Who the hell moderated this up? Did anyone of you actually read the article/letter? It may well be that if IDG creates a pattern of failure to defend their trademark that they may loose the right to, HOWEVER, as there is no concievable way that this example constitues infringement this post is just wrong. Unfortunatly I've already posted to this thread so I cant moderate it down, but you can bet if I ever see it in my meta-moderation menu it's getting an UNFAIR.
I dont know what they're so upset about, I dont really know how Kleenex or Xerox feel about it but I think I'd be proud if my product's name came to be the generic term for the type of product. I think it's implicit that xerox becoming a verb reflects well on Xerox's product. But hey that's just me.
I wont go into my opinion of the XXXX for Dummmies line of books. (Hint: They suck A$$)
Get this in all of your heads now -- we Christians are NOT the Borg.
Really? Well then you really ought to stop trying to assimilate everyone. I was raised in a very religious christian family and that was very definitely a common teaching of our church and all of the other churches I was exposed to. I wont go into my reasons for rejecting christianity and religion in general, but for most people that's the issue. You ever stop to ask why most anti-religious sentiment is directed at christians? Well here's a hint, buddhists dont come knocking on your door or accosting you on campus trying to assimilate you.
My point was that Netscape is one of the few real-world apps that runs on the Linux desktop, and it often enough brings the system (end-user experience here, mind you, sure the kernel is chugging away nicely in the background- who cares?) and it introduces the "Windows experience" of instability.
Apparently your experience with netscape has been quite different from mine. When I said I had never seen it take down the system I suppose it's natural to assume that I meant a full blown system crash, but the fact is I have never seen netscape take down the desktop as you put it either. I have had netscape crash many times, but it has never effected any other part of the system. Other than the annoyance of having to manually delete it's lock file and occasionally relocate the page you were viewing, I've had no other related trouble.
As far as commercial grade apps, netscape is the one "commercial" app I use and it's the worst of the lot.
Ok, I might get flamed to hell for this, but... ummm What does powerpoint DO?? I know a lot of the marketing people around here use it, but I've never seen it DO anything? Help me out here?
I think it makes those mind-numbingly dull little presentation/slideshow things that the marketing drones use to send the rest of us catatonic durring their dreadfull meetings. Doubtless they then try to implant subliminal messages in our heads while we're helpless to resist.;)
One of the few user-oriented applications on the Linux desktop that stresses the OS the way many apps on Windows stress the system is Netscape, and it takes down many a Linux system.
I'm really suprised someone hasnt said it already, but while I admit netscape on linux is not the best and crashes often (for me any time I hit a page with embeded midi), I've never before heard a report of netscape taking down a linux system. My experience is that it either dies completely w a bus error most often, or goes into a loop requiring a -9 to get rid of. Perhaps that's what you really meant tho.
On the Mac I know that no matter what program I am in 'command c' is copy and 'command v' is paste, on Winblows I know 'control c' is copy and'control v' is paste. It definately adds to the user friendliness of a platform to have a few simple standards like those.
In my experience most windows users dont even know about ^c and ^v, much less win-E, win-R, F5....
In order to win in the Real World, you have to cater to the masses -- NOT MAKE THE MASSES CATER TO YOU. Granted, many companies have made the public bend over backwards in the past (utilities come to mind real fast), but if it isn't easy to use, do what users need, or doesn't work, then they will move on to something else.
That's a bunch of crap. There's plenty of room in the world for products for intelligent people as well as "the Masses". If you wanna make linux for dummies fine. Branch off and make your own distro. But dont go trying to ruin the other versions with your "improvements". The masses dont need linux, they dont need MSWinblows for that matter either. The fact that most of the public only needs a game console and a webtv device is no reason to try and turn everything into an appliance.
Its a touchy issue, but one cant always control what others send them, so unless they've subscribed their work account to a porn list or somthing, the only thing that should count against them is if they're/sending/ such material from their company account. Needless to say not doing it at all is the ideal choice.
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Who the hell moderated this up? Did anyone of you actually read the article/letter? It may well be that if IDG creates a pattern of failure to defend their trademark that they may loose the right to, HOWEVER, as there is no concievable way that this example constitues infringement this post is just wrong. Unfortunatly I've already posted to this thread so I cant moderate it down, but you can bet if I ever see it in my meta-moderation menu it's getting an UNFAIR.
I dont know what they're so upset about, I dont really know how Kleenex or Xerox feel about it but I think I'd be proud if my product's name came to be the generic term for the type of product. I think it's implicit that xerox becoming a verb reflects well on Xerox's product. But hey that's just me.
I wont go into my opinion of the XXXX for Dummmies line of books. (Hint: They suck A$$)
Get this in all of your heads now -- we Christians are NOT the Borg.
Really? Well then you really ought to stop trying to assimilate everyone. I was raised in a very religious christian family and that was very definitely a common teaching of our church and all of the other churches I was exposed to. I wont go into my reasons for rejecting christianity and religion in general, but for most people that's the issue. You ever stop to ask why most anti-religious sentiment is directed at christians? Well here's a hint, buddhists dont come knocking on your door or accosting you on campus trying to assimilate you.
My point was that Netscape is one of the few real-world apps that runs on the Linux desktop, and it
often enough brings the system (end-user experience here, mind you, sure the kernel is chugging
away nicely in the background- who cares?) and it introduces the "Windows experience" of
instability.
Apparently your experience with netscape has been quite different from mine. When I said I had never seen it take down the system I suppose it's natural to assume that I meant a full blown system crash, but the fact is I have never seen netscape take down the desktop as you put it either. I have had netscape crash many times, but it has never effected any other part of the system. Other than the annoyance of having to manually delete it's lock file and occasionally relocate the page you were viewing, I've had no other related trouble.
As far as commercial grade apps, netscape is the one "commercial" app I use and it's the worst of the lot.
Ok, I might get flamed to hell for this, but... ummm What does powerpoint DO?? I know a lot of the
;)
marketing people around here use it, but I've never seen it DO anything? Help me out here?
I think it makes those mind-numbingly dull little presentation/slideshow things that the marketing drones use to send the rest of us catatonic durring their dreadfull meetings. Doubtless they then try to implant subliminal messages in our heads while we're helpless to resist.
One of the few user-oriented applications on the Linux desktop that stresses the OS the way many
apps on Windows stress the system is Netscape, and it takes down many a Linux system.
I'm really suprised someone hasnt said it already, but while I admit netscape on linux is not the best and crashes often (for me any time I hit a page with embeded midi), I've never before heard a report of netscape taking down a linux system. My experience is that it either dies completely w a bus error most often, or goes into a loop requiring a -9 to get rid of. Perhaps that's what you really meant tho.
On the Mac I know that no matter what program I am in 'command
c' is copy and 'command v' is paste, on Winblows I know 'control c' is copy and'control v' is paste.
It definately adds to the user friendliness of a platform to have a few simple standards like those.
In my experience most windows users dont even know about ^c and ^v, much less win-E, win-R, F5....
In order to win in the Real World, you have to cater to the masses -- NOT MAKE THE MASSES
CATER TO YOU. Granted, many companies have made the public bend over backwards in the past
(utilities come to mind real fast), but if it isn't easy to use, do what users need, or doesn't work, then they
will move on to something else.
That's a bunch of crap. There's plenty of room in the world for products for intelligent people as well as "the Masses". If you wanna make linux for dummies fine. Branch off and make your own distro. But dont go trying to ruin the other versions with your "improvements". The masses dont need linux, they dont need MSWinblows for that matter either. The fact that most of the public only needs a game console and a webtv device is no reason to try and turn everything into an appliance.
Its a touchy issue, but one cant always control what others send them, so unless they've subscribed their work account to a porn list or somthing, the only thing that should count against them is if they're /sending/ such material from their company account.
Needless to say not doing it at all is the ideal choice.
low self esteem and a large ego are not mutually exclusive.