willing to take the same precautions to ensure sensible usage.
Damn I loved RoboCop when I was 12 lol dont understand the Aliens/RoboCop action figures you can buy now if the majority of companies aren't illegaly aiming adult content at children...
damn my typos lol..
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I think you could almost argue that it's more the inability of children these days to understand what true gameplay really is.
The games we grew up with on the SNES and in the arcades are totally different from the ones the kids are growing up with now. Too much emphasis is on the graphics (DOOM3 perfect example) and the graphics are the only thing selling most of these games.
Most kids now, don't have the attention spam to complete the 96+ levels of Mario and have more money to spend on new games every fortnight than to actually complete the games they already have.
I remember the playground fights between the nintendo and megadrive/genesis fanboys... I always felt that although Nintendo paid more attention to the small details in games, SEGA sold most of theirs simply because they were adult orientated. It pissed me off that Mortal Kombat on the SNES had grey blood... because Nintendo refused to unleash the 'realism' to their followers.
Being a huge Zelda fam, I was very disappointed to see the kiddy style cell shading in The Wind Waker... but it didnt stop me appreciating the time spent creating what I began to realise was a masterpiece in itself. Nintendo started targetting the children... and not realising that times have changed since my schoolroom arguments. Nintendo used to own the kids market and they've just recently realised that is not the case anymore.
With Doom 3 I can understand that ID's game is more a technology preview than anything else (to sell the engine rather than the game itself) I respect that. I also respect the GTA series of games and remember that when they almost banned the original GTA -- I wanted it more !!
Too many games now are selling for their adult nature and realism alone with little attention paid to "will they go back once its completed?"
Nintendo were VERY lucky this time around that nobody figured out how to crack their piracy prevention mechanisms. Nintendo have been the only ones to truely profit from this generation of gaming and for that reason alone will live to fight another day.
I was relieved to watch the E3 video with reggie and the new Zelda.. Nintendo *NEEDED* the new 'adult' look to survive into the future and at E3 they proved (to me atleast) that they were steering the corporation into a new era. Reggie did an amazing job of shocking the gamers into how series Nintendo were about this; and to back it up he showed game after game that the audience had been waiting for. (Zelda! Zelda! Zelda!)
Remember his speech regarding how much Nintendo had innovated the console market? The Nintendo DS is that same innovation... It might not be the most advanced thing in the world but *ATLEAST* Nintendo is willing to take the risk of bringing out something new and not just churning out the same old blood fest, high polygon, particle systems that the gaming community is so used to. Donkey Konga I find a bit silly (like the PS dance mats) but again its innovating the market and I cant grudge them for that.
The next generation will be very interesting for me to see what happens.. Will Sony still rock the arena? Will Microsoft sell a system they can actually profit from? Will the younger audience appreciate Nintendo one more?
I feel the reason the GBA has sold so well is because it cant rely on graphics to push the games... which is ALSO why the older generation of gamers are the ones that play them the most...
Dont get me wrong, I loved the GTA series... I plan on playing Doom 3 one way or another (But it aint worth my money) I just value the gameplay and the 2D artists far more these days than the adult rating and the polygon count.
I personally wish Nintendo (like ALL current game publishers) would stop selling updated games from the past... Zelda on the GBA is an amazing game, but I completed it 7 times on the SNES, why do I want to do it again? The same with the Super Mario s