"You'd probably think I was a narrow-minded bigot, you'd write me off as a lost cause, and you'd go on about your way."
I probably would think that you were a bigot. I admit that not hanging around republicans may make me narrow minded but I don't think it makes me a bigot because there is a significant difference between staying away from gays people and republicans.
Republicanism is a lifestyle choice (so is christianity). People become republicans because they think in a certain way. I don't think that way and historically I have never gotten along with people who think that way. Just as I have never gotten along with fundamentalist of all religions, or people who hate monty python. Gay people OTOH are born gay. I may stay away from certain gay people because they are shallow, assholes, republicans or because they hate monty python but it's not because they are gay.
I guess I don't see bigotry in choosing not to associate with people who don't share my values.
I do agree by and large with your points on hate though. I don't hate republicans I just don't like them and don't want to hang around them. Some people accuse me of hating bush. I don't hate him. I hate what he is doing to this country (and to others). If he was living in texas spending his billions and tending his ranch I'd have no feelings about him whatsoever.
Wow. I only know a few republicans mostly because I have to work with them and they all hate Hillary. I don't mean dislike I mean out and out HATE. They call her Hitlery because I presume whatever they think she has done wrong is the equavalent of killing 6 million jews.
"Much like the parent poster, you apparently do not know "the Enemy" anywhere near as well as you think you do."
You are probably right. I know enough to keep away. I don't hang around with republicans unless I have to. I don't invite them into my house, I don't regard them as friends. Why hang round with people who hate you? Besides like the song says "you can't shake hands with the devil and say your are only kidding".
1) Leviticus does not say that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry. It says homosexuals should be executed. No mention of a trial either I might add.
2) You seem to be saying that the 10 commandments don't apply anymore, is that right?
Technically animals are your property. You don't need their consent. I know there are animal cruelty laws but I suppose somebody could argue having sex with your dog is no more cruel then tying them up in the back yard all day long or taking them to obedience classes.
Mind you I think bestially should be illegal but I just don't think you can make a case with consent. They are just property in the eyes of the law.
"Good grief. Here I am, not even halfway through your trollage, and I'm so revulsed that I can't bring myself to go on."
Why did you write so many words. You could have simply said "no it isn't" and be done with it. That's all you did in the end. Took it one if his points and said "no it isn't" without even bothering to argue his points.
Do you honestly believe that most republicans don't hate Hillary Clinton? I don't think even you believe that.
"7) The public has the right to hear Hillary's cattle trades because they were possibly illegal and it's a federal crime. Bush's "DUI" is not a federal crime, it's a state or even local crime. Bush's DUI may be a bad thing, but Hillary's cattle trade could have been fraud... and not the only case of possible fraud by her and her husband."
I am curious. Is cocaine use illegal under federal or state laws?
Have you been in the military? I have. My experience is that most people are in the military to get away from the little town they grew up in. Second most popular reason is to have money for school. Third is because it was expected of them by their family.
Being a hero is way down there.
I do think the people who signed up AFTER 9/11 probably wanted to be heros though. Too bad they are just being cops instead. Hopefully that will be heroic enough for them.
Why do you only count the civillian work force. You should include the toal work force.
You have failed to account for the growth of the US population. It may be possibile to have a greater number of employed people and still have higher unemployment rates.
Finally you should be more spefic about income growth. It's possible that Bill Gates himself can tilt those averages by increasing his income by 20 billion dollars. If the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer the average would still go up.
Nah. The republicans would call him a tax and spend liberal. They would argue that the govt has no role in that and that it should be up to the private sector to provide high speed internet. rush would call him a communist, Bill Oreilly would call him a socialist, ann coulter would call him a traitor, and david horowitz would call him a terrorist.
It was only up there for a second. It was clearly an accident. Most people who were watching probably missled it (who the hell would watch janet jackson anyway). People tuned in to watch grown men beat the shit out of each other. People tuned in to watch commercials about viagra and horse farts.
This was the biggest stink about nothing in my lifetime.
Kid rock cuts a hole in the American flag, drapes it over himself, grabs his crotch while wearing the flag, and then throws the flag away into the autdience where it's ripped by fans.
But nobody is offended by that are they? Where is Powell on that issue? He is all freaked out about a 2 second accidental tit shot.
It's not black and white. There are other possiblities.
1) He is not dumb. He plays dumb because the public likes it better. By playing dumb people forgive his pathalogical lying.
2) He is dumb but the people around him are smart and evil. They are able to isolate him to sufficient degree and manipulate him to achieve their own ends. He is merely a figurehead for the cheney-rumsfeld-perle-wolfowitz cabal.
3) He is not as dumb as people think he is AND he is more manipulative then people think.
Most soldiers are war criminals. In combat you are bound to kill civillians and to drop bombs on cities. sometimes you kill civillians by accident, sometimes you kill them on purpose because you don't want to risk your fellow soldiers lives. Either way it's illegal.
If you finagle your way out of combat by enlisting in the guard and taking a few months off even then then you are not a war criminal.
have you checked out the items for sale on ebay that were taken from iraq? That's called looting. It's illegal. The soldiers selling those items should be arrested but it won't happen.
The real war criminals are people like eisonhower, kennedy, kissinger, nixon and Bush. People in positions of power who pursue war and destruction on flimsy reasons and faulty thinking. They put the soldier between a rock and a hard place and force them commit acts of atrocities.
Although I pretty much agree with what you say I want to add this the conversation.
In the end when choosing a programming language the programmer asks themselves a few questions. Namely.
1) How does this programming language make me more pructive. How hard or easy is it attach to a database, pull some records out and display them in a GUI. How hard is it to create a simple server and client. How much effort does it take to express my ideas into a product.?
2) How does my program perform once it's done? Is it fast? Is it a memory hog? Is it huge?
3) Can I be paid to work in this language?
4) If I was being paid to debug somebody elses code would I hate my job? What if I was being asked to extend it?
The answers to these questions are sometimes suprising. For example take question 1. the answer has less to do with the language and more to do with the library and the community. Take perl for example. Using CPAN somebody who is brand new to Perl can implement a pre-forking server in just a few lines of code. It's amazingly simple. Why? It's not because perl has prototypes or catagories or closures or clean syntax it's because it has a built in mechanism for sharing code. It has a worldwide searchable database of community donated code that is robust and tested. It has a built in mechanism for installing CPAN modules.
If you held a gun to my head and said you have one hour to write a jabber proxy that logs all messages to a database I would choose perl. Not because I like perl better then anything else but because I may actually be able to do it in an hour using perl.
Language designers should really think about that. The first item on their list should be.
"this is how you search for a module from a centralized (or distributed) repository and install it".
I have used python (who hasn't by now). I like it OK. For me Ruby is more fun although I can't probably point to one thing and say "this is why".
I just don't see python as some deep and meaningful language like list seems to be. People who like python don't speak of it in the same way as lisp programmers though.
Every week or so I run into a new language, the first thing I do is look at some spample code on their web site and see if it makes sense to me. I try to imagine spending 8 hours a day writing code that looks like that.
I have looked at lisp with the same sort of admittedly shallow perspective and decided that I could not see myself writing lisp all day.
Having said that I also recognize that the smarted people I know have all used lisp and have liked it quite a bit even though none of them use it now for anything.
My question to you is this. Is there a dialect of lisp that is syntacticly cleaner (yes I mean without all those parens).
Look what happened to those kind of CIOs with the MS select license. MS promised them something on the roadmap and then pushed back the release till the select license expired. Now those CIOs are totally fucked because they paid for something they thought they were going to get but wont.
In you scenario above the CIO could have simply said "there is 5000.00 for the first person to deliver us feature Y" and they would have gotten it in a week.
If the plan is to eventually migrate people off of it then it might be OK to spend the money.
I can see how you might want to migrate them to openoffice and evolution on the native linux desktop first and then gradually replace other items with native apps till the need for TS goes away.
If you feel that way then you should bite the bullet and get a Mac. Sure it costs a little more then a PC with linux on it but hey it "just works". Install the macosx server and imap is built in. So is LDAP, SMTP, Mysql, Jboss, Tomcat, Apache and php AND they are all kerbarized and integrated together.
You can get an older G4 xserve for a good price these days.
These are not the droids you are looking for. You are safe and sound. There is nothing to worry about. Go back to sleep, everything will be fine in the morning. Your govt loves you.
I know so because Elias Isarael told me. Of all the people in the world he should know most about these things.
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Given a choice americans will always vote for the younger candidate and the dumber candidate.
"You'd probably think I was a narrow-minded bigot, you'd write me off as a lost cause, and you'd go on about your way."
I probably would think that you were a bigot. I admit that not hanging around republicans may make me narrow minded but I don't think it makes me a bigot because there is a significant difference between staying away from gays people and republicans.
Republicanism is a lifestyle choice (so is christianity). People become republicans because they think in a certain way. I don't think that way and historically I have never gotten along with people who think that way. Just as I have never gotten along with fundamentalist of all religions, or people who hate monty python. Gay people OTOH are born gay. I may stay away from certain gay people because they are shallow, assholes, republicans or because they hate monty python but it's not because they are gay.
I guess I don't see bigotry in choosing not to associate with people who don't share my values.
I do agree by and large with your points on hate though. I don't hate republicans I just don't like them and don't want to hang around them. Some people accuse me of hating bush. I don't hate him. I hate what he is doing to this country (and to others). If he was living in texas spending his billions and tending his ranch I'd have no feelings about him whatsoever.
"Not one. Zilch. Nada. Zero."
Wow. I only know a few republicans mostly because I have to work with them and they all hate Hillary. I don't mean dislike I mean out and out HATE. They call her Hitlery because I presume whatever they think she has done wrong is the equavalent of killing 6 million jews.
"Much like the parent poster, you apparently do not know "the Enemy" anywhere near as well as you think you do."
You are probably right. I know enough to keep away. I don't hang around with republicans unless I have to. I don't invite them into my house, I don't regard them as friends. Why hang round with people who hate you? Besides like the song says "you can't shake hands with the devil and say your are only kidding".
Two points.
1) Leviticus does not say that homosexuals should not be allowed to marry. It says homosexuals should be executed. No mention of a trial either I might add.
2) You seem to be saying that the 10 commandments don't apply anymore, is that right?
Technically animals are your property. You don't need their consent. I know there are animal cruelty laws but I suppose somebody could argue having sex with your dog is no more cruel then tying them up in the back yard all day long or taking them to obedience classes.
Mind you I think bestially should be illegal but I just don't think you can make a case with consent. They are just property in the eyes of the law.
"Good grief. Here I am, not even halfway through your trollage, and I'm so revulsed that I can't bring myself to go on."
Why did you write so many words. You could have simply said "no it isn't" and be done with it. That's all you did in the end. Took it one if his points and said "no it isn't" without even bothering to argue his points.
Do you honestly believe that most republicans don't hate Hillary Clinton? I don't think even you believe that.
Yea. It's best to ignore evidence that does not fit your world view.
"7) The public has the right to hear Hillary's cattle trades because they were possibly illegal and it's a federal crime. Bush's "DUI" is not a federal crime, it's a state or even local crime. Bush's DUI may be a bad thing, but Hillary's cattle trade could have been fraud... and not the only case of possible fraud by her and her husband."
I am curious. Is cocaine use illegal under federal or state laws?
Have you been in the military? I have. My experience is that most people are in the military to get away from the little town they grew up in. Second most popular reason is to have money for school. Third is because it was expected of them by their family.
Being a hero is way down there.
I do think the people who signed up AFTER 9/11 probably wanted to be heros though. Too bad they are just being cops instead. Hopefully that will be heroic enough for them.
three things.
Why do you only count the civillian work force. You should include the toal work force.
You have failed to account for the growth of the US population. It may be possibile to have a greater number of employed people and still have higher unemployment rates.
Finally you should be more spefic about income growth. It's possible that Bill Gates himself can tilt those averages by increasing his income by 20 billion dollars. If the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer the average would still go up.
Nah. The republicans would call him a tax and spend liberal. They would argue that the govt has no role in that and that it should be up to the private sector to provide high speed internet. rush would call him a communist, Bill Oreilly would call him a socialist, ann coulter would call him a traitor, and david horowitz would call him a terrorist.
It's the job of govt to get itself re-elected. All else is just a side effect. Sad but true.
It was only up there for a second.
It was clearly an accident.
Most people who were watching probably missled it (who the hell would watch janet jackson anyway).
People tuned in to watch grown men beat the shit out of each other.
People tuned in to watch commercials about viagra and horse farts.
This was the biggest stink about nothing in my lifetime.
Kid rock cuts a hole in the American flag, drapes it over himself, grabs his crotch while wearing the flag, and then throws the flag away into the autdience where it's ripped by fans.
But nobody is offended by that are they? Where is Powell on that issue? He is all freaked out about a 2 second accidental tit shot.
Disgusting.
It's not black and white. There are other possiblities.
1) He is not dumb. He plays dumb because the public likes it better. By playing dumb people forgive his pathalogical lying.
2) He is dumb but the people around him are smart and evil. They are able to isolate him to sufficient degree and manipulate him to achieve their own ends. He is merely a figurehead for the cheney-rumsfeld-perle-wolfowitz cabal.
3) He is not as dumb as people think he is AND he is more manipulative then people think.
Personally I'd vote for 2.
Time for words is over. You said to come and get you and I will. You were a marine, you probably have a gun. I'd suggest you start carrying it.
Isn't javascript prototype based? It's ironic that one of most widely used languages is prototype based and most people consider it a "toy" language.
Most soldiers are war criminals. In combat you are bound to kill civillians and to drop bombs on cities. sometimes you kill civillians by accident, sometimes you kill them on purpose because you don't want to risk your fellow soldiers lives. Either way it's illegal.
If you finagle your way out of combat by enlisting in the guard and taking a few months off even then then you are not a war criminal.
have you checked out the items for sale on ebay that were taken from iraq? That's called looting. It's illegal. The soldiers selling those items should be arrested but it won't happen.
The real war criminals are people like eisonhower, kennedy, kissinger, nixon and Bush. People in positions of power who pursue war and destruction on flimsy reasons and faulty thinking. They put the soldier between a rock and a hard place and force them commit acts of atrocities.
Although I pretty much agree with what you say I want to add this the conversation.
In the end when choosing a programming language the programmer asks themselves a few questions. Namely.
1) How does this programming language make me more pructive. How hard or easy is it attach to a database, pull some records out and display them in a GUI. How hard is it to create a simple server and client. How much effort does it take to express my ideas into a product.?
2) How does my program perform once it's done? Is it fast? Is it a memory hog? Is it huge?
3) Can I be paid to work in this language?
4) If I was being paid to debug somebody elses code would I hate my job? What if I was being asked to extend it?
The answers to these questions are sometimes suprising. For example take question 1. the answer has less to do with the language and more to do with the library and the community. Take perl for example. Using CPAN somebody who is brand new to Perl can implement a pre-forking server in just a few lines of code. It's amazingly simple. Why? It's not because perl has prototypes or catagories or closures or clean syntax it's because it has a built in mechanism for sharing code. It has a worldwide searchable database of community donated code that is robust and tested. It has a built in mechanism for installing CPAN modules.
If you held a gun to my head and said you have one hour to write a jabber proxy that logs all messages to a database I would choose perl. Not because I like perl better then anything else but because I may actually be able to do it in an hour using perl.
Language designers should really think about that. The first item on their list should be.
"this is how you search for a module from a centralized (or distributed) repository and install it".
Anything after that is gravy.
I have used python (who hasn't by now). I like it OK. For me Ruby is more fun although I can't probably point to one thing and say "this is why".
I just don't see python as some deep and meaningful language like list seems to be. People who like python don't speak of it in the same way as lisp programmers though.
Every week or so I run into a new language, the first thing I do is look at some spample code on their web site and see if it makes sense to me. I try to imagine spending 8 hours a day writing code that looks like that.
I have looked at lisp with the same sort of admittedly shallow perspective and decided that I could not see myself writing lisp all day.
Having said that I also recognize that the smarted people I know have all used lisp and have liked it quite a bit even though none of them use it now for anything.
My question to you is this. Is there a dialect of lisp that is syntacticly cleaner (yes I mean without all those parens).
Look what happened to those kind of CIOs with the MS select license. MS promised them something on the roadmap and then pushed back the release till the select license expired. Now those CIOs are totally fucked because they paid for something they thought they were going to get but wont.
In you scenario above the CIO could have simply said "there is 5000.00 for the first person to deliver us feature Y" and they would have gotten it in a week.
If the plan is to eventually migrate people off of it then it might be OK to spend the money.
I can see how you might want to migrate them to openoffice and evolution on the native linux desktop first and then gradually replace other items with native apps till the need for TS goes away.
If you feel that way then you should bite the bullet and get a Mac. Sure it costs a little more then a PC with linux on it but hey it "just works". Install the macosx server and imap is built in. So is LDAP, SMTP, Mysql, Jboss, Tomcat, Apache and php AND they are all kerbarized and integrated together.
You can get an older G4 xserve for a good price these days.
Of all the things to pretend you are you choose to pretend you are a Marine. That makes sense in a way.
I would galdly break your arms but I am not going to Vegas to do it.
I'll figure out who you are don't worry. You'll get a chance to back up your words.
These are not the droids you are looking for. You are safe and sound. There is nothing to worry about. Go back to sleep, everything will be fine in the morning. Your govt loves you.
I know so because Elias Isarael told me. Of all the people in the world he should know most about these things.